StickSoldier
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Well I mean, Martin shouldn't have a hard time replacing the scoring that Harden was doing, but wasn't Harden excellent at the PnR?
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2012 NBA Preseason |OT| The Rich Get Richer, The Poor Get Rasheed Wallace
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darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
The window for the Thunder was now. Maybe Lamb can be that good a few years from now but they are wasting away their prime opportunity right now to get to that point. They're banking on the unknown with those draft picks, it could end up being great or they could end up being stuck with some middling PFs. Morey got tired of that life.
When is the last time your franchise ever had a player that was of the same calibur as Harden?
Max-deal player doesn't mean hes one of the very best players in the league. Harden is young and around a top 25 player or so right now, and anybody around that range is a max deal player. I'd much rather have Harden than Gordon or Brook Lopez or other fringe guys like that with max deals.
theignoramus
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RBelong2Us
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Seriously, Rockets look so bad.
cuevas. PhD.
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Hey gondo
Dominican Power
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Tell that to LeBron/Wade in regards to how invaluable Chris Bosh is to their championship aspirations. That fucking Perkins contract is what did them in.
Adam Blade
WWKC
All things considered, if you set aside injury history, you'd rather have Harden over Gordon?
I'm sure the Thunder would have continued to negotiate if they weren't given a great offer like this. I am not faulting him for leaving, I am just curious. either way he was going to get a good pay day, i personally think i would prefer to be a star on an elite team for years to come than get $2 mil/yr extra on a team that just traded away a good chunk of talent
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Most players with max contracts aren't worth them. I think Harden is closer to being worth it than dudes like JaVale McGee and Brook Lopez.
Definitely. The record books will forever reflect the 2013 WCF ending in 5 games instead of 6. Oh what could have been.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
No I would rather have Gordon but thats a really large thing to set aside.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
I don't think the Thunder's regular season record will be hurt by this. I think Westbrook and Durant can increase their volume and both guys will like being able to play with the other on the bench a lot (since Westbrook will have to man the second unit now). However, if Westbrook or Durant gets hurt, they're fucked completely and I think they suffer in the playoffs.
I think the Rockets should be around 40-45 wins.
I think the Rockets should be around 40-45 wins.
They're basically the same player. Gordon is a little better shooter while Harden is better off the pick n roll. Point is, if people value Gordon so high, they should do the same for Harden.
Red Blaster
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Thunder are definitely not winning a title this year, not with Kevin Martin being a net negative and Lamb not knowing how to contribute to wins. I dunno, I think their hands are tied unless Lamb gets really good really quick.
theignoramus
Member
what? Presti did this because the owners didnt wanna pay luxury tax for a championship calibre team. blame Clay Bennett
MetalFearSolid
Banned
so does Harden get booed when he returns to face OKC...yes or no?
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
StickSoldier
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I love reading the tweets from NBA players about this, they're all just as shocked as us.
Ninja Scooter
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part of it im sure is pride (why should I take a pay cut but Serge Fuckign Ibaka doesn't?) and the other part is, yeah to you and I, what's another $2 million when you are making $13, but I'm sure all these stories of players going broke runs through these guys' heads. On top of that, most of these athletes are going to be done earning money, maybe for the rest of their lives, in their mid 30s. At that point an extra $8-10 million could be a huge deal to them.
Im on the fucking floor right now.... They offered homey the 52 or whatever, then shipped his bearded ass out when he stuttered. Fucking hilarious.
I like dude as a player, but I really do feel like a great deal of his effectiveness came from the team as a whole and role he played. A puzzle piece if you will, I dont think he is guaranteed to be some amazing player anywhere he goes, so watching him will be interesting.
Seriously though, a breath away from a ring with this core group, and they just pulled the trigger and shipped him out, holy shit. Cant go ghost in the finals homey... fuck around and find yourself calling U-Haul.
I like dude as a player, but I really do feel like a great deal of his effectiveness came from the team as a whole and role he played. A puzzle piece if you will, I dont think he is guaranteed to be some amazing player anywhere he goes, so watching him will be interesting.
Seriously though, a breath away from a ring with this core group, and they just pulled the trigger and shipped him out, holy shit. Cant go ghost in the finals homey... fuck around and find yourself calling U-Haul.
StickSoldier
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Shouldn't, Oklahoma is good people.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
How is Maynor's rehab coming along?
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I like the move by the Thunder. Yeah their window is close but Kevin Martin is a decent SG and he will likely take that deal. If not they got 3 first rounders next year to use to make further moves as needed.
Colonel Nasty
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Yes!!!
Lin / Douglas
Harden / Delfino
Parsons / White
PPatt / Jones
Asik / DMo
Give us that 8 seed!
Lin / Douglas
Harden / Delfino
Parsons / White
PPatt / Jones
Asik / DMo
Give us that 8 seed!
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Also in Harden's case theres probably another layer of pride to it. In OKC he's the sixth man and the third cog in the wheel. He probably thinks hes a franchise player, regardless if he is or not, and wants to get the chance to prove himself.
And yeah the money was a huge factor too. Also no chance in hell OKC fans boo the guy, nor should they.
On a side note this deal fucking depresses me because the Thunder still got a shitload more for Harden than the Magic got for Dwight. Like its not even funny.
And yeah the money was a huge factor too. Also no chance in hell OKC fans boo the guy, nor should they.
On a side note this deal fucking depresses me because the Thunder still got a shitload more for Harden than the Magic got for Dwight. Like its not even funny.
But at the same time they make more money in that span than any of us will make in a lifetime. I'm sure it is a bit about pride, but I don't see Harden as a franchise player. He is a damn good player, but not a max player. Unfortunately other teams make bad decisions(even his own team made some questionable signings) and that basically entitles him to a max contract. compared to lopez, he deserves the max.
lol...The Thunder aren't going to be offering that to Martin.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Wow. Did not see this coming. OKC is not the juggernaut they once were now...
I appreciate the sympathy.
I don't even know what to think. I'm still processing.
We honestly got a lot in return, but he was special on this team.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Kevin Martin is:
-A ballstopper
-Just about the worst perimeter defender in the NBA
-Made of glass
-Sucked last year after all of his foul drawing moves were banned
He is not going to do good things for the Thunder.
-A ballstopper
-Just about the worst perimeter defender in the NBA
-Made of glass
-Sucked last year after all of his foul drawing moves were banned
He is not going to do good things for the Thunder.
StickSoldier
Member
I just wonder what kind of impact it'll have on KD and RW.... Weren't they all pretty fuckin close?
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Is Maynor even the backup PG at this point? Hasn't Brooks been talking up Reggie Jackson? I find that hard to believe.
Also fucking LOL at people acting like Kevin Martin is good now. I see that effect happen all the time in baseball, where a "smart" team makes a move and suddenly a shit player is considered underrated and really good because hey that smart team wouldn't have made that move if the guy didn't suck. It's something I rarely see in basketball, other than Lakers fans hyping up Chris Duhon or some bizarre shit like that.
Also fucking LOL at people acting like Kevin Martin is good now. I see that effect happen all the time in baseball, where a "smart" team makes a move and suddenly a shit player is considered underrated and really good because hey that smart team wouldn't have made that move if the guy didn't suck. It's something I rarely see in basketball, other than Lakers fans hyping up Chris Duhon or some bizarre shit like that.
So...how long you been a Rockets fan now? PEACE.
Ninja Scooter
Member
True but they are going to be used to a higher level of living. Once a guy retires he's not going to stop living in a super nice, super expensive neighborhood, he's not going to trade in his Bently for a ford Focus. Listen, I'm not saying it's not crazy money that most of us will never understand, I'm just saying put it in perspective, the Thunder were asking him to take a what? 20%? 25% pay cut just to be a part of a winning organization? When none of his co-workers were asked to do that. And when other companies are more than willing to offer him more money?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Martin is actually individually efficient...But he takes forever to decide on what he wants to do and kills the rest of his teammates' efficiency because of that though.
Houston has more talent.
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