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What did Shaq say this time?

NBA Open Court on NBA TV last night. He spent basically 20 minutes on how Howard wasn't dominate while everyone else was trying to find out why Shaq was shitting all over Howard. It spanned over 2 segments.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

First TWolves preseason tilt tonight. I'll be sure to look at the box score after and draw lots of conclusions.

 

[iamshadowlark]

or because Jordan was a smarter basketball player. Kobe was a hell of an athlete himself, he just jacked up a shot whenever, even when he was playing with the most dominant big of the last 15 years.

Yeah, this discussion made me dive into guys like AI's and Kobe's career sheets and man were they some chuckers. Look at a guy like Melo, who most consider a better scorer than the likes of lebron. He rarely if ever finishes with a higher PPG than Lebron.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Sactown Royalty ‏@sactownroyalty
Kings vs. Suns: Tyreke Evans to reportedly start at small forward http://sbn.to/OTnFA4

HERE'S TO NOT LEARNING A DAMN FUCKING THING!

WOOOOOOOOO

 

[Rodeo Clown]

HERE'S TO NOT LEARNING A DAMN FUCKING THING!

WOOOOOOOOO

Thomas, Thornton, Evans, Thompson, Cousins.

That lineup is hilarious.

 

[CommonSense]

He is silly.. but LBJ is not a better scorer than Kobe.

He is a better basketball player imo.. but not a better scorer or even close

Oh please, if he desired he could drive the lane at will and drop 50 game. He just isn't mentally built that way. The only three players I have ever personally seen that could not be guarded when they activated beast mode are James, Jordan, and Prime Shaq.

 

[VPhys]

Nba open court was classic last night. Shaquille is so bitter LOL.

 

[Blackace]

Oh please, if he desired he could drive the lane at will and drop 50 game. He just isn't mentally built that way. The only three players I have ever personally seen that could not be guarded when they activated beast mode are James, Jordan, and Prime Shaq.

He has dropped 50 8 times, which is impressive.. but still not a better scorer than younger Kobe..

It's like saying Magic could have scored 30 a game if he wanted.. but it's not what happened..


Personally I think LBJ is the better basketball and Kobe is an amazing basketball player..

but should have, could have, would have doesn't count for much..

 

[theignoramus]

man, I totally forgot Kirk Hinrich came into the league a lightning fast dude. his 3/4 sprint time was nuts.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Is the Thudner a joke about Westbrook's shooting?

 

[KingGondo]

Is the Thudner a joke about Westbrook's shooting?

I'm sure they'll look better IRL, but we already have such tame uniforms. It would have been nice to see some bright colors.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

I'm sure they'll look better IRL, but we already have such tame uniforms. It would have been nice to see some bright colors.

No, I mean the spelling. Are they "THUD"ner for a reason?

 

[Blackace]

Is the Thudner a joke about Westbrook's shooting?

Should have been Dudnder for KD's movie

 

[KingGondo]

No, I mean the spelling. Are they "THUD"ner for a reason?

I know what you were talking about. I assume the actual unis won't have that typo.

 

[Blackace]

I know what you were talking about. I assume the actual unis won't have that typo.

 

[KingGondo]

Nope, the curse was lifted!

 

[Boombloxer]

Oh please, if he desired he could drive the lane at will and drop 50 game. He just isn't mentally built that way. The only three players I have ever personally seen that could not be guarded when they activated beast mode are James, Jordan, and Prime Shaq.

Seen as in seen live?

Otherwise that's a pretty short list with some big ass omissions: Kobe, TD, Prime T-Mac...

NBA Open Court on NBA TV last night. He spent basically 20 minutes on how Howard wasn't dominate while everyone else was trying to find out why Shaq was shitting all over Howard. It spanned over 2 segments.

Sorry I missed this.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Should have been Dudnder for KD's movie

Durant had a movie?

 

[Nori Chan]

Nope, the curse was lifted!

After the curse was in full effect

 

[Blackace]

Durant had a movie?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2041488/

 

[Jarlaxle]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2041488/

wow.....I'm going to have to check this out.

 

[Fox318]

wow.....I'm going to have to check this out.

He is working his way up to get ready for Space Jam 2.

 

[KingGondo]

I've heard Thunderstruck wasn't awful for a movie targeted toward kids in the 8-10 year-old range.

And I stand by my assessment that a Space Jam 2 with KD and Bron would make gazillions.

 

[StickSoldier]

I've heard Thunderstruck wasn't awful for a movie targeted toward kids in the 8-10 year-old range.

And I stand by my assessment that a Space Jam 2 with KD and Bron would make gazillions.

Dude, I would love KD and Bron if they somehow helped get a sequel. Space Jam is my favorite movie of all time.

 

[Smokey]

Gondo I am not going to be able to watch the preseason game tonight because of this new dumb network that is airing Rocket games. Of course DirecTv doesn't carry it.

I will be relying on you to tell me how bad the Rockets look.

 

[KingGondo]

Gondo I am not going to be able to watch the preseason game tonight because of this new dumb network that is airing Rocket games. Of course DirecTv doesn't carry it.

I will be relying on you to tell me how bad the Rockets look.

Not on TV here either.

Meh, I probably wouldn't watch it anyways. Aldrich and Daequan Cook are rumored to be starting.

Curious to see how PJ3 looks though.

 

[Fox318]

I've heard Thunderstruck wasn't awful for a movie targeted toward kids in the 8-10 year-old range.

And I stand by my assessment that a Space Jam 2 with KD and Bron would make gazillions.

Monstars get all of the skills of Harden, CP3, Manu, Griffin, Scola, and Gasol.

Flopping ahoy.

 

[Vahagn]

or because Jordan was a smarter basketball player. Kobe was a hell of an athlete himself, he just jacked up a shot whenever, even when he was playing with the most dominant big of the last 15 years.

Jordan was smarter because he never played with Shaq. Phenomenal Logic there buddy.


Lakers got to the Finals 4 times in 5 years when Shaq played with Kobe despite not having a consistent 3rd player that was All Star Caliber, and nothing close to HOF worthy during that stretch.


Now think for a second on all the great perimeter players Shaq has played with (Penny, Wade, Bron, Big 3 Celtics, Nash/Amare). Did young Kobe take some ill-advised shots, sure? But this revisionist history like young Kobe wasn't mentally ahead of the game, and had a higher bball IQ than most anyone else playing at his level, and that the Kobe/Shaq duo wasn't successful is just absurd.


Also, Kobe is and was a hell of an athlete. But no one would ever say Kobe was or is the athlete Lebron is. And in the same way, Kobe wasn't the athlete Jordan was. Jordan had a 12 inch higher vertical, stronger, faster, bigger hands, etc.

 

[SUPREME1]

Love all the "could have" or "would have" arguments lmao!


I'll play that game...

Kobe [would've/could've] had a higher rate of assists if he decided to pass more.

Lmao!


Kobe [would've/could've] had a higher fg% if he gave any fucks and decided not to chuck whenever he got the urge.

This is fun!


Seriously though, Blackace made some good points and summed up how I feel about LeBron as a scorer. I never said LeBron couldn't score, never even said he wasn't capable of putting up a lot of points on any given night. I said he couldn't reach those extreme highs because his limitations keep him from doing so. You can't reach 60/70/80 on bulldozing and finishing at the rim alone.

It's gotta be a combination of attacking the rim, while catching fire from the perimeter. And that is what I was arguing... that LeBron, even while having improved immensely from the perimeter, is just too mechanical and not enough of a shooter to put it all together for an explosion that would net him those extreme highs. His offensive repertoire is limited.

 

[DominoKid]

I dunno, I think swag mode Lebron could go for 60 if stopped giving a fuck about passing for the game.
Don't think he could get 70 though.

 

[CherryWoodFuton]

I dunno, I think swag mode Lebron could go for 60 if stopped giving a fuck about passing for the game.
Don't think he could get 70 though.

I'd rather him do this though

 

[theignoramus]

Jordan was smarter because he never played with Shaq. Phenomenal Logic there buddy.

I'm just sayin, in 03-04, the guy was playing with the Glove and Shaq and shot 43 percent for the year. 39 year old Wizards Jeffrey shot better from the perimeter,lol.

 

[iamshadowlark]

I'd rather him do this though

Exactly.

This is really a dumb argument. Kobe played on a shit team in his prime and shot 20-25+ shots to get big individual numbers at mediocre percentages. Big whoop. And I love Kobe.

Lebron, who generally doesn't chuck as much, still can fill it up and if he continues at the same pace will be top-5 on the all time PPG list and probably up there in points total. On top of every thing else that he does better.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/223921/Jeremy_Lin_Admits_Knee_Still_Not_100_Percent

Considering he was talking about he was near 100% during last years playoffs... knicks-age we
might of dodged a bullet....

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

No one should want Bron to do what Kobe did in his prime, the same as no one should have been telling MJ to do what Magic was doing in his prime.

They're different players who have differently honed skills.

 

[kevo_huevo]

That's what they should do, but I think Dirk and Cuban are just too loyal to each other.

this. they could make second round at best. but i think they're clinging to the hope that "well in 2011 we won the chip with a bunch of wily veterans that came together, let's try it again."

it kind of made sense to surround dirk with more offensive talent in the center position and to get athletic on the perimeter, but their caliber of players is just not high enough collectively. i think ranking "better" defensively without tyson was a misnomer: nearly everyone played shitty offense in the lockout season, so i expect them to be average on d now.

i'm forever grateful dirk got his ring. it would suck seeing him try to chase a ring elsewhere in the twilight of his career. i think if the mavs never won, they would seriously consider blowing it up and sending dirk on his way.

 

[reilo]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/223921/Jeremy_Lin_Admits_Knee_Still_Not_100_Percent

Considering he was talking about he was near 100% during last years playoffs... knicks-age we
might of dodged a bullet....

You might have dodged a bullet, but the C4 wrapped around Amare's knees and Carmelo's ego has a timer on it that's almost reaching zero.

 

[Dominican Power]

 

[charsace]

Stats don't lie. I hear your my player can develop hotspots in the career mode.

 

[CB3]

Is there a link to that shaq stuff last night?

 

[thekad]

Linadequacy begins tonight.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

You might have dodged a bullet, but the C4 wrapped around Amare's knees and Carmelo's ego has a timer on it that's almost reaching zero.

I dont think Melo's ego has a timer Amares knee's sure but compared to some players of his caliber Melo is actually a pretty chill player.

 

[white dynamite]

You might have dodged a bullet, but the C4 wrapped around Amare's knees and Felton's eggo waffles has a timer on it that's almost reaching zero.

Fixed

 

[Future PhaZe]

I'd rather him do this though

Kobe has 5 rings, whatever it is he's been doing has been enough obviously.

Exactly.

This is really a dumb argument. Kobe played on a shit team in his prime and shot 20-25+ shots to get big individual numbers at mediocre percentages. Big whoop. And I love Kobe.

He took a team that was beyond Bobcats bad to 45 wins in the Western Conference while averaging 35.4 PPG on 45% FG shooting, which is solid for a guard. Saying that's no big deal...that aint some joe scoring 30 ppg on a bad team, those are historic numbers.

I can't wait until we can compare Bron and Kobes careers when its all said and done though. Kobe has a good chance of having 7...in this era, with these athletes...that's just insane. Bron could chip every year from here on out that Wade is healthy though, we'll see.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Kobe has 5 rings, whatever it is he's been doing has been enough obviously.



He took a team that was beyond Bobcats bad to 45 wins in the Western Conference while averaging 35.4 PPG on 45% FG shooting, which is solid for a guard. Saying that's no big deal...that aint some joe scoring 30 ppg on a bad team, those are historic numbers.

I can't wait until we can compare Bron and Kobes careers when its all said and done though. Kobe has a good chance of having 7...in this era, with these athletes...that's just insane. Bron could chip every year from here on out that Wade is healthy though, we'll see.

FUTURE NEWS:

Lebron James officially retires with 3 rings.

 

[SUPREME1]

FUTURE NEWS:

Lebron James officially retires with 3 rings.

Sounds about right.

 

[Black Mamba]

NBA Open Court on NBA TV last night. He spent basically 20 minutes on how Howard wasn't dominate while everyone else was trying to find out why Shaq was shitting all over Howard. It spanned over 2 segments.

Thanks, I'll have to check it out.


I really don't get Shaq's animosity. Not sure why he can't be happy for someone else. I really don't think anyone will remember Dwight as better than Shaq, so why the insecurity?

 

[Emwitus]

Kobe has 5 rings, whatever it is he's been doing has been enough obviously.



He took a team that was beyond Bobcats bad to 45 wins in the Western Conference while averaging 35.4 PPG on 45% FG shooting, which is solid for a guard. Saying that's no big deal...that aint some joe scoring 30 ppg on a bad team, those are historic numbers.

I can't wait until we can compare Bron and Kobes careers when its all said and done though. Kobe has a good chance of having 7...in this era, with these athletes...that's just insane. Bron could chip every year from here on out that Wade is healthy though, we'll see.

So, in this fantasy land, who does durant play?

 

[iamshadowlark]

Kobe has 5 rings, whatever it is he's been doing has been enough obviously.



He took a team that was beyond Bobcats bad to 45 wins in the Western Conference while averaging 35.4 PPG on 45% FG shooting, which is solid for a guard. Saying that's no big deal...that aint some joe scoring 30 ppg on a bad team, those are historic numbers.

I can't wait until we can compare Bron and Kobes careers when its all said and done though. Kobe has a good chance of having 7...in this era, with these athletes...that's just insane. Bron could chip every year from here on out that Wade is healthy though, we'll see.

I don't even want to start on his first three rings. Just let kobe live. Good numbers on a shit team is just that. Dude averaged 27 shots a game. 27. Give lebron 27 shots you don't think he could get 35 per? MJ? KD? Hell give wade 27 and I bet he gets close.

Kobe did his thing but still, perspective. He played in a very special situation that you can't really ignore.

 

[h3ro]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/223921/Jeremy_Lin_Admits_Knee_Still_Not_100_Percent

Considering he was talking about he was near 100% during last years playoffs... knicks-age we
might of dodged a bullet....

Our asian bodies aren't built for this grind.