Red Blaster
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tanking is a skill too
you need a gm who can amass a roster where everyone's strengths are canceled out by some other player's weakness
2013-14 NBA Oct-Nov Season |OT| They can't hide the championship banners Forever
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tanking is a skill too
you need a gm who can amass a roster where everyone's strengths are canceled out by some other player's weakness
It only took MCW 3 games tho.
D'antoni isn't going to tank the season. He wants to prove that he can have a good team without a superstar. What better way to do it. Don't be surprised to see gasol getting traded for some border line star as well. He hates his guts and i'm sure gasol feels the same. Guy is the main dude on the team but he still takes almost 70% of his shots from the outside. It's like a big F U to D'antoni.
Or could it be because some of us are a fan of Harden's game and said from day 1 that it was a terrible trade?
You can check last year's offseason thread if you don't believe me.
The only thing that's surprising that it didn't take him any time to become to best SG while most expected it would take him a couple seasons.
Ninja Scooter
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Those guys' ceilings are role players. Harden is a top 15 guy. I'd take 3 top 15 guys and run the risk of filling out the rest of my roster with crap.
What was so terrible about the Dwight trade? I was saying even before it happened that even if Dwigt walked it'd be a own because we would be rid of Bynum and erase the chance of Jimmy panicking and giving him an extension. If anything the Nash trade is looking far worse than the Dwight one.
Squall ASF
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That's right Philly, keep on winning and forget all about Wiggins.
Any level headed gm would have called that shit. We were getting killed by point guards for years then you go out and sign an almost 40 year old with back problems to pair with an aging core. Pathetic.
I agree with this. Either this happens, or we swing a great trade to add a guy like Horford/LMA as a third piece and keep most of our young talent.
Other than that, I can definitely see him leaving.
Yesssss. We invented bottoming out and returning stronger than ever. Presti's got this.
Adams is useful and better than Kwame right now:
Hnggggg. Put him in the starting lineup already!Daily Thunder said:
Again, only time will tell. Everybody (and I mean EVERYBODY) was shitting on Memphis and Orlando for those trades. Popovich wanted the league to launch an inquiry into the Pau trade because it looked so ridiculous at the time, and Orlando gave up the best C in the league for leftovers from several other teams (one of which ended up being Vucevic).
Same here fellas. 4pm, see you then.
CoffeeJanitor
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I would just like to point out that a lot of people, before he was traded, saw Harden as one of the, if not the, top SGs in the league. People who were suprised that he dominated were not watching,
Future PhaZe
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MorisUkunRasik
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Memphis deserved to be shitted on for helping LA, but they were fighting just for playoff contention and Dwight forced his way out.
OKC was in the Finals and Harden wanted to stay, he was devastated when it went down.
If Dwight wanted to stay, he'd still Be in ORL. If MEM made it to the finals in part by Pau, he'd still be there.
or Nash vs Richardson 2.0
Ninja Scooter
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This is pretty disingenuous comparison for a couple of reasons. For one, nobody disputed that the Magic and Grizzlies SHOULD trade Howard and Gasol respectively, they just took issue with what they got in return. On the other hand, the issue people have with the Harden trade was OKC trading him at all instead of keeping him.
Secondly, the Grizzlies had peaked as an 8 seed and pretty much gotten as far as they could with Pau before blowing it up. Dwight had asked the Magic to trade him and had no intention of resigning, so it was also in their best interest to blow it up. The Thunder were coming off a Finals appearance and had 3 of the top 15-20 players in the world on their team, all under 25 years of age. Those teams could afford to trade their franchise guy for bit pieces and guys that were a few years away, guys like Marc Gasol who they could wait on, because their whole franchise was a few years away. If Adams and Lamb take 2 years to develop into nice players, that's 2 years of KD/Westbrook's prime you just wasted. The Thunder did not need to blow it up. They did not need to panic or rush into a trade. Everyone could see this coming as soon as they gave Perkins and Ibaka the money they did, so Presti should have seen it too. He essentially chose Ibaka over Harden, and I'm sorry, but nobody in their right mind would trade Serge Ibaka for James Harden, even if you include a couple of role players like Adams and Lamb. It was just a bad, lopsided trade done at the wrong time and was the culmination of Presti trying to be smarter than the room, and, worst of all, it never even needed to happen.
Actually I clowned the ibaka extension because its what caused the whole mess for a very limited role player.
Set expectations for harden in terms of salary range. Said okc are either going all in or presti is alot more limited than we thought.
MorisUkunRasik
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But Adams is better than Kwame Brown so far.
The big problem with this was that Dwight hadn't been extended yet, and it was far from a certainty that he would re-sign with little old OKC. Hell, he got traded into a seemingly-dream situation with the Lakers and left there too.
That's a lot to give up for a guy as fickle as Dwight without having an extension in place.
OKC is still a contender even after trading Harden. And the entire point of my original post is that we won't know exactly what OKC got from the Harden trade for at least a few months, and probably longer.Moris said:
It'll be a lot easier to shit on/give credit to the trade with the benefit of hindsight. And until at least the middle of the season, I'm pretty tired of discussing it ad nauseam.
Same applies to Ninja's post above ^^^.
I still expect this team to be right there contending this season assuming we stay healthy, and feel free to shove this post back in my face if I'm wrong.
Two years in his career and he still hasn't played an NBA game and he isn't even on a team. Hell, we had to pay the Sixers to take him
And Hinkie probably only did that as a favor to Morey.
I dont think anyone would be dumb enough to have agreed to this.
Also, I forgot to say gg to Jazz fans for the last game...not! You guys suck. Gordon Hayward worth 13 mil? Looooooool. Dude should get 8 and be happy. Hes not even on our white boi's level.
(that said, I mean no disrespect to diehard and the rest of jazz age, you good peeps, but i hate your team).
Black Mamba
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Felton-Shumpert-Melo-Bargs-Chandler has a defensive rating of 133. lol
Nightstick11
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I don't think so. He was valued about the same as prime-Ginobili, that is to say that nobody actually believed Harden was really a sixth man and wasn't one of the top guards in the league.
The fact that the Thunder shipped him out at the beginning of the season was bizarre. You don't trade a dollar for four quarters, but what the Thunder did was the equivalent of trading a dollar for 10 dimes.
Legitimately lolled.
Nightstick11
Banned
The Lakers are always worth hating. Always. If Aliens wanted to invade Earth, but we could stave it off via winning a basketball game vs. the Alpha Centauri Ant-Eaters, and the Earth's representative team was the Los Angeles Lakers, I'd still find it hard to cheer for the Lakers.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
that pure unmitigated hate ..... is glorious
But the thing is... losing helps them right now, but its hard to actually want them to win.
So its not really worth investing any energy in.
MorisUkunRasik
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So Far Gondo.
The shit will only really hit the fan when Durant leaves. Then the whole saga of the Sonics/Thunder will go down in history like a Greek Tragedy.
It would be even funnier if Wesley Johnson was his successor
By far my biggest regret about the Harden trade is that we created a potential monster and roadblock in our own conference. I still love our team as currently constructed (except for Perk, fuck that guy in his ass).
If we had traded him to Washington or somewhere like that I'd feel way better about the whole thing.
Gucci Messiah
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you love the bench?
It'll be a bitch beating the rockets. Roadblock is an understatement.
Squall ASF
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Yeah this makes it tough to watch. We desperately need to tank for Wiggins/Randle but when I watch, I'm rooting for my team like always and get frustrated with bad play. I can't actively root against my team while the game is going on, I'm not built that way and we shouldn't be. Only after it's over can I talk about the tank. It would be so much easier to just not watch this season accept that's impossible. I've watched since I've had a cognitive thought.
With YNB back it's a competent group.
Not saying it can't get better, but everything makes much more sense when we have YNB as the starting PG.
YNB-Jackson
Thabo-Lamb
KD-PJ3
Ibaka-Collison
Perk-Adams
Hopefully Adams will step into Perk's starting role as the season proceeds.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Spencer Hawes is 4th in PER (30.0) right now and has an ORtg of 136, lol.
Future PhaZe
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Evan Turner is 23, 4, and 4 with a PER of 20.
Yea, Hawes was all up in our ass though.
not having knux right now is a travesty
I'll take a month ban to get knux back
Black Mamba
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He started off hot last year too, I think. Or maybe the year prior.
Philly sure is an enigma.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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They'll probably lose 40 games in a row once Hawes, Turner, and MCW return to their normal (very bad) levels of efficiency and kill the rest of the team's spirit, but it's interesting now I guess.
Future PhaZe
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Anthony Bennett has a negative PER and a .073 TS%.
That's hard to do
That's hard to do
Has anyone ever died on the court in the NBA? He probably shouldn't be playing until they get that medical shit sorted out.
Future PhaZe
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Has anyone with asthma ever gotten significant burn in the NBA?
I know McGee can't seem to ever hit over 25 with any consistency even as an athletic freak. Might just be because he's animal dumb though.
I know McGee can't seem to ever hit over 25 with any consistency even as an athletic freak. Might just be because he's animal dumb though.
