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2013-14 NBA Oct-Nov Season |OT| They can't hide the championship banners Forever
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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The Wizards' bench is getting outscored by around 20 points per 100 possessions while the starters are mostly holding their own with a point differential not much worse than 0, what the fuck.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I knew someone was going to claim a dude jump kicking a player in the face was a flop just because it was cp3..
Herpes Reasons
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its the same core game.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
fucking hell..
He's been everything that Mayo wasn't, so far.
Herpes Reasons
Banned
blackace, now that 2k14 ps4 league is a bust.
join me in informing the definitive 2k14 gaf league on the pc.
iamshadowlark
Banned
That gif doesn't really show the actual contact well.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I am not buying the game again.. bad enough I have to pay to upgrade it next year
iamshadowlark
Banned
You can see the contact very well..
and then this angle there is no debate
Not really, it looks like it stops right before it hits his face.
That other gif is better though.
allen's leg ripples from the contact though...
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
he was shinned in the face..
actually his reaction was quite mellow compared to the flops he really does..
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Yes really
look at the waves from contact like you see in boxing..
he was shinned in the face..
actually his reaction was quite mellow compared to the flops he really does..
I just mean the part where he sells the contact to make sure he gets the call. you're right though, it's not that bad comparatively.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
If I kick you in the face you won't need to sell the contact... because it will happen and your natural reaction will be to recoil from it (unless you are fighting and even then you might react the same)
Xplatformer
Member
Wait, what? ...his ankle/shin area definitively made contact with his face. Well, unless a strong wind made Chris' cheek rise up. What happens after I don't know, but in that gif it's an obvious foul.
Black Mamba
Member
You can see the contact very well..
and then this angle there is no debate
You can even see his face absorb the contact. Unless he can now face flop...although he did sell it well after the fact lol
I think the kick connected.
Not sure it's a flagrant 2.
He faked the pass right before he picked up the dribble, TA has obviously jumped to try and block the pass and has thrown his leg out to try and get at the ball.
Flagrant 1, excessive force, sure. Easy.
Flagrant 2, not going for the ball/intent? hmmm not sure about that.
Not sure it's a flagrant 2.
He faked the pass right before he picked up the dribble, TA has obviously jumped to try and block the pass and has thrown his leg out to try and get at the ball.
Flagrant 1, excessive force, sure. Easy.
Flagrant 2, not going for the ball/intent? hmmm not sure about that.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Shadow also maintains that Lebron's headband has been in its current position since ever.
To be fair, so does lebron
iamshadowlark
Banned
This gif? Naw. CP already has a small head, in this gif its like 25*25 pixels, on a 1080p monitor you can barely even see his head without moving close. And you really can't see past tony's leg.
Not that big a deal because I can see it in the other gif but If people wanna keep going on about it I'll still make my case.
Black Mamba
Member
It was a flagrant 2. It was unnecessary and excessive contact. Intent doesn't necessarily matter.
considering Cp3 wasn't much lower than standing straight up, there is no justification for TA's foot to be that high up. Trying to intercept a pass doesn't bring one's foot to above 4 feet status, let alone nearly 6, ever. And it's hard to argue a kick to the face isn't excessive.
I watched it live, thought he deserved to be kicked out for it. Cp3 is lucky to not have had his nose broken. I don't know if TA intended to do that but his action warranted a flagrant 2 IMO.
As for the rest, no one should be seriously discussing shadow's position on this. Acknowledging it even exists is bad enough.
lawlohwhat
Banned
Easy schedule so far. Chicago and @gstate for 2 of the 3 next games. We'll see how they do then.
iamshadowlark
Banned
What position? That this one gif didn't really show the connection that well? Oh the humanity!!!
Things worth mentioning from todays basketball games:
Wtf Nets, you kind of suck.
OKC has trouble playing consistent ball, and there is no defense. Yea, the nuggs were hot, but cmon, its the nuggets. They all look like they've been eating Dunkin Donuts while sneaking in GTAV time in between mouthfuls and telling Shaw to EAD.
Utah truly has a masterful tank going. Led by the best Tank Commander: Richard Jefferson. There is no better tank commander. I dare you to find one (Bennett doesnt count because hes apparently actually trying).
Finally, Clippers have no identity.
Wtf Nets, you kind of suck.
OKC has trouble playing consistent ball, and there is no defense. Yea, the nuggs were hot, but cmon, its the nuggets. They all look like they've been eating Dunkin Donuts while sneaking in GTAV time in between mouthfuls and telling Shaw to EAD.
Utah truly has a masterful tank going. Led by the best Tank Commander: Richard Jefferson. There is no better tank commander. I dare you to find one (Bennett doesnt count because hes apparently actually trying).
Finally, Clippers have no identity.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
This gif? Naw. CP already has a small head, in this gif its like 25*25 pixels, on a 1080p monitor you can barely even see his head without moving close. And you really can't see past tony's leg.
Not that big a deal because I can see it in the other gif but If people wanna keep going on about it I'll still make my case.
this gif.. yeah.
time for an eye check up..
The un-sportsmanlike part is relevant. Players flare their leg out to block passes all the time. Particularly when a player has indicated they are going to pass, which CP3 did.
It's a relevant / legitimate basketball move. It had no intent to it. Flagrant 1 is all it really deserved. He has only raised his leg, he didn't kick it AT CP3.
Unlucky? Sure. But that's a really weak flagrant 2. There's much worse than that, that doesn't even get called a foul, let alone a flagrant. Poor call.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
first of all, if Richard Jefferson is starting for your team, you aren't tanking.. you are horrible.
And sure they do, I don't really see how you could say that about them. They are bad on D still tho..
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Well the NBA has made it clear they will protect their stars.
And he faked the pass well before Allen lifted his leg.. It was more of a Bruce Bowen move than legit D
Down the stretch of multiple games this year, their offense reverted back into Vinnie ball...With Paul bailing them out. Its basically what Miami looked like their first year together when it came to ball movement, non-existent with Wade and James just overpowering teams by themselves. I have no doubts Doc will have them playing better ball, but right now, they don't know what the fuck they are offensively.
Black Mamba
Member
I can't recall anyone trying to block a pass by bringing their foot up 5 feet in the air. Players stick their legs out, sure, but the foot goes maybe 2 feet up.
What Allen did was completely non-basketball related and put players in harm's way. Not at all legitimate basketball move.
He doesn't have to kick it at CP3. Flagrant 2 doesn't require intent to injure, it can just as easily be an unintentional move that has a high risk of causing injury.
Eh, TA was committed to the move before the ball was in both of CP3's hands.
The NBA should be more worried about how many people are getting poked/scratched in the eye in the post this year. There's been about 5 separate occurrences that I've seen.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
He was in the air off the pass... so sticking the leg out was to stop the drive..
The intent,speak to the unsportsman like portion, an actual part of the definition. The second part about injury is just something you've added on.
And if you haven't seen that before, you should watch more closely.
Eh, this isn't worth that much discussion.
Grizz won again. Go grizz!
Black Mamba
Member
Nobody sticks their foot out at head level. That's an unsportsmanlike move. Nobody ever does that unless their name is Bruce.
Yep. Not to mention unsportsmanlike is only used as the description of "unnecessary and excessive contact", which is the actual definition of flagrant 2 and as justification for the ejection.
Kicking one's leg that high with other players around is illegal even in soccer. I don't know why this is even arguable.
iamshadowlark
Banned
LMAO I got pilot eyes. Its whatever though dude, really not much worth talking about.
People seems to often misconstrue what tanking is. Players don't tank (there some extenuating circumstances) , Management does.
Jazz were tanking when they made the trade for Jefferson and Biedrins and a first rounder, and let every free agent go.
Right now i would say we are a PG and one more good player away from being a pretty good team, as crazy as that sounds.
Dominican Power
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Jabari would fit in just fine.
Gordon0Freeman
Member
According to Peter Vescey, Nash is considering retirement. What a shitty way to go if true
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
actually, deflecting a pass and a player are two different things.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
if you say so.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I almost agree.. one of your youngings have to bear a bit more fruit but you are pretty what Portland was
Excessive is the only thing that separates a F1 from a F2.
i wouldn't have said it was excessive, just entirely unnecessary. It wasn't propelled at CP3, just raised in front. Excessive to me would have been if he actually propelled his foot.
It's no worse than the blocks that go wrong that are charged as F1's.