Refs fucked over Duke at the end of the first game, K didn't go running out on the court. Boeheim knows better. I call it Karma.
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2013-2014 NCAA Men's Basketball |OT|
- Thread starter Grover Cleveland
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Refs fucked over Duke at the end of the first game, K didn't go running out on the court. Boeheim knows better. I call it Karma.
Grover Cleveland
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Rushing the court off of that win would be a million times worse than what Carolina did.
Duke should've just lost that game.
Velcro Fly
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Well if we're going that route, Duke owes the rest of the ACC a ton for all the times teams have gone into Cameron and had the refs clearly against them.
Randolph Freelander
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Yall out-of-conference guys need to understand one thing: Carolina gets all the calls in the ACC. They're still paying homage to Dean Smith 17 years after dude retired. Coach K is still playing catch up.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Yeah, unless its just a blatant, clear as day foul the refs are just willfully interjecting themselves in the game when they do things like that.
That kind of fuckery by refs is why I always have a hard time getting super enthusiastic about basketball- the officiating can be so shady and flimsy.
And Duke has been jobbed in other team's venues and in other games, just look at the FT different in the UNC game. And for all of that, Syracuse was called for 20 fouls vs Duke's 15, 3 of those were late time stopping fouls.
Any time Duke gets jobbed, its cute and funny, any time, the other team gets hosed, its some horrible controversy that undermines the integrity of CBB. People can take that mindset and shove it up their assholes. Its a tired narrative that isn't true when you actually break down the numbers.
djblackice
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As bitter as I am about the calls, horrible offense, and utter disdain for the Cameron crazies, I can say there's a small grin on my face since there will now be plenty of great matchups between the schools in the future.
Better than seeing shitty Georgetown every year.
Better than seeing shitty Georgetown every year.
Velcro Fly
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Should have been a charge on Parker earlier in the half. Consistent calls on those plays would have been much better than giving Duke both calls. I'm well aware of how the ACC functions to pretty much protect Duke/UNC at all costs.
djblackice
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Jibbajabbawockky
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On a different note, being somebody who doesn't usually watch Duke games what was the deal with the camera angle on the broadcast? Was it just me or was it much more of an overhead, slanting down angle than most college basketball games?
Was really irritating and was thinking it might have been because Cameron is a smaller venue?
Right- just make the calls consistent and call the game consistently and that non charge at the end would have been acceptable.
Was really irritating and was thinking it might have been because Cameron is a smaller venue?
Right- just make the calls consistent and call the game consistently and that non charge at the end would have been acceptable.
Randolph Freelander
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Duke beat writer for Raleigh and Charlotte has some early Boeheim thoughts
Every team has gotten gifts at the end of the game from refs at some point. Every single one out there, especially the major programs. Calm down y'all.
I thought what Boeheim did made it way worse, though. Maybe I'm misremembering the time and score, but I don't think they were totally out of it after that call. A long shot maybe, but very possible.
I thought what Boeheim did made it way worse, though. Maybe I'm misremembering the time and score, but I don't think they were totally out of it after that call. A long shot maybe, but very possible.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Good win.
Grover Cleveland
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Jimmy B wildin.
Cuse actually had a chance to win the game/take it to OT still had Boeheim not flipped the fuck out.
K did not do that when Hood was fouled or Bari took a bogus 5th foul back in the Carrier Dome.
Randolph Freelander
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Actually, that's kind of rough for Syracuse. Maryland hasn't played since Tuesday, will be well rested. I think every ACC team either has had or will have a full week at some point between conference games because of the 15 teams. There's just an odd man out.
Duke is having their week off after the next game. They play VT on Tuesday, but then doesn't play until the following Wedneday. Syracuse's week off was in January (Saturday to Saturday, games on 18th and 25th).
djblackice
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Jimmy B wildin.
Cuse actually had a chance to win the game/take it to OT still had Boeheim not flipped the fuck out.
K did not do that when Hood was fouled or Bari took a bogus 5th foul back in the Carrier Dome.
Love that passion. Wouldn't Duke have been given free throws or possession since the call was offensive foul? Doesn't seem like Cuse had a chance to take it to OT or win it at that point since there was only 10.4 on the clock.
Randolph Freelander
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On an offensive, player control foul, it would have just been possession. Syracuse could have forced a turnover or, failing that, fouled. Duke hadn't been making free throws, so going 0-2 or 1-2 would have left it a one possession game.
Grover Cleveland
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Duke would've taken the ball out of bounds on the endline there after the foul. But then you have a chance to steal the ball and even if you have to foul, no one on the court was consistently making FT other than Cook for Duke.
Randolph Freelander
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For the record, Plumlee didn't get much run in the second half because of leg cramps. Laura Keeley had tweeted during the game that he went back to the locker room, now she has tweeted the reason why.
Duke didn't shoot FTs well in this game (this call wouldn't even be an issue if they had) so you figure quick foul, get the rebound...we've seen what Ennis can do. Funny against NCSU, against Duke, I'm kicking the stool out from under my feet.
djblackice
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Ahh possession only, not sure why I thought free throws would have been given. Thanks. Still think Duke would have won, but at least Cuse would have been given the chance to make another miracle happen.
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So, watching the replay on Youtube (was at the game, too far away to see the play well), it looks like Hood is set in front of him with plenty of time before the contact. He raises his chest and arms a bit as Fair goes up but that's all I'm really seeing.
Does the new rule say something about him needing to be there before the player even leaves the ground? I'm not really understanding the outrage now that we have HD replays from multiple angles, but I'm not well versed on the new charge rules.
edit: actually he's set even before Fair leaves the ground. He does a little bunny hop about an inch off the ground straight up and down right as Fair jumps.
Does the new rule say something about him needing to be there before the player even leaves the ground? I'm not really understanding the outrage now that we have HD replays from multiple angles, but I'm not well versed on the new charge rules.
edit: actually he's set even before Fair leaves the ground. He does a little bunny hop about an inch off the ground straight up and down right as Fair jumps.
Randolph Freelander
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The defensive player needs to be set before the offensive player starts his upward motion, of which even gathering the ball is considered part of that act. At game speed, though, it's difficult. Most calls this year have simply been blocks, which is why preseason POTY Josh Hairston can't get into games now.
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Deleted member 12837
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Got it. In that case, I still think it's a charge (edit: oops, originally had "block" here...my bad lol), unless starting your 2 steps is part of an "upward motion" even if the ball is going laterally. By the time he brings it up Rodney was there.
No one cares about a Duke fan's opinion on that I guess though.
For the record, I thought Jabari's take earlier in the half looked like a charge, not a block, but I haven't seen a replay on that yet.
I'm sure you watch every Cameron game quite closely to confirm this undeniable fact, right?
Randolph Freelander
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Boeheim
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With 100% unbiased opinion. I'm sure the 200 SEC basketball fans that would read that post would find it quite laughable.
I see the reply, and I really don't see the controversy. Hood was there when Fair started his move. I've heard people say "but his feet moved" which is true, but he's not shuffling them to slide into position or to draw contact.
Welcome to the ACC Syracuse. You've got a red hot UVA team coming up soon too.
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Deleted member 12837
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Thanks to Twitter, now the charge/block argument doesn't even matter anyway, because Fair was very clearly out of bounds when he caught the ball before making his drive. Holds up in both pics and video.
I'm sure the anti-Duke haters/trolls will find another call to latch onto, though.
Cameron is WAY smaller and tighter than most other arenas; there just isn't the space to put camera equipment at the normal viewing level. That's the reason they have Dickie V and crew way up in the rafters.
Brian Fellows
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I never really notice the camera angles.
The call was 50/50 at worst, I'd lean more toward the charge.
The one on Parker should have been a charge too.
JB's explosion was all about him trying to "us against the world" his sliding team back into focus. The way they were going, they could have easily lost @MD and @UVa and then their #1 seed and desired NCAA pathway (Buffalo/MSG) would be in real jeopardy.
The one on Parker should have been a charge too.
JB's explosion was all about him trying to "us against the world" his sliding team back into focus. The way they were going, they could have easily lost @MD and @UVa and then their #1 seed and desired NCAA pathway (Buffalo/MSG) would be in real jeopardy.
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Deleted member 12837
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In that case, why completely throw away a still very winnable game @ Duke? Can't he fire his team up after the game instead of getting thrown out?
Randolph Freelander
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Boeheim still trending
You gotta love Jimmy B fleeing from the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
You gotta love Jimmy B fleeing from the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
theprodigy
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hey guys
:jnc x2
:jnc x2
Mac the KNife
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Mac the KNife
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Turnovers are death.
its like Michigan is wearing UNC blue instead of Meatchicken yellow.
Grover Cleveland
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So the next day after a big game in Cameron, we have one fanbase yelling about some great mysterious cabal between the ACC, Duke, UNC, and ESPN that favors those teams winning while holding other schools (especially non-North Carolina schools) down.
It's like Maryland's never left. Next Syracuse game in Cameron, I need some "Not Our Rivals!" chants going.
It's like Maryland's never left. Next Syracuse game in Cameron, I need some "Not Our Rivals!" chants going.
We'll know for sure when Syracuse fans start yelling FAGS! at the Duke players.
Grover Cleveland
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SEC Conference Records
Parity, total shittyness, or both?
Parity, total shittyness, or both?
Randolph Freelander
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^ Kind of looks like the ACC.
Speaking of.... hey Pittsburgh: stop losing.
Speaking of.... hey Pittsburgh: stop losing.