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2013 Feb NBA Season lOT| Controlling it like a man, bruh

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Black Mamba

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For those unaware:

Buss worked his way through the University of Wyoming, graduating with a B.S. degree in two and a half years in 1955. He moved to Los Angeles and attended the University of Southern California (USC), where he earned a M.S. and Ph.D. in physical chemistry by age 24.[2] Buss started as a chemist for the Bureau of Mines (now the Mine Safety and Health Administration); he then briefly worked in the aerospace industry and was on the faculty of USC's chemistry department. He originally went into real estate investing in order to provide an income so he could continue teaching. His first investment in the 1960s was $1,000 in a West Los Angeles apartment building. Finding great success in the real estate business, he pursued real estate investing full time. In 1979 Jerry purchased Pickfair Mansion in Beverly Hills from the estate of Mary Pickford.[2] He was also the co-owner of a real estate investment company called Mariani-Buss Associates with his long-time business partner Frank Mariani.

Buss became an owner in World Team Tennis, the Los Angeles Strings. He purchased the Los Angeles Lakers of the NBA along with the Los Angeles Kings hockey team of the NHL, The Forum, and a large ranch from Jack Kent Cooke in 1979. The purchase price, $67.5 million, made it the largest transaction in sports history at that time. Buss later sold the Kings, retaining ownership of the Lakers and The Forum.

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In January 2008, Buss donated $7.5 million to USC's Department of Chemistry to fund two endowed chairs and an endowed scholarship fund for chemistry graduate students; the two chairs were to be named after his mentors at USC, professors Sidney Benson and David Dows. Buss is an inaugural member of the USC College Board of Councilors.
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From his wiki

edit: LATimes finally caught wind:

Lakers owner Jerry Buss has been hospitalized because of an undisclosed form of cancer, spending time in the intensive care unit at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, according to multiple team personnel.

A Lakers spokesman declined to comment on his condition.

Several current and former Lakers players have visited Buss, including Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Shaquille O’Neal and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

Buss, 79, has been in the hospital numerous times the last two years. He underwent an undisclosed surgery last August and was admitted a month earlier for what the team said was dehydration. He was also hospitalized in December 2011 for blood clots in his leg caused by excessive travel, according to the Lakers.

A report Thursday from radaronline.com said that players were visiting Buss because of “what they expect to be his final days.”

Before his most recent medical issues, Buss continued to take part in decision-making processes for the Lakers.
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Fuck, if they came to visit then it really is the end. :(
 
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Emwitus

Member
Psychological Intellect said:
Kobe's jumper is so reliable these days he got a whole field goal the other day.
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LoL let's see what Lebron will be doing in his 17th year before we start proclaiming him the goat of all. His mechanics are ugly but alot more reliable than they were coming into the league. But if you think it's comparable to durant or kobe.....yeah.
EDIT: I wonder if he's scared now that they went after hedo
 
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diehard

Fleer
Emwitus said:
LoL let's see what Lebron will be doing in his 17th year before we start proclaiming him the goat of all. His mechanics are ugly but alot more reliable than they were coming into the league. But if you think it's comparable to durant or kobe.....yeah.
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Um, he is.

Let's not look at actual stats or anything though.
 
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Psychological Intellect

Banned
Emwitus said:
LoL let's see what Lebron will be doing in his 17th year before we start proclaiming him the goat of all. His mechanics are ugly but alot more reliable than they were coming into the league. But if you think it's comparable to durant or kobe.....yeah.
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Thing is, he doesn't need it to be. His jumper is good enough to go in more times than not and he can bully his way to the rim with his improved post game. of course Kobe and especially KD have great jumpers, I doubt Lebron's will ever as good as theirs. is that better?
Vahagn said:
Lol


Even so, If Lebron tried to score 37 a game, or even 35 - his FG% would have to come down pretty drastically. Lebron is playing so efficiently because he almost never forces anything, but he's not going to get that many "quality high % shots" over the course of 82 games.


Not saying he wants to or anything, but people acting like If we can score 26 a game at 55% he can score 35 or 37 a game at the same % is just laughable.
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who said that he'd be able to keep his 57%FG? that's crazy.
 
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Vahagn

Member
Psychological Intellect said:
Kobe's jumper is so reliable these days he got one whole field goal the other day.
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Lol


Even so, If Lebron tried to score 37 a game, or even 35 - his FG% would have to come down pretty drastically. Lebron is playing so efficiently because he almost never forces anything, but he's not going to get that many "quality high % shots" over the course of 82 games shooting 5-8 more shots a game.


Not saying he wants to or anything, but people acting like If he can score 26 a game at 55% he can score 35 or 37 a game at the same % is just laughable.


dIEHARD said:
Um, he is.

Let's not look at actual stats or anything though.
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He's shooting at a higher % from 3 this year than Ray Allen over his career. That must mean Lebron is a better 3 point shooter than Ray right? Some people with this nonsense.
 
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Ninja Scooter

Member
I've always heard grumblings that the Buss kids don't really have much interest in holding on to the team after Jerry passes and might sell the rest of the team to Phillip Anschutz, who already owns a stake. Would be a much better alternative to the Buss kids fighting over control.

As for the Dr., if the reports are true RIP. Best owner in sports.
 
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Fenderputty

Banned
Man ... Jerry Buss won't be with us much longer it seems. Terrible news on multiple levels. At least he's with family and friends. He's got quite the legacy too.
 
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Emwitus

Member
Psychological Intellect said:
Thing is, he doesn't need it to be. His jumper is good enough to go in more times than not and he can bully his way to the rim with his improved post game. of course Kobe and especially KD have great jumpers, I doubt Lebron's will ever as good as theirs. is that better?

who said that he'd be able to keep his 57%FG? that's crazy.
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Exactly, who did? I'm just saying there are elements to his game that other players are better at than he his. I'd love to have kobe drive to the hoop ala lebron but he isn't blessed with the a superior athletic body and hands. It's after all the more efficient way of doing things. No harm in admitting that. However, jordan was really amazing at finishing at the rim and had a far superior mid range. And that's why i'll always see him as the better offensive player.
 
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diehard

Fleer
Vahagn said:
He's shooting at a higher % from 3 this year than Ray Allen over his career. That must mean Lebron is a better 3 point shooter than Ray right? Some people with this nonsense.
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eFG% on jumpshots, past 3 years:

Kobe: .448 .424 .455
Lebron: .492 .430 .452

so what were you saying again?
 
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crpav

Member
I have watched the NBA long enough to know this. They make it so whoever is popular, draws the fans, makes the big sales, and makes the league the most money gets officiated more leniently. It began with Jordan in a small way. Love him as I did he got away with 3 steps on his take off for dunks. Move to the Shaq era. Again, I am on of the biggest Shaq fan but I can at least be honest and say he got away with offensive foul after offensive foul. Now is the Lebron era. Yes he is super gifted and talented but they allow him to travel, carry, plow down the lane, and foul(I mean play superb defense) without ever, EVER, being called for it.
 
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Vahagn

Member
dIEHARD said:
eFG% on jumpshots, past 3 years:

Kobe: .448 .424 .455
Lebron: .492 .430 .452

so what were you saying again?
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I'm saying you're wrong. And you conveniently ignored my Ray Allen example because you're wrong.


For one, Most of Lebron's jump shots, particularly before this year were with people giving him all sorts of space so he wouldn't drive. Essentially giving him near wide open jump shots. Most of Kobe's were contested Fadeaways. But by all means, don't take simple reasoning into your argument.


Based on your no-logic-just-look-at-efficiency-approach, Lebron is a better 3 point shooter this year than Ray Allen has been over the majority of his career. Or Reggie Miller for that matter.


Edit: This is when you seem like a Hater, troll, whatever. When you're willing to use a line of reasoning to attack someone, but not when it's someone else...Unless you're willing to say Lebron is a better 3 point shooter this year than Ray Allen has almost ever been, your just a jackass.
 
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rando14

Member
dIEHARD said:
I'm still awaiting Vahagn's "Kobe takes harder shots!" argument .
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Vahagn said:
I'm saying you're wrong. And you conveniently ignored my Ray Allen example because you're wrong.


For one, Most of Lebron's jump shots, particularly before this year were with people giving him all sorts of space so he wouldn't drive. Essentially giving him near wide open jump shots. Most of Kobe's were contested Fadeaways. But by all means, don't take simple reasoning into your argument.


Based on your no-logic-just-look-at-efficiency-approach, Lebron is a better 3 point shooter this year than Ray Allen has been over the majority of his career. Or Reggie Miller for that matter.
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that was fast
 
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DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Kobe has no control over the difficulty of shots he takes.

He's got nothing to do with how defenders play him :(
 
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Vahagn

Member
DY_nasty said:
Kobe has no control over the difficulty of shots he takes.

He's got nothing to do with how defenders play him :(
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Yea if Kobe spent most of his career being a horrible jump shooter to the effect that a coach thinks they can defend him with a 5'5 guy in the Finals, he'd get wide open jumpers too.


We can't all be Lebron though.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

Banned
reilo said:
What's amazing with the Wolves is that Pekovic and Ridnour lead the team in fouls/game: 2.2 and 2.4 respectively

Seems crazy low, no?
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A lot of that has to do with them not having many super high minute players and just playing a bunch of guys 26 MPG.

Kirilenko averaging 1.4 fouls per 36 is an incredibly good rate though and it does show that you don't need massive popularity to have a near nonexistent foul rate.
 
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Vahagn

Member
dIEHARD said:
What is it about advanced stats that is always so hard to understand?
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Lebron is currently shooting 42% from the 3 point line. The vast majority of Ray Ray's career, he was below that number.


So tell me with a straight face that Lebron is a better 3 point shooter this year than Ray has almost ever been? Same goes for Reggie Miller.


If you're not willing to make that statement - you don't even believe in this methodology for any other purpose than to troll Laker Fans.
 
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SoulPlaya

more money than God
I'm not following. Is the argument about whether or not LeBron is a good 3 point shooter? Come on, now. Though Kobe isn't all that great either, he's still a better overall jump shooter than LeBron. LeBron has just gotten better at picking his shots.
 
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Emwitus

Member
Black Mamba said:
lebron is shooting better 16-23 feet and from 3. kobe 10-15 feet
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Better. Lebron is having a great stretch, obviously but had a mediocore mid range coming into the league which is now effective. Which was my argument. Obviously as kobe declines his numbers are going to keep going down. But overall kobe has a better midrange jump shot. Now with durant, that's a different story.
 
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diehard

Fleer
Vahagn said:
Lebron is currently shooting 42% from the 3 point line. The vast majority of Ray Ray's career, he was below that number.


So tell me with a straight face that Lebron is a better 3 point shooter this year than Ray has almost ever been? Same goes for Reggie Miller.


If you're not willing to make that statement - you don't even believe in this methodology for any other purpose than to troll Laker Fans.
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What the hell are you talking about? You were contesting my point about Lebron's jumpshot not being as reliable as Kobe's.

I never said a damn thing about Ray Allen.

Emwitus said:
Better. Lebron is having a great stretch, obviously but had a mediocore mid range coming into the league which is now ffective. Which was my argument. Obviously as kobe declines his numbers are going to keep going down. But overall kobe has a better midrange jump shot. Now with durant, that's a different story.
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Bron has a better 16-23 foot jumpshot in 2 of those 3 years, also.
 
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DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Vahagn said:
Yea if Kobe spent most of his career being a horrible jump shooter to the effect that a coach thinks they can defend him with a 5'5 guy in the Finals, he'd get wide open jumpers too.


We can't all be Lebron though.
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kobetakingjumpersover4defenders.jpg

LBJ learned to stop taking pull up 3s. Kobe has yet to give a fuck. Efficiency and how to not play into a defenses hands. How does I think am hoop.
Emwitus said:
Yeah, let's pull up numbers ignoring 3pt attempts and distance in the paint to justify lebron having a horrible jumpshot.
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lol eFG% = look dat shit up rick fox
 
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