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[theignoramus]

There was no game that looked better than Crysis on PS3 at one point, either.

Then Killzone and Uncharted 2 came out and blew that shit out of the water.

This is Crysis 1 running on GTX680 SLI: http://www.abload.de/img/3ghz5bjax.png (Large PNG ahead).

But we digress

ah c'mon, C1 looks better than that. thats like the most unflattering image ever.

 

[Future PhaZe]

please

trading crawford for nothing is the best you could've hoped for

and Airiza for Butler is a bad trade since when?

lol

you do realize we're rebuilding right?

trading an asset for nothing and then trading your young soon to be expiring SF who's helped change the tone of your team defensively for an aging vet who's apart of the old big three?

Just fucking slit my throat already.

 

[Barrage]

there's about zero chance that this could happen

Between trading Crawford for nothing and trading our best defensive player for a Gilbert Era Wiz has been would be the fucking disaster that finally destroys the demon that is Grunsfeld.

Ariza's got a Player Option, he's gone regardless.

 

[reilo]

ah c'mon, C1 looks better than that. thats like the most unflattering image ever.

It didn't look much better in motion, either. Most of that though is due to its by-the-numbers art style.

"What does a jungle look like? Let's look at a photo. Here's a jungle environment. Look at this photo. Does that not look like a jungle? Yes it does. Moving on."

 

[Future PhaZe]

Ariza's got a Player Option, he's gone regardless.

lol what, he's not going to get a better deal on the open market

The crawford for a bag of farts trade should only make you feel like Ariza for Butler was very close to happening.

I see that you're right now after checking around...this front office is terribad

Only Beal can save us

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Ariza's got a Player Option, he's gone regardless.

Better than paying 8mil for Butler next year.

edit: Ariza taking a paycut to leave Washington? I could see it happening.

 

[DY_nasty]

lol

you do realize we're rebuilding right?

trading an asset for nothing and then trading your young soon to be expiring SF who's helped change the tone of your team defensively for an aging vet who's apart of the old big three?

Just fucking slit my throat already.

Do you? Rebuilding teams never acquire guys with contracts like Okafor and Ariza in the first place.

Crawford isn't an asset either. Dude is a chucker who directly contributed to Beal's crappy start to the season. He's Jason Terry's asshole little brother. Most rebuilding teams are happy to be rid of guys like him without having to take on any baggage to get rid of him.

Only Beal can save us

you were shitting allll over beal at the start of the season too

crazy because he's done more for wall than anyone else in that entire organization

 

[Branduil]

Funny you say that, because it was that style of Bethesda gameplay that led me to try MMORPGs many moons ago.

Once I heard Skyrim compared unfavorably to Witcher series, I didn't even bother. Witcher is boss.

I always want to play EVE online when I read about the crazy stories but it's never as much fun to play as it is to read about it.

 

[commish]

I always want to play EVE online when I read about the crazy stories but it's never as much fun to play as it is to read about it.

100% the truth. I tried EVE once and I didn't know what the f was going on. Just a bit overwhelming to start. The stories are definitely better than the actual game.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Do you? Rebuilding teams never acquire guys with contracts like Okafor and Ariza in the first place.

Crawford isn't an asset either. Dude is a chucker who directly contributed to Beal's crappy start to the season. He's Jason Terry's asshole little brother. Most rebuilding teams are happy to be rid of guys like him without having to take on any baggage to get rid of him.

I never agreed with taking on the Okafor and Ariza contracts--I definitely preferred tanking.

And it wasn't so much about trying to move Crawford on his own, I understand the value there is small, but we're inevitably going to have to make some trades next season due to Ariza and Okafor being on the open market, and including Jordan might have added some value to those deals. There's no way that you can't get SOMETHING of value in a package deal for two expirings next season.

I was more concerned with the apparent lack of patience and control our coaching/front office showed. Can this coaching staff not put a lock on one malcontent?

you were shitting allll over beal at the start of the season too

crazy because he's done more for wall than anyone else in that entire organization

I'm not going to feel bad about having concerns about him the first few months. He was historically bad and afraid of the ball--that on top of the fact that we drafted a guy primarily for shooting when his percentages were bad in college. There was zero evidence to support that he'd all of a sudden be Ray Allen in the pros.

Luckily he proved me wrong.

 

[Nori Chan]

Bioshock mechanics were asscheeks.

Die in a fire

 

[theignoramus]

It didn't look much better in motion, either. Most of that though is due to its by-the-numbers art style.

"What does a jungle look like? Let's look at a photo. Here's a jungle environment. Look at this photo. Does that not look like a jungle? Yes it does. Moving on."

the shit looks filthy in motion

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26150767&postcount=1792
The part of the game during and after the weird zero g shit inside the mountain--and whatever you think about that zero g mission, the art style damn sure aint by numbers--looks ridiculous.
but why are we talking about Crysis 1 when no PS3 or 360 game looks better than Dx11 Metro 33....or even Witcher 2.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Die in a fire

He probably did one too many while playing BioShock.

I was okay with the mechanics, but yeah, there's better out there.

 

[The Frankman]

Could LeBron make my 5"8 non black ass dunk?

racist.

 

[Truelize]

Haha I knew that comment was awesome.

I don't think Bron can cure cancer. Or at least he is too self conscious of his image to try.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I think vanilla Crysis 1 still looks awesome.

Not sure what they could have done to make the art better either.

 

[Barrage]

lol what, he's not going to get a better deal on the open market

Anywhere outside of Washington is automatically "a better deal."

This isn't Drew Gooden we're talking about here, Ariza has Rings. He's gonna want to be in the Playoff hunt again.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Anywhere outside of Washington is automatically "a better deal."

This isn't Drew Gooden we're talking about here, Ariza has Rings. He's gonna want to be in the Playoff hunt again.

Lol.

Ariza was a min salary player staring down the D-League before the Lakers gave him a shot. He earned a nice 5 year contract out of that with a player option, but I don't think his market value exceeds the 7.8 mil he's going to make with the Wiz next year.

He's not going to use his option. He'll make the money and then go to the highest bidder when he becomes a free agent.

We're talking about a guy who left a championship team for Houston over like 500 grand.

 

[Barrage]

Ellis won't get a better deal than 11 Million next year. You think he's going to stay a Buck?

(...And Milwaukee's a lot better team than Washington)

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Ariza is gonna pick up his option and hope he gets traded. No reason to leave all that money on the table when you're only gonna play 40 or so games in Washington before you get sent packing.

 

[DY_nasty]

Ellis for Ariza and a 1st

Who says no?

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Ellis for Ariza and a 1st

Who says no?

Wall would let out a darthervader noooooo

 

[exarkun]

Is Ariza starting yet or still coming off the bench? Cause if hes still coming off the bench for the Wizards, dude is already gone. Even if he takes a pay cut, he'll want to be somewhere where he can win consistently. He is getting to that age where he can't be part of rebuilding unless they'll be on the upswing next year.

Send him to a contender with a strong identity and a coach that can't be pushed around and it would restore him to late Lakers/early Rockets form. It also would have helped the Wizards (though not for Butler). Too late for that!

 

[Black Mamba]

Ellis for Ariza and a 1st

Who says no?

I wouldn't throw in a 1st for Ellis. Hell, I wouldn't do Ellis for Ariza straight up but then again I think Ellis is one of the worst players in the league and he makes 7 figures...

 

[giri]

Is Ariza starting yet or still coming off the bench? Cause if hes still coming off the bench for the Wizards, dude is already gone. Even if he takes a pay cut, he'll want to be somewhere where he can win consistently. He is getting to that age where he can't be part of rebuilding unless they'll be on the upswing next year.

Send him to a contender with a strong identity and a coach that can't be pushed around and it would restore him to late Lakers/early Rockets form. It also would have helped the Wizards (though not for Butler). Too late for that!

Why would you bother investing that much into ariza? lots of other and better talent at SF.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Ellis won't get a better deal than 11 Million next year. You think he's going to stay a Buck?

(...And Milwaukee's a lot better team than Washington)

fuck outta here with that noise

I'm not saying we can keep Ariza once he becomes unrestricted, I don't even know if we'll want him at that point, I'm just saying he's not going to rush things and opt out of his current contract right now, especially when the Lakers and Clippers are going to have some salary off the books the summer he's an UFA.

I don't really know what's going through Montas head. Shit Mayo is making 4 mil per

Spoiler

hefuckedup

. Maybe he knows his ankles are about to explode and wants to hurt up and lock in a long term deal.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Monta will get like $4 or $5 million a year, not sure small guards that can't shoot, pass, make rational decisions, or defend have any value except maybe in a bench role.

 

[The Frankman]

For the 1st time Wall has no stupid people/asshole chuckers on his team. Now you want to put a guy who embodies both to the extreme? Why not strap a jellyfish to Wall's nads while you're at it?

 

[Truelize]

Monta will get like $4 or $5 million a year, not sure small guards that can't shoot, pass, make rational decisions, or defend have any value except maybe in a bench role.

Whoa, that low? I would like to see it happen. Maybe it would humble him enough to play the game smarter.
Or do we have Sprewell version 2 and he says that's not enough to feed his family?

 

[giri]

Monta will get like $4 or $5 million a year, not sure small guards that can't shoot, pass, make rational decisions, or defend have any value except maybe in a bench role.

Jamal Crawford and Jason Terry are making over 5M a year. Kevin Martin is making over 12M a year.

Don't be surprised to see Monta get anywhere from 8M - 12M.

Hell, salmons is making over 7M

 

[Black Mamba]

Monta will get like $4 or $5 million a year, not sure small guards that can't shoot, pass, make rational decisions, or defend have any value except maybe in a bench role.

Who has cap space? I'm certain there's a few really stupid teams out there willing to pay him $8 mil.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Hard to predict what someones going to get paid. Not long ago Landry Fields got like 6-7 million per and then a year after that OJ Mayo gets paid 4 million per.

Who has cap space? I'm certain there's a few really stupid teams out there willing to pay him $8 mil.

Charlotte, Orlando, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Phoenix off the top of my head.

Only team I can imagine paying him is Phoenix.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Jamal Crawford and Jason Terry are making over 5M a year. Kevin Martin is making over 12M a year.

Don't be surprised to see Monta get anywhere from 8M - 12M.

Hell, salmons is making over 7M

This. People seem to forget every year that the market in the nba is fucked up and guys get overpaid every year. Look at Gerald Wallace.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

A lot of these situations aren't comparable to Monta's. Monta is hated by his team and has been buried in a small market. Teams can't sell themselves on previous success (small market and no playoff success) or potential (has probably already maxed out and is getting worse) and he doesn't have a weird situation (like Fields or Wallace) that would force a team to overpay him to get another player or where their original team thinks they have to keep him because he's vital (he's been bad and the Bucks are keeping Jennings over him). He's in a similar spot to Crawful and Terry and those guys got $5m a year.

 

[commish]

Monta will get like $4 or $5 million a year, not sure small guards that can't shoot, pass, make rational decisions, or defend have any value except maybe in a bench role.

Come on. He'll get a lot more than that. He can and will still put up 20 a game, and that will always have value for teams. Someone will definitely overpay for him.

 

[giri]

A lot of these situations aren't comparable to Monta's. Monta is hated by his team and has been buried in a small market. Teams can't sell themselves on previous success (small market and no playoff success) or potential (has probably already maxed out and is getting worse) and he doesn't have a weird situation (like Fields or Wallace) that would force a team to overpay him to get another player or where their original team thinks they have to keep him because he's vital (he's been bad and the Bucks are keeping Jennings over him). He's in a similar spot to Crawful and Terry and those guys got $5m a year.

Explain martin.

It's just selectively telling the story.

I'll be more surprised if Monta gets paid under 10M than if he gets over 10M.

 

[Black Mamba]

A lot of these situations aren't comparable to Monta's. Monta is hated by his team and has been buried in a small market. Teams can't sell themselves on previous success (small market and no playoff success) or potential (has probably already maxed out and is getting worse) and he doesn't have a weird situation (like Fields or Wallace) that would force a team to overpay him to get another player or where their original team thinks they have to keep him because he's vital (he's been bad and the Bucks are keeping Jennings over him). He's in a similar spot to Crawful and Terry and those guys got $5m a year.

Except Crawful had an awful year scoring wise and Terry is much older.

there are still teams and GMs ignorant to stats other than points per game regardless of efficiency.

Also, last offseason, only Houston and Dallas had real cap space other than the bobkittens. So yeah, there was nowhere for those guys to go for big money. It will depend on who has space. Dallas and Houston won't pay for Monta but Atlanta? Perhaps.

Explain martin.

It's just selectively telling the story.

I'll be more surprised if Monta gets paid under 10M than if he gets over 10M.

Martin was pre-CBA and really a different time. He signed that contract a long time ago. He wouldn't get that deal today even if we warp him back a few years in age.

Monta can still get $8-10 million per year, though, but I hope not.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Explain martin.

It's just selectively telling the story.

I'll be more surprised if Monta gets paid under 10M than if he gets over 10M.

I think monta will get 8 per, mostly due to the fact that he was a 24+ PPG scorer at one point.

But I don't think IWMTB is wrong, Martin and Salmons contracts aren't worth talking about because they are from the previous CBA and a different era of how money is dished out. A better comparison might be Gallo who's making close to 10 per, but at least he had a ton of potential on his side.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Crawful is 32 and Jet is 35, that had something to do with their contracts as well. Monta will be 27.

Monta's got it all, he's gonna get paid. It's now just a matter of who the hell is gonna ruin their franchise for the next 4-5 seasons.

 

[jobber]

I found out that you could trade a player between 9am the day after the Finals ends until draft night.

So technically, Atlanta could still trade Josh Smith between when the Finals end and draft night. Then he could walk July 1st.

I bet it's some loophole Cuban is going to exploit.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Crawful is 32 and Jet is 35, that had something to do with their contracts as well. Monta will be 27.

Monta's got it all, he's gonna get paid. It's now just a matter of who the hell is gonna ruin their franchise for the next 4-5 seasons.

Thankfully we have Beal. If we had MKG he'd probably be a Wizard right now.

I can imagine Monta in a bobcats uniform though.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Crawful is 32 and Jet is 35, that had something to do with their contracts as well. Monta will be 27.

Monta's got it all, he's gonna get paid. It's now just a matter of who the hell is gonna ruin their franchise for the next 4-5 seasons.

Monta to da lakers.

 

[giri]

Crawful is 32 and Jet is 35, that had something to do with their contracts as well. Monta will be 27.

Monta's got it all, he's gonna get paid. It's now just a matter of who the hell is gonna ruin their franchise for the next 4-5 seasons.

I've got odds its PHX.

The current FO is retarded enough.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Explain martin.

It's just selectively telling the story.

I'll be more surprised if Monta gets paid under 10M than if he gets over 10M.

Martin was still coming off a rookie contract and could still be seen to have potential, Monta's coming off his second contract and is getting worse now. There's no potential or previous success with a big market team or in the playoffs with Monta and that's where most bad contracts come from.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Aren't there rumors out there that the Hornets are looking to move Gordon?

Could see PHX getting involved in that

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Monta to da lakers.

If Knicks had capspace they'd sign him, fuck, if NYK had assets or picks to trade he'd be a Knick right now. Monta is the embodiment of Knicks basketball

 

[Syphon Filter]

If Knicks had capspace they'd sign him, fuck, if NYK had assets or picks to trade he'd be a Knick right now. Monta is the embodiment of Knicks basketball

Well thankfully they don't.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Well thankfully they don't.

Thankfully they're just disgustingly stuck with no means to improve without a time machine.

 

[Black Mamba]

I could totally see Joe Dumars signing Monta to a 3 year, $33 million deal.

They'll have at least $20 mil in cap space. Don't even try to tell me Dumars won't overpay someone.

 

[Dominican Power]

The punitive luxury tax will keep teams for over paying guys like Monta, no?