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[DY_nasty]

Noel is going to be a project he's 220lbs and won't do much until he puts on weight.

Anthony Davis is even smaller.

Bigs don't bang like they used to so playing younger PF/Cs isn't the suicide mission it used to be. As long as they're mobile, they're fine. The plodding, traditional centers and undersized PFs are the ones that have the most trouble adjusting.

 

[Omega]

Noel is going to be a project he's 220lbs and won't do much until he puts on weight.

Weight doesn't really mean much plus putting on weight isn't that much of an issue for most players.

If Chris bosh can be an effective center, Noel will be fine if he's as good as everyone says he is.

At the start of the season he looked okay at best, but maybe he's improved

 

[Fox318]

This is hard to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3xoQuIa3Kg

:'(

 

[abuC]

Anthony Davis is even smaller.

Bigs don't bang like they used to so playing younger PF/Cs isn't the suicide mission it used to be. As long as they're mobile, they're fine. The plodding, traditional centers and undersized PFs are the ones that have the most trouble adjusting.

Davis plays the 4 and has more offensive skills than Noel who will most likely be a 5 in the NBA. I don't see the hype with Noel at all and him being number 1 is just a bi-product of an awful draft.

Weight doesn't really mean much plus putting on weight isn't that much of an issue for most players.

If Chris bosh can be an effective center, Noel will be fine if he's as good as everyone says he is.

At the start of the season he looked okay at best, but maybe he's improved

Using Bosh is a poor example, he has a jumper out to 22 feet and he's around 235-240lbs they play him at center just to space the floor. He's small by center standards but still bigger than Noel.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Noel is going to be a project he's 220lbs and won't do much in the NBA until he puts on weight.

Almost no rookies do anything in the NBA in terms of helping a team win for their first two years. Defensive awareness and shot selection has to improve a lot for young guys to help their teams win and weight comes easier than those and can develop at the same time.

DeMarcus Cousins had an "NBA-ready" body and he made basically no impact on their winning percentage in their first two years. Derrick Favors didn't start helping the Jazz win until midway through his second season even though he was physically ready out of college as well. Weight doesn't matter unless they don't have the frame to put it on (which is kind of a concern for Noel I'll admit)

Using Bosh is a poor example, he has a jumper out to 22 feet and he's around 235-240lbs they play him at center just to space the floor. He's small by center standards but still bigger than Noel.

Joakim Noah entered the NBA at 223 pounds.

KG was the best center and defensive player in the league last year at 230 pounds

Duncan is the best center and defensive player in the league this year at 235 pounds.

 

[abuC]

Almost no rookies do anything in the NBA in terms of helping a team win for their first two years. Defensive awareness and shot selection has to improve a lot for young guys to help their teams win and weight comes easier than those and can develop at the same time.

DeMarcus Cousins had an "NBA-ready" body and he made basically no impact on their winning percentage in their first two years. Derrick Favors didn't start helping the Jazz win until midway through his second season even though he was physically ready out of college as well. Weight doesn't matter unless they don't have the frame to put it on (which is kind of a concern for Noel I'll admit)

DeMarcus Cousins is crazy.

 

[DY_nasty]

Davis plays the 4 and has more offensive skills than Noel who will most likely be a 5 in the NBA. I don't see the hype with Noel at all and him being number 1 is just a bi-product of an awful draft.

Davis even plays the 3 because Monty looks for any and every reason to have him on the floor at all times because the unibrow's defense is godlike.

Noel can play the anchor role just fine (mainly because he's mobile and knows how to be mobile)... I don't think people realize exactly how much of a complete 180 Drummond has done since he's been drafted and are using that as a way to understate a bunch of other factors that go into transitioning to the league.

 

[Omega]

This is hard to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3xoQuIa3Kg

this is why it's hard to have a positive outlook on the knicks now.

 

[Tom Penny]

LJ was still a good player after he moved to the 3. He turned into a good defender and was effective posting up at the 3 and spacing the floor.

Going from 20/8 for years then immediately 13/6 is a huge drop.

 

[Blackace]

Weight doesn't really mean much plus putting on weight isn't that much of an issue for most players.

If Chris bosh can be an effective center, Noel will be fine if he's as good as everyone says he is.

At the start of the season he looked okay at best, but maybe he's improved

Weight is a huge issue

And Bosh isn't an effective center

 

[Blackace]

Going from 20/8 for years then immediately 13/6 is a huge drop.

Playing without a back will do that to you

 

[Blackace]

He became a bum after he hurt his back and not nearly as effective. Massive drop off. I wasn't talking about their games.

13 ppg isn't a bum

 

[abuC]

Davis even plays the 3 because Monty looks for any and every reason to have him on the floor at all times because the unibrow's defense is godlike.

Noel can play the anchor role just fine (mainly because he's mobile and knows how to be mobile)... I don't think people realize exactly how much of a complete 180 Drummond has done since he's been drafted and are using that as a way to understate a bunch of other factors that go into transitioning to the league.

But they can get away with that cause Davis has the skills on offense to do it. Noel will have to be paired up with someone that can cover up his offense if they want to play him right away. Maybe if the Kings draft him and he plays with Cousins but your Bobcats with him would be ugggggggggllllllyyyyyy on the offensive end. He's going to be a liability on offense if he plays PF and he'll be too small to play Center right away.

I wanted my team (Warriors) to draft Drummond so it's not a 180 to me.

 

[Omega]

Weight is a huge issue

And Bosh isn't an effective center

weight is an issue for what, big men? maybe

but it doesn't have much of an impact. there are no dominant paint players that would take advantage of a smaller player. mobility and athleticism are more important.

as for bosh, he might not be decent but he's better at center than anyone else Miami has at that position.

 

[iamblades]

Davis even plays the 3 because Monty looks for any and every reason to have him on the floor at all times because the unibrow's defense is godlike.

Noel can play the anchor role just fine (mainly because he's mobile and knows how to be mobile)... I don't think people realize exactly how much of a complete 180 Drummond has done since he's been drafted and are using that as a way to understate a bunch of other factors that go into transitioning to the league.

Yeah Noel is an even better defender than Davis was in college. He has at least a block per game wiped off the boards by stupid fouls by the primary defender, otherwise he would be on pace to break Davis's mark for BPG by a substantial margin. That's not even mentioning his steal rate.

The one thing he doesn't do that Davis did is close out on jumpshooters for blocks, but that's just because if he did that, Kentucky would never get another defensive rebound.

Other than that he is better in every respect on defense.

On offense he is way worse, but his post-up footwork and moves are ahead of where Davis was at this point last year. He has no jumpshot and worse FT shooting than Shaq though, and he clearly doesn't have the bulk to be a consistent post up player yet, so his offense is going to be limited.

I don't know if you draft a one dimensional player #1 and I don't know how much a defensive specialist would help a team bad enough to get the number 1 pick, but defensive big men on that level don't come around that often at all.

 

[abuC]

weight is an issue for what, big men? maybe

but it doesn't have much of an impact. there are no dominant paint players that would take advantage of a smaller player. mobility and athleticism are more important.

as for bosh, he might not be decent but he's better at center than anyone else Miami has at that position.

Weight isn't an issue for power forwards but for centers it definitely is. Those goofy looking Lopez twins are still like 260lbs and even they get pushed around.

 

[thekad]

I don't think Drunmond has done a 180. He's just been playing a role that maximizes his physical gifts. Put him on the Wizards a couple years ago and you would be trolling the shit out of him, DY.

For instance, Chandler has pretty much the exact same limitations as he had when he entered the league, but he's maximized his talent in a certain role. And of course he's gotten smarter over the years which is expected from any young player.

 

[LegendofJoe]

But they can get away with that cause Davis has the skills on offense to do it. Noel will have to be paired up with someone that can cover up his offense if they want to play him right away. Maybe if the Kings draft him and he plays with Cousins but your Bobcats with him would be ugggggggggllllllyyyyyy on the offensive end. He's going to be a liability on offense if he plays PF and he'll be too small to play Center right away.

I wanted my team (Warriors) to draft Drummond so it's not a 180 to me.

The vision I got of Noel playing alongside Mullens is what convinced me we that it would be a good idea to make a hard play for Jefferson. My biggest concern with Noel though are his really narrow shoulders, I don't think he's going to be able to get much past 230.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Drummond played terrified of the paint in UConn and was incredibly mentally weak and pretty lazy, I think he's changed a good bit.

 

[Omega]

Weight isn't an issue for power forwards but for centers it definitely is. Those goofy looking Lopez twins are still like 260lbs and even they get pushed around.

they get pushed around cuz they're soft as shit. and Noel will most likely be playing PF anyway.

all i'm saying is if he turns out to be a bust, it won't be because of weight

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Davis is going to be playing center next year and Noel will be playing center in a couple of years as well.

If Larry Sanders can become a quality starting center, then I think they will be able to grow into the position.

 

[thekad]

Drummond played terrified of the paint in UConn and was incredibly mentally weak and pretty lazy, I think he's changed a good bit.

Is it more likely that their scheme and surrounding players forced Drummond into a role in which he wasn't comfortable or that he turned from a mental midget into an monster in the course of a summer?

 

[LegendofJoe]

Davis is going to be playing center next year and Noel will be playing center in a couple of years as well.

If Larry Sanders can become a quality starting center, then I think they will be able to grow into the position.

Davis has the frame to get up to 260 or so, Noel is built more like Noah. That's also the player he reminds me of the most, which I'd be more than fine with.

Edit: everyone who knocked Drummond for his effort and intelligence last year must have completely ignored the context of his situation at Uconn. He reclassified late, Calhoun was out for most of the year with sickness and NCAA trouble, he played with guards whose only skill was to chuck, and the other decent big on that team Oriakhi ended up transferring after the season. If you think you can accurately gauge someone's potential after a situation like that you are full of shit.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Is it more likely that their scheme and surrounding players forced Drummond into a role in which he wasn't comfortable or that he turned from a mental midget into an monster in the course of a summer?

He wasn't given any offensive responsibility at UConn and he had a lottery pick teammate. He was just supposed to set screens and dunk if he got open and he refused to do the dunking part (sort of like Chandler if with less PnR because he really didn't show much PnR ability when they did run some for him) because he was trapped in his head like Biedrins.

 

[theignoramus]

nice airball on that hook shot from dwight

 

[Herpes Reasons]

earl clark on my tits.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

eric gordon looks like kendrick lamar

nash's ankles got smashed twice now

 

[hobz360]

Wow, I like this Kowe!

 

[LegendofJoe]

Kobe on track to get 30 dimes, Konex must be covered in something he shouldn't be.

 

[theignoramus]

I dont understand why Ryno doesnt start. Get Aminu off the floor, all I see is crap from that dude

 

[Fox318]

nice airball on that hook shot from dwight

You can't teach skills like that

 

[Shadow780]

How dumb is Dwight, players want to strip you every time. Don't put the ball down dumbass.

 

[Black Mamba]

Howard's hands. My god. And another dumb foul by him.

Neve thought they'd be someone as bad as kwame with his hands.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

aminu is straight trash

 

[theignoramus]

Aminu is garbage , thats two blown layups from him. and lol Dwight, dude is a turnover machine in the post.

 

[brianjones]

damn kobe even passing up layups for dat assist lol

 

[Vic]

The Lakers aren't looking like bums anymore.

 

[Shadow780]

Kobe passing up 2 pts to get an assist, I thought I never see this day come.

 

[Black Mamba]

Howard lucky he didn't get a 3 second call there.

 

[Emwitus]

damn kobe even passing up layups for dat assist lol

Rajome?

 

[linsivvi]

What Would Kowe Chu?

 

[hobz360]

damn kobe even passing up layups for dat assist lol

Kobe Magic Black Mamba Bryant, the new Lakers showtime! lol

 

[Psychological Intellect]

kobe with 4 assists already.

 

[The Frankman]

Kobe on track to get 30 dimes, Konex must be covered in something he shouldn't be.

 

[Black Mamba]

Kobe should start defending Gordon sometime tonight.

 

[Omega]

He must be trying to set the Lakers record for assists in a season.

 

[linsivvi]

Good things happen when you put Pau on the block.

 

[pilonv1]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--g...m-to-facilitate-rudy-gay-trade-033758281.html

Preferably, the Grizzlies want a less expensive small forward to plug into the lineup for Gay, sources said. Memphis has been relentless in shopping Gay over the past several weeks.

In a proposed deal, Memphis would likely receive another young Raptors player and a future draft pick, sources said. The Grizzlies have unsuccessfully tried to pry Raptors rookie Terrence Ross as part of the deal, sources said. Toronto has deemed Ross untouchable in these talks.

Fields or Ross, not both.

 

[theignoramus]

I hate Antawn Jamisons face

 

[Vic]

Wait. Is that... Steve Blake?