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[ryutaro's mama]

I do respect my opponent. Doesn't mean Im fucking scared of them.

But your trolling is tired and probably should stay wherever its been recently.

I ain't trolling shit--it's called the truth.

I'd like to see a long series (since this is the last basketball we have till November) so I hope you guys can muster a win on Sunday.

Maybe Wade will get his special jowls inducing shot and you can get back in this series.

And to be fair, it doesn't matter if YOU are "fucking scared of them" or not, tough guy...it matters if the #MVP will have 2007 flashbacks in the 4th again like he did tonight.

At least he has his empty triple double to tuck him in at night though.

 

[reilo]

Kobe is 8th or 9th best of all time tops. Maybe.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Kobe is 8th or 9th best of all time tops. Maybe.

This is actually probably the nicest thing reilo has ever said about Kobe.

 

[reilo]

This is actually probably the nicest thing reilo has ever said about Kobe.

Or as Vaggy would put it:

Kobe is literally the most irrationally hated all time great ever.

 

[Darkman M]

Kobe is 8th or 9th best of all time tops. Maybe.

Whatever helps you sleep at night bud.... goodnight!

 

[benjipwns]

I meant, from 20 til they retire.

I understood your hypothetical, I'm saying Kareem over any other perimeter player but Jordan is a nobrainer to me and that I'd probably even have a hard time NOT picking Kareem over Jordan.

That first decade of Kareem solves so many problems in constructing a team, it's kinda amazing how long the Lakers squandered it. Even if Jordan is the better overall player. And I know this going in.

His last 15 years, all things considered is as good of a 15 year stretch as anyone has ever had in the NBA...except possibly Russel and those dudes in the Celtics 60's dynasty.

Well, this seems a bit much.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Kobe is 8th or 9th best of all time tops. Maybe.

interesting, did not expect that.kad will be livid.

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

Kobe is literally the most irrationally hated all time great ever. top 4 in scoring all time. 5 chips (Only Russell, Kareem, or Jordan have more)

2 Finals MVP's (Only Wilt, Russell, Jordan, Magic, Duncan, Shaq have more). Most ALL NBA First teams and ALL NBA First Team Defenses.

His last 15 years, all things considered is as good of a 15 year stretch as anyone has ever had in the NBA...except possibly Russel and those dudes in the Celtics 60's dynasty.

So many of those all defense teams were not deserved. Many were simply due to his name being Kobe Bryant.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Kobe is 8th or 9th best of all time tops. Maybe.

reilo just keeps that shit going.

He was prolly giggling when he typed this up.

 

[Black Mamba]

This is actually probably the nicest thing reilo has ever said about Kobe.

he says nice things when he compares him to lebron, too!

 

[Vahagn]

Or as Vaggy would put it:

that being the nicest thing you've ever said, is proof of the irrational hate. How do you not see that.

 

[Branduil]

Kobe is literally the most irrationally hated all time great ever.

You know, this probably wouldn't happen if Lakers-age didn't put a huge target on their backs by always trying to compare him to the best player ever.

 

[reilo]

interestig,didnt expect that.kad will be livid.

Not as livid as Vaggy. He's fuming that I didn't put Kobe Top 2.

that being the nicest thing you've ever said, is proof of the irrational hate. How do you not see that.

See what I mean?

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

Kobe is 8th or 9th best of all time tops. Maybe.

Sounds about right to me.

 

[reilo]

reilo just keeps that shit going.

He was prolly giggling when he typed this up.

 

[Raziel]

This is where it's at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0HtbJFEzJM

Lakers/Spurs, Game 1 of that series.

second fiddles all ova my face

 

[Nightstick11]

-Kobe made Duncan look like his gf dumped him and his dog died on the same day, in 01.

http://youtu.be/pVwz_Vg6xs0?t=2m42s

Dude. Duncan made Kobe cry. As in sob and shed tears.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

<3

At least one cat on this thread is still dependable.

 

[Trey]

Almost forgot Kobe had some springs.

 

[reilo]

<3

At least one cat on this thread is still dependable.

Yo, reilo you realize you're part of the problem right now right?

I'm the white Dy

.

 

[charsace]

Wow that's crazy talk

Crazy talk my ass. Take a look at the stats for Lebron's 60 win teams. The 2002-03 Spurs at the time weren't better than what Lebron had on his Cavs teams.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2009.html

They made that senseless trade in the 2009-2010 season:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2010.html

Don't look at Tony Parker as he is now and think about what he was like in 2003 when he didn't have a jumper. That 2003 title team didn't have a second option. Tony Parker in 2003 was statistically terrible in the playoffs. Parker had an 11 per and .47 ts and he was the second leading scorer that year. Mo Williams numbers in his cleveland playoff years are bad, but they are still better than what Tony did in 2003. Steve Jackson's numbers look bad too. Duncan carried that team through the playoffs. People can pretend he didn't though.

 

[friskykillface]

lo all these finals and playoffs clips you guys are posting has me watching other finals and playoffs clips

*watches game 7 and metta world artest dagger*

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Is White DY like the Red Mamba?

 

[Blackace]

Whatever helps you sleep at night bud.... goodnight!

MJ
Russ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Dream
TD
Shaq
Kobe

 

[reilo]

MJ
Russ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Dream
TD
Shaq
Kobe

Hatingest hater of all irrational hatred. How dare you?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

MJ
Russ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Dream
TD
Shaq
Kobe

ItWasMeanToBe19 is gonna bite you over excluding Johnny and Kaaaaahl.

 

[Jake Tower]

That's why to this day Dream is still considered the correct pick over MJ

 

[Jack Remington]

That first decade of Kareem solves so many problems in constructing a team, it's kinda amazing how long the Lakers squandered it.

The first year with Kareem (75-76) was rough, sure. But the next few years go:

1976-77: 53-29, the team loses in the WCF.
1977-78: Kareem misses 20 games. The team goes 45-37 and loses in the first round.
1978-79: 47-35, the team loses in the second round.
Then the next year they win the title.

Also consider that the year right before they got Kareem was a rebuilding year where the team went 30-52.

 

[reilo]

Is White DY like the Red Mamba?

I'm not sure how to process that analogy.

The first year with Kareem (75-76) was rough, sure. But the next few years go:

1976-77: 53-29, the team loses in the WCF.
1977-78: Kareem misses 20 games. The team goes 45-37 and loses in the first round.
1978-79: 47-35, the team loses in the second round.
Then the next year they win the title.

Also consider that the year right before they got Kareem was a rebuilding year where the team went 30-52.

It's not Kareem's fault he had to face Big Red.

 

[M_A_C]

MJ
Russ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Dream
TD
Shaq
Kobe

But ESPN told me tonight that LeBron is the best player on the planet like, a million times. Are all of those players still on the planet?

 

[Vahagn]

MJ
Russ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Dream
TD
Shaq
Kobe

Shaq has one more finals MVP. That's it. Less ALL NBA Selections and played on much better teams.

TD. I've explained that already. and Dream. 2 chips, 2 Finals MVP's. 1 MVP. How is that more impressive than Kobe? Only has 6 ALL NBA First Team Selections. Less PPG, Less APG, Less SPG. Less ALL NBA Defense Selections.

 

[reilo]

Shaq has one more finals MVP. That's it. Less ALL NBA Selections and played on much better teams.

TD. I've explained that already. and Dream. 2 chips, 2 Finals MVP's. 1 MVP. How is that more impressive than Kobe? Only has 6 ALL NBA First Team Selections. Less PPG, Less APG, Less SPG. Less ALL NBA Defense Selections.

Kobe is literally the most irrationally hated all time great ever.

.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

But ESPN told me tonight that LeBron is the best player on the planet like, a million times.

He is the best.

Did you see the triple double he had?

How he drove and kicked to Bosh for 3 with the game on the line?

 

[reilo]

This is great: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/18013/an-oral-history-of-the-tony-parker-shot

 

[Blackace]

Crazy talk my ass. Take a look at the stats for Lebron's 60 win teams. The 2002-03 Spurs at the time weren't better than what Lebron had on his Cavs teams.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2009.html

They made that senseless trade in the 2009-2010 season:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2010.html

Don't look at Tony Parker as he is now and think about what he was like in 2003 when he didn't have a jumper. That 2003 title team didn't have a second option. Tony Parker in 2003 was statistically terrible in the playoffs. Parker had an 11 per and .47 ts and he was the second leading scorer that year. Mo Williams numbers in his cleveland playoff years are bad, but they are still better than what Tony did in 2003. Steve Jackson's numbers look bad too. Duncan carried that team through the playoffs. People can pretend he didn't though.

There team was closer to the Ben Wallace Pistons than the Cavs

TD was gonna get his but there was no one player you could shut down since the rest of the team was scoring double digits

 

[Vahagn]

.

I'm comparing actual facts. Those guys have higher Rpg and Bpg because they are Bigs. Kobe has a higher PPG, APG, and SPG then them.


More consistently great career. As many MVP's, More all NBA Selections Offense and Defense. More All Star Selections. More Chips.


Shaq has one more Finals MVP despite playing with Penny, Kobe, Wade, Nash, Lebron, Boston Big 3. Kobe played with Shaq, Pau. Dwight. Who's had more talent?

 

[reilo]

Kobe is literally the most irrationally hated all time great ever.

.

 

[benjipwns]

The first year with Kareem (75-76) was rough, sure. But the next few years go:

1976-77: 53-29, the team loses in the WCF.
1977-78: Kareem misses 20 games. The team goes 45-37 and loses in the first round.
1978-79: 47-35, the team loses in the second round.
Then the next year they win the title.

Also consider that the year right before they got Kareem was a rebuilding year where the team went 30-52.

Another thing I forgot to consider that was right when the leagues got back together. There was lots of disarray among teams.

Don't look at Tony Parker as he is now and think about what he was like in 2003 when he didn't have a jumper. That 2003 title team didn't have a second option. Tony Parker in 2003 was statistically terrible in the playoffs. Parker had an 11 per and .47 ts and he was the second leading scorer that year. Mo Williams numbers in his cleveland playoff years are bad, but they are still better than what Tony did in 2003. Steve Jackson's numbers look bad too. Duncan carried that team through the playoffs. People can pretend he didn't though.

As you note there really was no second option, even the Admiral wasn't that kind of guy anymore. But they kept winning because every game one of those various guys would get hot from beyond the arc (Jackson, Kerr) or show flashes of the future (Parker, Manu) and they'd get that 15-20 they needed to compliment Duncan.

And the defense as always was stellar.

Plus some timely injuries in the playoffs.

Which is kinda similar to how those LeBron Cavs won so many games. Though Z and Mo were probably more consistent in general.

 

[Vahagn]

.

Cool so, no rebuttal. You can have Shaq and the Dream ahead of Kobe. But as I pointed out, it's not rooted in stats, accomplishments, accolades, or anything other than...well, let's not call it irrational hate. Let's call it love of big men

 

[reilo]

Cool so, no rebuttal. You can have Shaq and the Dream ahead of Kobe. But as I pointed out, it's not rooted in stats, accomplishments, accolades, or anything other than...well, let's not call it irrational hate. Let's call it love of big men

You are throwing a hissy fit about Kobe being named Top 10 player of all time.

All of the dicks, eat them.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

MJ
Russ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Dream
TD
Shaq
Kobe

I'm not mad at this list.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I'm comparing actual facts. Those guys have higher Rpg and Bpg because they are Bigs. Kobe has a higher PPG, APG, and SPG then them.


More consistently great career. As many MVP's, More all NBA Selections Offense and Defense. More All Star Selections. More Chips.


Shaq has one more Finals MVP despite playing with Penny, Kobe, Wade, Nash, Lebron, Boston Big 3. Kobe played with Shaq, Pau. Dwight. Who's had more talent?

Dude, why do you have to "defend" Kobe's "honor" at all costs?

Seriously, who fucking cares?

You make yourself such an easy target...if I was the fan of another team, I would dismantle you with Kobe trolls.

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

I'm comparing actual facts. Those guys have higher Rpg and Bpg because they are Bigs. Kobe has a higher PPG, APG, and SPG then them.


More consistently great career. As many MVP's, More all NBA Selections Offense and Defense. More All Star Selections. More Chips.


Shaq has one more Finals MVP despite playing with Penny, Kobe, Wade, Nash, Lebron, Boston Big 3. Kobe played with Shaq, Pau. Dwight. Who's had more talent?

Kobe has 2 rings as alpha. The others have quite a bit more.

Kobe has 1 MVP.

Kobe has 2 NBA finals MVPs even though he won 5 chips.

Kobe isn't the most productive scorer.

 

[reilo]

At least mama knew what my post was about.

Kobe is literally the most irrationally hated all time great ever.

Gold, Jerry, gold!

 

[benjipwns]

Cool so, no rebuttal. You can have Shaq and the Dream ahead of Kobe. But as I pointed out, it's not rooted in stats, accomplishments, accolades, or anything other than...well, let's not call it irrational hate. Let's call it love of big men

I don't think Kobe would ever stand up to Shaq in terms of stats, and I'm pretty sure he'd come up short against Hakeem as well.

 

[Blackace]

Shaq has one more finals MVP. That's it. Less ALL NBA Selections and played on much better teams.

TD. I've explained that already. and Dream. 2 chips, 2 Finals MVP's. 1 MVP. How is that more impressive than Kobe? Only has 6 ALL NBA First Team Selections. Less PPG, Less APG, Less SPG. Less ALL NBA Defense Selections.

Because anyone who watched the Dream on his run knew without a doubt he was the greatest player on the planet

 

[Vahagn]

You are throwing a hissy fit about Kobe being named Top 10 player of all time.

All of the dicks, eat them.

no...this kind of dumbass response is a hissy fit. What you do regularly.

I'm just responding with listing accomplishments. I get it, you don't wanna get into it because you've been losing arguments all night. That's cool. I understand.


But calling it a hissy fit...classic Reilo.

Kobe has 2 rings as alpha. The others have quite a bit more.

Kobe has 1 MVP.

Kobe has 2 NBA finals MVPs even though he won 5 chips.

Kobe isn't the most productive scorer.

Hakeem has 2 rings as an Alpha. Shaq has 3. That's not "quite a bit more"

They each have 1 MVP. All 3 of them.

I'm guessing you don't know much about Hakeem and Shaq's career?

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

Vagh,

You're behaving in a way that many of the Xbox fans are right now on the gaming side. Except replace Xbone with Kobe.

Stop.

 

[JoeFu]

this thread is now worstgaf. more posts about kobe than the spurs and heat.

 

[MooseKing]

Kobe has 2 rings as alpha. The others have quite a bit more.

Kobe has 1 MVP.

Kobe has 2 NBA finals MVPs even though he won 5 chips.

Kobe isn't the most productive scorer.

Kobe has never been the best player in the league during any season. His MVP award was a gift.