Bam Bam Baklava
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Why would I stop?
Bless us with another Heat in 5 prediction. But if I had to compare this is either like the Cavs/Spurs series or the Heat/Mavs series. Either way Heat/Lebron lose.
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2013 NBA Finals |OT| The "Big 3" looks to hang another banner... against the Heat
- Thread starter reilo
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Why would I stop?
Bless us with another Heat in 5 prediction. But if I had to compare this is either like the Cavs/Spurs series or the Heat/Mavs series. Either way Heat/Lebron lose.
Psychological Intellect
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Where did you hear that? Cause I remember hearing or reading the same thing then someone had to correct themselves and say it isn't what it looks like
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Jack Remington
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If you asked me would I rather see my team win one championship than see the Heat guaranteed not to win this year, then sure, I'd go with my own team.
But you're basically asking if I'd choose to see basketball ruined if it meant that my team could win it all five years from now, with no guarantee of winning another chip after that.
So in this hypothetical scenario, I have the power to directly cause these events to happen? Nah, man, no way I would pick the Heat winning 4 more just so my team could get one. That would just be selfish. The game is more important than that.
obijkenobi
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Here's a hypothetical:
Imagine the role players for this years Spurs and Heat team are exactly the same. In fact, the rosters are exactly the same except for these changes in the big 3:
Heat:
Current Lebron
Prime Wade (I guess this would be how he played against Dallas in the Finals that the Heat won)
Prime Bosh (Raptor days? It's hard to tell with this dude)
Spurs:
Current Tony Parker
Prime Manu
Prime Duncan
Basically, how do you think both teams would do if both of their Big 3's were in their absolute primes. In terms of coaching, I think it would be current Pop and current Spoelstra. I won't give them Riley because he never coached the current Heat big 3
Imagine the role players for this years Spurs and Heat team are exactly the same. In fact, the rosters are exactly the same except for these changes in the big 3:
Heat:
Current Lebron
Prime Wade (I guess this would be how he played against Dallas in the Finals that the Heat won)
Prime Bosh (Raptor days? It's hard to tell with this dude)
Spurs:
Current Tony Parker
Prime Manu
Prime Duncan
Basically, how do you think both teams would do if both of their Big 3's were in their absolute primes. In terms of coaching, I think it would be current Pop and current Spoelstra. I won't give them Riley because he never coached the current Heat big 3
Jack Remington
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obij: 2003 Duncan stomps them.
LeBron is exactly the same, Bosh doesn't change much (I don't think he's lost much physically), but they do get a better Wade. But that better Wade is countered by a vastly superior Duncan and Manu. Spurs sweep.
LeBron is exactly the same, Bosh doesn't change much (I don't think he's lost much physically), but they do get a better Wade. But that better Wade is countered by a vastly superior Duncan and Manu. Spurs sweep.
obijkenobi
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The more I think about it, the more I think you're right. The Heat could barely handle current Hibbert. Prime Duncan could average a triple double against this Heat team.
Psychological Intellect
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with prime wade and lebron the heat would get 50 fts a game. Plus nobody could guard him.
Jack Remington
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Prime Duncan was a lucky Fisher shot away from three-peating. I'm absolutely certain that the 2004 Spurs would have beat the 2004 Pistons.
obijkenobi
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Who is going to guard Prime Duncan on this Heat team? You'd have to double him. And with those spot up shooters he has now.....oh
EDIT: I just imagined prime Duncan and this version of Tony/Prime Manu running the pick and roll. That would have been nuts.
friskykillface
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everyone sweat'n again.
i wish game 2 was tonight
i wish game 2 was tonight
MorisUkunRasik
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And that everyone is how you overrate Prime Wade while underrating one the top 10 players of all time.
Blackace
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Because you are a troll?
Psychological Intellect
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and who would guard prime wade?the heat would have to guys that would completely collapse the spurs defense, and with our spot up shooters........
Duncan would be lucky not to foul out every game with the way wade would attack with reckless abandon.
Duncan is top 10 yes and he'd completely obliterate our interior but I don't think it's a walk over. I'm not saying Heat win or anything.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Lucky? lol
He was also a lucky Dirk 3 point play from three peating. If if's and But's my man.
iamshadowlark
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Lol prime wade with current Lebron would curb stomp the spurs. Please.
friskykillface
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prime Bonner up in this.
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Duncan's never averaged more than 4 assists so either you meant to type double double, or be lucky you aren't a Heat fan for that hyperbole you just put up...
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Duncan foul out?
Only if Joey was reffing
TD would make Wade doubt his manhood
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Yeah you are about done
Spurs choked that series away, and the lakers subsequently got lucky against an injured wolves team.
Lakers shouldn't have been anywhere near the finals that year.
Psychological Intellect
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Might have been exaggerating a little there lol but I don't see a prime wade getting discouraged from attacking the rim. dude was too reckless/stupid.
prime wade could get hot from outside at times though. I don't like playing the what if game but eeeeeeh.
obijkenobi
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Duncan averaged 24.2 points, 17.0 boards and 5.3 assists against the Nets on 03. This years Spurs team is a much better 3 point shooting team AND he'd get Prime Manu and current TP. Averaging a triple double was probably a little much, but I could see him notching one or two.
iamshadowlark
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Wade has given the spurs like 30 almost everytime since like 05. And that was a chip year.
Edit: it's getting pretty flipping obvious that nobody here remembers how good wade used to be. Idiots are claiming he's still in his prime for fucks sake.
That was against the New Jersey freaking Nets man. I'm haven't even looked it up but I am fairly certain their center rotation was T-Mac and some other scrub and maybe Kenyon at times. The Heat would get shit on for sure but not worse than the '03 Nets lol
wait what the fuck I forgot Mutombo was a Net, wtf? ok never mind
obijkenobi
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I'd rather have Kenyon back then (10 years ago!) defending Duncan than Joel Anthony, Birdman, current Haslem, or Shane Battier (LOL)
I suppose Bosh could do it, but I think Prime TD destroys him too
theignoramus
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A league with a shred of integrity would keep Crawford away from Spurs games, much less a Spurs game in the Finals. Let there be shady business from Crawford tomorrow night tho. With twitter, youtube, facebook, etc I feel like the backlash against the league will be sharper, focused and more intense than it wouldve been a few years ago. (when Bennett Salvatore was reffin the Finals, being a shady piece of shit.)
iamshadowlark
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How often do Bron and Wade show up in the same series? Wade showed up against Mavs, Bron didn't. Bron showed up against Chicago, Wade didn't.
And this was the one year you even think Wade was in his prime. There hasn't been an ECF or Finals series where they both average 28-30.
You seem to think Wade would average 35 like this is 06 Mavs or something. Pop would figure out how to slow one of them down, especially with Prime Duncan in the back line.
No one's ever been as good at manipulating the officials as Wheelchair Wade. Truly the great one.
Good thing Prime Wade never lost in the first round as a 1st seed with the league's best record
obijkenobi
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You made a good point about Tim. His mid range game is much better now compared to his 03 version. So you lose some of that, but gain a much tougher defense (esp with Prime Manu) and a much stronger post game. Big men who can defend post games are pretty much extinct in the NBA now.
Miami got swept in the first round in 07. C'mon son.
I'm pretty sure everyone here is in agreement that Duncan in his prime would take a turd over everybody, since he's the been the best player of the 2000s
They were the 4th seed
But yeah same thing, sure
iamshadowlark
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2011 wade was the last year you could even attempt to say wade was in his prime. By prime wade I assume you mean the year he outshined everyone in the Olympics and went on to torch the league. Please you put way to much faith in pop.
Wade used to fucking dance around Duncan's paint like he wasn't even there.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
04 Pistons would've won the series
If that 05 team pushed it to 7 the 04 would've won in 5.
IRC, the 05 Pistons has the best record in the league for 3/4th of the season.
If I listened to Heat-Age I'd boil Wade's prime into this:
2006 Finals, 2009 season, 2010 first round against Celtics, 2011 Finals.
Get it, your dude is injury prone and inconsistent - that doesn't change how an athletes prime is defined
If Thibs could slow down Wade in 11, and Carlisle can slow down Lebron in 11, Pop can slow down one of them with Leonard and prime TD.
Spurs easily.
Prime Manu was a flopper like no other. Prime Bosh wouldn't even hold his own against 37 year old Timmy. Prime Timmy would easily put up 40/20 against this current Heat squad
I am Michael Bolton
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He's not in his prime. He MAY have been in the last year of his prime in 2011. He wasn't in his prime last year nor is he prime Wade this year. Dude, stop.