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2013 NBA Offseason |OT| Already Planning for the 2014 Offseason
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Syphon? Come on, no way.
GhostWriter24
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Noah > DHow
MorisUkunRasik
Member
LOLnets
Sho nuff, Basileus.
ThisWreckage
Banned
If Cuban is smart he'll be better off trying to build a very balanced team just like the one that won a title. All of these superstar teams are vastly overrated (outside of the Heat, but it took them one season to jell). I'd rather have my team function like the Grizzlies than the Clippers. Dirk is still capable of scoring 20+ points a game on efficient scoring. If they can pair him with a legitimate second scoring option and some defenders they're going to be right in the race.
Yeah because building team like that can be fast, Grizz need like what, 3-4 year?
Team that have a lot of potential like GS and houston probably take same amount of time..
More Dirk good year that Dallas waste, poor guy.
Future PhaZe
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Super teams are 50/50 in terms of success. Knicks and Lakers failed (injury woes/declining mostly) and the Heat and Celtics chipped.
I think a Cp3/Dwight/Dirk core probably chips if Howard returns to form and Dirk only slightly declines.
Red Blaster
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celtics weren't really a superteam, all those guys were in the declining stages of their careers and had a very short window as a result. and really, the miami superteam worked because lebron improved quite a bit since cleveland where he was already the mvp
with the mix of punitive taxes + teams like the nets and lakers failing maybe we'll see less organizations try and make superteams
Future PhaZe
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Nah, Celtics were definitely a super team. The numbers those guys were putting up before they sacrificed for boston were pretty nuts...25+ PPG for both Ray and Paul and 22 and 13 for KG.
They didn't go into thinking the window was going to be open that long, but they were definitely a super team.
They didn't go into thinking the window was going to be open that long, but they were definitely a super team.
Ninja Scooter
Member
That Celtics trio in 07 were probably closer to their primes than Nash and Gasol were this year.
Gasol isn't far from his prime, he is just used wrong and wasted while others jack up hilarious shots.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
The Lakers have had more than a few super teams...
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
I was thinking about this a bit over the last couple of days, but it's kind of weird that Danny Green got no interest in free agency and now Ben McLemore is going to be a top 2 pick and is getting compared to Hall of Fame players despite being incredibly similar to Green. NBA teams can be weird about who they hype and why.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Knicks had a superteam? When?
Future PhaZe
Member
Eh, with the way Amare was playing without Melo it seemed like it could be that but yea they arent
ThisWreckage
Banned
They've got a ton of money to spend and that cures all woes. They're entire starting line up outside of Dirk will likely be different next year.
Gasol aged in dog years because of his international play
And he was on the way down after that Orlando finals too.
Black Mamba
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Gasol's best season was arguably 2011 up until the playoffs hit where he hit a fatigue wall.
But Gasol was carrying the 2011 Lakers most of the season and put up his best numbers.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Pierre Jackson said:
I can talk myself into Pierre Jackson for the Jazz's 2nd pick now.
do you not remember his Brooklyn net avi
Yeah, but he wasn't serious.
CoffeeJanitor
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sup loserbros
how go the tears
how go the tears
He looked great not even ayear ago in the olympics. Pau still has some in the tank, maybe a little more than Kobe after his injury too
ThisWreckage
Banned
Gasol was LA's best player in the playoffs. It's not his fault that Pringles insisted on using him as a jump shooter even after Kobe went down. I think he's a hell of a player that got lost in the shuffle due to coaching changes and Dwight Howard eating into his post play.
Future PhaZe
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Gasol is a C. He won chips as a C, closed games as a C. He's a terrific post player and a great passer, skills that are almost irrelevant when playing around the free throw line.
I'm not sure where he goes from here. I still would love him in Sota, getting the ball inside as the primary C and kicking out to Love would work great. Defensively they'd be average to bad, but better to be great at one thing than to be average to subpar at another.
I'm not sure where he goes from here. I still would love him in Sota, getting the ball inside as the primary C and kicking out to Love would work great. Defensively they'd be average to bad, but better to be great at one thing than to be average to subpar at another.
LegendofJoe
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Any bets on the team to make the largest jump next year? My money is on the Zards.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
wizards, yeah. Their record was good after Wall came back, they'll make the playoffs if they don't tank.. Depending on what Houston does, the Rockets could be a top 5 team in the west next year.
Future PhaZe
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Wouldn't be surprised if Nene missed half the season--his comments about considering retirement over pain and playing through injury don't sound like something that magically gets to 100% through an NBA off-season.
If that happens and Webster misses time like he usually does we could be looking at spot in the lottery again.
If that happens and Webster misses time like he usually does we could be looking at spot in the lottery again.
CreepingFear
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Edit: Wrong thread
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Timberwolves. Believe.
Squall ASF
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Funny, argued with Bobcat gaf last off season over who'd get the #1 pick and after signing Dragic and Scola, thought we'd be out of it. Now it's up to the magical lottery to see who gets it. Too bad that was when you guys hyped Shabazz to hell and I desperately wanted him. Not the prodigy everyone made him out to be coming out of HS.
Season went almost perfect. Dragic was very solid and is only getting better (with no fucking weapons, too) while at the same time, the team still did terrible which is what we need for these next few years to rebuild. The only thing that got fucked up was the stupid Lakers making the playoffs when everyone knew the ass pounding they would take in the first round. Blanks got fired and now we can hope for a semblance of a real GM except that you can never be overly optimistic with Sarver at the helm. PJ Tucker was a pleasant surprise and a solid role player.
Next year is supposed to have much better players at the top and we should get one of them as despite the cap space we have, there isn't anyone worth blowing it on where we need it most and a rookie won't be enough to turn it all around. Would have to hope we land McLemore and that he pans out.
Speaking of which, now that the season has ended, who do you guys like in this draft? Who's the consensus best player? Most mocks for a long while have said McLemore.
Season went almost perfect. Dragic was very solid and is only getting better (with no fucking weapons, too) while at the same time, the team still did terrible which is what we need for these next few years to rebuild. The only thing that got fucked up was the stupid Lakers making the playoffs when everyone knew the ass pounding they would take in the first round. Blanks got fired and now we can hope for a semblance of a real GM except that you can never be overly optimistic with Sarver at the helm. PJ Tucker was a pleasant surprise and a solid role player.
Next year is supposed to have much better players at the top and we should get one of them as despite the cap space we have, there isn't anyone worth blowing it on where we need it most and a rookie won't be enough to turn it all around. Would have to hope we land McLemore and that he pans out.
Speaking of which, now that the season has ended, who do you guys like in this draft? Who's the consensus best player? Most mocks for a long while have said McLemore.
Clippers will make the largest jump
to the bottom of the western conference once Paul leaves
Gasol can still play, but the issue with aging isn't a deterioration of your skills, especially if you're the type of guy that doesn't rely on athleticism, it's that your body starts breaking down.
His Hamstrings have been consistently bothering him, he's lost much of what little lift he has, he could easily miss about 20 games next season, and play injured and below is normal level for another 15. He'll be Championship Gasol, but only for about half the season.
Same thing with Dirk, when he's fully healthy or close to it, he's about 90% of what he was. But he's been experiencing more and more injuries and it's bringing his play down.
His Hamstrings have been consistently bothering him, he's lost much of what little lift he has, he could easily miss about 20 games next season, and play injured and below is normal level for another 15. He'll be Championship Gasol, but only for about half the season.
Same thing with Dirk, when he's fully healthy or close to it, he's about 90% of what he was. But he's been experiencing more and more injuries and it's bringing his play down.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Dirk has been extremely durable. I have no idea what you're talking about, really. He had a knee surgery in the off season and the recovery was longer than expected. And he even admitted that he came back too soon. That was the first major injury of his career and he rarely misses extended time.
Squall ASF
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How so?
He was "out of shape" for like the first third of last season. And didn't play like half of this season. And wasn't really back to his consistent production until about 60 games in.
If you wanna call that "extremely" durable. Go ahead. Unless of course you're talking about over his career...in which case, you completely missed the point.
While we're at it let's argue that Nash has been extremely durable too.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I guess it depends how you define biggest jump but I'll go with Utah. Shedding Millsap + Jefferson. Will get their actually good players more playing time and maybe they can spend that money on some guards who don't suck.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
I think Nash's year in LA really shows how outstanding the Suns med staff is.
ThisWreckage
Banned
You can't say a guy isn't durable because he had one major knee injury. Look at how many games he played prior to that. There's no reason to believe that his knee is permanently fucked or anything either. He doesn't have ankle or back issues either. It's not like he relies on quick cuts or driving to the basket either. One of the reasons why his productivity was down was what kind of team he was on too. He was playing with almost a completely new team composed of one year contracts. There's no reason to believe that he will have a laundry list of injuries like Nash or Gasol. Hell, as far as I know, he's never had issues with his ham strings or anything either. So you're wrong.
Did you read up on how it happened?
Even outside of all of the absolutely horrendous dealings from the ownership and FO, Gentry proved to be a damned good coach given he had nothing to work with and an entire culture of nodefense/fuckitoffense to change.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Bobcats should go after Gentry.