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[Black Mamba]

Complete bs being spewed right here. There are far worst player in the league such as douglass and novak. novak is not even close to barg. Barg is great on offense and can score from multiple places. He will give more space for melo as well.

Barg is great on offense based on what? His career below average Efg% and TS%? His 103 Orating? His below average OWS/48? His terrible Oreb rate? The fact that he has nearly 200 more turnovers in his career than assists?

Let's say when healthy he's at best a below average offensive player. On the flip side he is the worst rebounder in the NBA when you factor in height. That might not be as big a deal if he was a 6'3 PG but he's fucking 7 feet. You cannot have a 7 footer rebound historically awful. To make matters worse he's the worst help defender in the NBA, yes worse than Lee and Amar'e. I know Knicks fans have watched Lee and Amar'e and assume it cannot get worse. Oh what a surprise is in store for you. Bargs has his head turned the wrong way on half of the plays. On the plays he does see what's happening, he just gives up and stands still. At least Amar'e occasionally comes over for the block and lee at least goes over for the rebound, Bargnani will just smile and do nothing else.

During Bargs arguably best offensive year, the Raptors were slightly better on offense when he played (and Bosh was on the team playing alongside him). Oh, but their defense was historically awful compared to just below average when he was on the bench.


So yes, when you have a 7 footer who is both the worst defender and rebounder among bigs in the NBA and doesn't even score at average efficiency, he is the worst player in the NBA. A guy like Monta Ellis who is basically the same is at least short and can rely on others to cover for him at times. Bargs is that cover and he is the worst.

Now, guys like Beasley and Rivers and Wes Johnson may be worse. But at least they aren't making $10 million.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

The injuries effected him. novak couldn't even make open 3s anymore. I'll give you cope,he is great on offense but his defense also needed work. Barg can play defense man to man which novak couldn't do.

his shitty team defense completely eliminates his mediocre man defense

Barg is great on offense based on what? His career below average Efg% and TS%? His 103 Orating? His below average OWS/48? His terrible Oreb rate? The fact that he has nearly 200 more turnovers in his career than assists?

Let's say when healthy he's at best a below average offensive player. On the flip side he is the worst rebounder in the NBA when you factor in height. That might not be as big a deal if he was a 6'3 PG but he's fucking 7 feet. You cannot have a 7 footer rebound historically awful. To make matters worse he's the worst help defender in the NBA, yes worse than Lee and Amar'e. I know Knicks fans have watched Lee and Amar'e and assume it cannot get worse. Oh what a surprise is in store for you. Bargs has his head turned the wrong way on half of the plays. On the plays he does see what's happening, he just gives up and stands still. At least Amar'e occasionally comes over for the block and lee at least goes over for the rebound, Bargnani will just smile and do nothing else.

During Bargs arguably best offensive year, the Raptors were slightly better on offense when he played (and Bosh was on the team playing alongside him). Oh, but their defense was historically awful compared to just below average when he was on the bench.


So yes, when you have a footer who is both the worst defender and rebounder among bigs in the NBA and doesn't even score at average efficiency, he is the worst player in the NBA. A guy like Monta Ellis who is basically the same is at least short and can rely on others to cover for him at times. Bargs is that cover and he is the worst.

Now, guys like Beasley and Rivers and Wes Johnson may be worse. But at least they aren't making $10 million.

let me save syphon the trouble

 

[Syphon Filter]

He was shitty before the injuries and his man to man D sucks. More importantly for a C, his help D is LULZ.

He will play the 4 near tyson most likely. man to man he wasn't that bad come on. Before the injures at one time he avg 21 points.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Did I just read this.

Compared to bargs, Cope is prime Pippen.

 

[DY_nasty]

I love the "But he was hurt!" reasoning.

Dude's been trash his whole career.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

He will play the 4 near tyson most likely. man to man he wasn't that bad come on. Before the injures at one time he avg 21 points.

Help D matters at the 4 too and if 7 foot Bargs isn't playing minutes at 5 behind Tyson...who is? They have no one else.

 

[Syphon Filter]

mamba spinning like crazy to complement his argument and morris exaggerating.

 

[Black Mamba]

Help D matters at the 4 too and if 7 foot Bargs isn't playing minutes at 5 behind Tyson...who is? They have no one else.

It'll be Amar'e and Bargs at the 4/5. Which is which isn't relevant.

But those 2 playing defense together, I'm wondering if it will push 120 DRTG for that unit. It's seriously in sight.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Help D matters at the 4 too and if 7 foot Bargs isn't playing minutes at 5 behind Tyson...who is? They have no one else.

I expect them to get someone else for tyson.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

mamba spinning like crazy to complement his argument and morris exaggerating.

Exaggerating? By saying Bargs' man to man D sucks? LOL

 

[Cornbread78]

so, as of today, who are our top 5 contenders to land Wiggins?

 

[Psychological Intellect]

I expect them to get someone else for tyson.

knicks aren't getting anyone for Tyson when they will possibly have amare,kenyon or bargs to sub for him.

 

[Syphon Filter]

knicks aren't getting anyone for Tyson when they will possibly have amare,kenyon or bargs to sub for him.

We don't know if kmart stays. If he does then he backs up tyson.

 

[Black Mamba]

mamba spinning like crazy to complement his argument and morris exaggerating.

I made this exact same argument years ago to Trax.

Even he turned around his opinion.

 

[giri]

Exaggerating? By saying Bargs' man to man D sucks? LOL

You are exaggerating.

It's nothing like sucks.

For it to suck it would have to exist.

 

[linsivvi]

I see that Dion Waiters is quietly having another stellar shooting game.

 

[diehard]

I see that Dion Waiters is quietly having another stellar shooting game.

that rim hasnt been real quiet.

 

[masud]

Yawn. Lets just wait for the season to start.

 

[linsivvi]

that rim hasnt been real quiet.

Kyrie dies a little inside with each sound the rim makes.

 

[masud]

Anyone know where I can watch the last two Knick summer league games?

 

[diehard]

so this player is on nba.com's box score:

G. Ayón

he's 3-4

edit: dang they fixed it

 

[Forever]

He's just a Nets fan trolling that he was a Knicks fan.

This is an interesting theory. You can believe it if you want.

It'll be Amar'e and Bargs at the 4/5. Which is which isn't relevant.

But those 2 playing defense together, I'm wondering if it will push 120 DRTG for that unit. It's seriously in sight.

I might actually watch some Knicks games next season just for this.

 

[DY_nasty]

Lakers-age, I present to you... hope

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...r-Most-Skilled-High-School-Center-In-20-Years

 

[giri]

Lakers-age, I present to you... hope

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...r-Most-Skilled-High-School-Center-In-20-Years

Don't the suns have their un-protected 2015 pick?

 

[Forever]

Lakers-age, I present to you... hope

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...r-Most-Skilled-High-School-Center-In-20-Years

I kind of hope that Lebron, Kobe, and Wiggins all end up on the same team soon. Would be funny.

 

[SamuraiX-]

"Oh no question. I'm going to show him everything I learned and then also Vasquez (will show) me what he's learned. So we're just gonna help each other get better and know at the end of the day that it's about this team getting better and trying to win as many ball games as we can."

"It’s just another battle. And may the best man win the position. If they want to have it like that then we’re going to go to battle each and every day. Those are my teammates but I’m fighting for a position just like they are. Every time you’re losing, when you’re not making the playoffs everybody’s position is up for grabs. They’re going to try to bring in new guys at each position. I’m 5-9 – I know what they’re doing – 5-9 guys aren’t supposed to be in this league. I’m just going to keep working, keep battling. Like I told Coach Malone, you can bring whoever you want in here it’s going to be a battle each and every day. I’m ready for it. Vaquez, McCallum are some great guards, we’re going to have fun and make each other better."

Man, I love Isaiah so much.

This is exactly what I hoped his mentality would be after we acquired Vasquez and RayMac and he's not disappointing.

Inspiring model individual and model teammate right here.

 

[linsivvi]

Don't the suns have their un-protected 2015 pick?

Top 5 protected in 2015. The Suns will get the pick anyway, the Lakers aren't going to tank after free agency next summer.

 

[giri]

Top 5 protected in 2015. The Suns will get the pick anyway, the Lakers aren't going to tank after free agency next summer.

Damn. Though i guess a top 10 pick to go with our top 4 will be nice enough.

 

[thekad]

Damn, Parsons was an 18/5/4 player on 61%TS in the last 30 games of the season. He's a completely off-ball guy, but he might be a lot better than I thought and only 24. Can't wait to see what he does next season with even more wide open shots.

Makes 1/10 of what Bargnani does btw

 

[SamuraiX-]

Lionel Hollins is still pretty sour over his firing.

He's on NBA TV tonight and he has this "fuck everything" expression on his face and in the way he talks.

 

[giri]

Damn, Parsons was an 18/5/4 player on 61%TS in the last 30 games of the season. He's a completely off-ball guy, but he might be a lot better than I thought and only 24. Can't wait to see what he does next season with even more wide open shots.

Makes 1/10 of what Bargnani does btw

Being off ball is actually a really good attribute. Shouldn't really be mentioned as a negative, but regularly is in the NBA.

My only thing is, he really needs to lift defensively. But eh, we'll see soon. He was a late draft pick though, wasn't he?

Lionel Hollins is still pretty sour over his firing.

He's on NBA TV tonight and he has this "fuck everything" expression on his face and in the way he talks.

I can't blame him, but at the same time, he had flaws he refused to address. /me shrug.

 

[Forever]

Hide yo coaches, hide yo free agents. Proky buying everyone out there.

K.C. Johnson, the respected Chicago Bulls beat writer, says the Nets are among those teams interested in Ron Adams who until July 1 was Tom Thibodeau's top assistant, then was canned unceremoniously by GM Gar Forman. Forman who has declined to say why he let Adams go. Among the other teams interested: the Thunder, Spurs, Celtics, Pacers and Clippers.

The Nets already have five assistant coaches to help Jason Kidd in his transition from player to head coach: Lawrence Frank, lead assistant and possibly the highest paid assistant coach in NBA history; Roy Rogers, big man coach with the Nets, Celtics, Pistons and now Nets again; John Welch, George Karl's righthand man in Denver (whose hiring has yet to be announced); Eric Hughes, a player development specialist who last worked in Toronto; and Doug Overton, the only assistant retained from the Avery Johnson era. They also have strength and conditioning coach, Dr. Jeremy Bettle.

Dennis Scott of NBA TV said at the end of Thursday's game that the Nets were looking to hire one more assistant for Kidd and it that's accurate, they could do a lot worse than Adams. He served as lead assistant to Scott Skiles during his stint in Chicago; Scott Brooks in Oklahoma City and then most recently on a series of one-year deals with the Bulls. He has been praised for his development work and has excellent relationships with his players.

 

[Omega]

just wanna say, fuck trying to get mods to work in 2K13 on PC. i think it was ph33nix that said it was dumb but i didn't think it was this stupid.

 

[Nori Chan]

Lakers-age, I present to you... hope

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...r-Most-Skilled-High-School-Center-In-20-Years

And with the 2nd pick in the 2015 draft, the Charlotte hornets select....Jahlil Okafor

 

[Blackace]

Lionel Hollins is still pretty sour over his firing.

He's on NBA TV tonight and he has this "fuck everything" expression on his face and in the way he talks.

I think I would be bitter too

Not like they brought a big name to replace him

 

[LegendofJoe]

Loved what I saw from Cody Zeller yesterday, put on a complete package showing. Dribble driving with both hands, shooting, passing, man2man defense, rebounding, good situational awareness, etc. It is going to be sooo damn refreshing to see him on the court in place of he who shall not be named.

 

[Blackace]

Loved what I saw from Cody Zeller yesterday, put on a complete package showing. Dribble driving with both hands, shooting, passing, man2man defense, rebounding, good situational awareness, etc. It is going to be sooo damn refreshing to see him on the court in place of he who shall not be named.

Z-Rex

 

[ph33nix]

just wanna say, fuck trying to get mods to work in 2K13 on PC. i think it was ph33nix that said it was dumb but i didn't think it was this stupid.

you talking about the scoreboards and some rosters yeah? for the scoreboards you have to disable 2k from ever going online cause the game online update will override it. and some rosters just flat out crash. i tried applying the fixes some people commented on, but failure

there are some 'global' mods that fucked my game and forced me to re download cause I didn't back up files, so be careful about that

game is still a disgraceful piece of shit on PC and they didn't deserve more than six bucks from me

 

[Eleuin]

Smh at anyone defending bargs for anything

He sucks, that's it

 

[LegendofJoe]

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Smh at anyone defending bargs for anything

He sucks, that's it

For what he's paid absolutely. Brandon Wright is just as good as Bargs, and he makes 1/10th of what Bargnani makes.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Z-Rex

Even though it has a pejorative origin I still like it better than this Indiana nickname - the big handsome.

 

[Smokey]

Being off ball is actually a really good attribute. Shouldn't really be mentioned as a negative, but regularly is in the NBA.

My only thing is, he really needs to lift defensively. But eh, we'll see soon. He was a late draft pick though, wasn't he?

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Yeah, a 2nd round pick. Speaking of parsons I think he's supposed to be on first take this morning or sometime this week. Dude has been getting all kind of shine this summer.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Loved what I saw from Cody Zeller yesterday, put on a complete package showing. Dribble driving with both hands, shooting, passing, man2man defense, rebounding, good situational awareness, etc. It is going to be sooo damn refreshing to see him on the court in place of he who shall not be named.

The thing I liked the most about him was the hands.

Being able to snatch a ball up in traffic is huge because it's not like pass lanes are wide open in the NBA. If your big can't catch then it's a negative of 6+ ppg right there without even thinking about what else he can do.

 

[diehard]

Yeah, a 2nd round pick. Speaking of parsons I think he's supposed to be on first take this morning or sometime this week. Dude has been getting all kind of shine this summer.

G-TIME gonna be the best white boy next year.. admit it.

 

[Smokey]

G-TIME gonna be the best white boy next year.. admit it.

Parsons is now the great white hope of the league bro

 

[diehard]

Parsons is now the great white hope of the league bro

psssh i bet he cant even rap

 

[LegendofJoe]

The thing I liked the most about him was the hands.

Being able to snatch a ball up in traffic is huge because it's not like pass lanes are wide open in the NBA. If your big can't catch then it's a negative of 6+ ppg right there without even thinking about what else he can do.

If you noticed that you probably noticed the exact opposite in Biz, his hands are awful. I'll be shocked if he ever averages more than 8 a game.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Not understanding why there's all of a sudden this big market for Greg Olden.

It's just gonna be like Brandon Roy trying to resurrect his career all over again.

 

[ph33nix]

looks like oden won't take the minimum eddy-curry like contract from miami

 

[Future PhaZe]

Whats the status of Odens knees anyway? I know about several microfracture surgeries but what specifically is the situation with his meniscus?