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2013 NBA Playoffs |OT3| Don't believe the pipe
- Thread starter reilo
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I'm glad to see you're completely misinformed. Yes, a 21 year old Kobe who played with a prime Shaq wasn't the leader. A 27 year old Kobe was though. Tons of people who've played with him over the past 8 years rave about his leadership skills. He shoots less FGA a game than Jordan. The difference in FG% is essentially almost all due to the increased 3 point attempts which is why their eFG% is only 2% different and their TS% is only 1.5% different...and the increased 3's are a trend the ENTIRE NBA has evolved into.
As for teamwork, he averages just as many assists per 36 minutes as Jordan.
Your version of Kobe is about as real as Clint Eastwood's version of Barack Obama
Syphon Filter
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You scared i see.
what?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Jordan career ORtg: 118
Kobe: 112
That's a pretty huge gap in efficiency that would be larger without the Wizard years.
Though Kobe did have to play through 2000-2004 which was tougher defensively than Jordan's era by a decent bit.
Kobe: 112
That's a pretty huge gap in efficiency that would be larger without the Wizard years.
Though Kobe did have to play through 2000-2004 which was tougher defensively than Jordan's era by a decent bit.
What happens when you take out his first two years as a teenager playing 10-15 min a game?
Edit: I know because when I've taken those two years out and used 15 years of starting minutes his ppg jumps up like 2 or 3 ppg if I remember correctly
Lol @ using Wizards Jordan's stats. Prime Jordan is literally better at everything than prime Kobe and it's a marked difference.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Kobe's rookie year was pretty bad efficiency-wise, but his second year's ORtg was nearly the same as all of his other years. Taking out Kobe's first two years and Jordan's last two would make the gap bigger for Jordan.
got it
Psychological Intellect
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you ok?
I am Michael Bolton
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Mr.Kad, I was looking forward to being your protege' but this is something I'm finding awfully difficult to support. Mind explaining your reasoning? Perhaps I'm just missing what you see.
lol. He made a good point. I'm surprised Kobe's ORTG was actually 110 in his second season.
If we're going to debate Jordan being better than Kobe, I won't debate that - Jordan's the best ever.
trolling Kobe is kind of his thing here. Don't take him seriously
good job cloving
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Randomly looking at all-time greats ORtg's, Dirk's 117 ORtg and 118 playoff ORtg for his career is just incredible.
I am Michael Bolton
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And yet just one ring.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
And it'd be zero if it wasn't for Jason Terry.
Syphon Filter
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At least he got it on his own.
Dirk's playoff ORtg is worse in 2010-2011 than the previous 3 seasons.
If that was me, I would pause for a second and wonder how valuable that stat really is
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I am Michael Bolton
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He won it during a year in which Miami was at it's weakest. Dirk sure did well last year and this one.
Syphon Filter
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Excuses. They had 3 stars and Dirk was the only one on his team.
ThisWreckage
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In no way is KG better than Dirk. Dirk will very likely surpass KG and Jerry West in scoring this year. Look at the Dirk's playoffs stats. Look at the fact that he has a Finals MVP and an MVP.
Psychological Intellect
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what avi do you want after the heat win the next two games?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Dirk was more efficient in those runs and they lost because his teammates sucked (they had Dampier at center and Josh Howard/Caron Butler as second options, Terry was far worse). His playoff ORtg is lower in 2011 because his FG% was lower, his offensive rebounds were much lower, and his turnovers were higher, are these stats not valuable? (115 is still great and the other runs were over a short period of games as well so this is even more nonsensical than it seems)
To suggest that Dirk had a better post season individually in 2009 than in 2011 is nonsensical. There's no way two ways about it
Justin Timberlake
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RIP Best-GAF
We had a good run
We had a good run
I am Michael Bolton
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Why not?
ThisWreckage
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Jordan is a moron. I have no faith that one of LA's assistant coaches is going to do a better job than Dunlap. He is clueless when it comes to finding talent and coaches.
I am Michael Bolton
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Or like watching Dwayne Wade trying to play defense without flopping.
am I doing it right?
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
I am Michael Bolton
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But between games what else is there to talk about if you're not a fan of the four remaining teams?
Psychological Intellect
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bill simmons going off on the duncan love
Justin Timberlake
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theignoramus
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I liked all the shots at Kobe and Shaq during that narration.
Yeah, thats the thing. It would have been so epic without simmons.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
draft/trades/Dwightmare 2/coaches sent to die
ESPN has that same video package for Duncan during the 07 Finals..just a new voiceover
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Thats because he sounds (and looks like) Stevie from Eastbound and Down
TheDarkKnight774
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Hahaha good lord the griz PA. What is this mess??!
Oh shit lol
Justin Timberlake
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Yeah, its annoying a piece about Timmy was tainted with celtic and kobe/shaq/garnett talk
TheDarkKnight774
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So like every topic the espn countdown crew does.
Justin Timberlake
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I feel sorry for this espn crew
MEM's PA is drowning them out
This is a trainwreck
MEM's PA is drowning them out
This is a trainwreck
Dirk and KG have been better players for their career. They have just had worse teammates.
Psychological Intellect
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jerryd bayless is gonna go off tonight, no more fucks for mini Boozer!
I am Michael Bolton
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I have to disagree with you here my friend. Also Kobe's peak was greater than both of those players.