Eh, SHIELD is going to last a couple more seasons for sure, corporate synergy and all that.
I hope it never bursts, also no one is forcing you to see the movies/series.
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2014-15 TV Cancellations: Under the Dome canned, what will CBS do with CG cows next?
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jamesinclair
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My crow tastes suitably bitter, as Flash beat my prediction by almost 38%
But you work on Helix?...
Also, I reject the heathen spelling of SciFi
That's not Syfy.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Not anywhere close to be in trouble. And you don't have to be ashamed of being a fan brah.
Forever numbers make me sad. Probably the most precise, refined and fully developed procedural I've seen so early on. Love the whimsical nature of it too.
FTFY
NotTheGuyYouKill
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What do you mean by quality tv?
Arrow and Flash are quality TV, so that is already two out of five. Constantine hasn't debuted so we don't know about that.
ftfy
wait what?
Ramsey decided to retire the show for now. Still have Hell's Kitchen, Masterchef, Masterchef Junior, and Hotel Hell.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Whoa, The Flash did a lot better than I expected. Kool.
#SLAY
I haven't seen it but I've heard good things.
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#SLAY
I haven't seen it but I've heard good things.
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dead souls
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Yeah, there's spin, and then there's the ABC press release from today. I burst out laughing when I saw it.
PHOENIXZERO
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I guess I should've stuck with my "it'll do better than Arrow" prediction which I put up on KSite with it doing at least a 1.5 as my original demo prediction here along with 4.5M viewers and toned down my hopeful demo number to be more in between the 1.5 and 2.2. Still had no doubt it'd do better than Arrow's 1.4 and 4.1M viewers. Do wonder where it'll adjust to when DVR numbers are factored in. EDIT: Actually when I was thinking of my expectations I was considering a 1.8 since that would've been around double what Arrow was getting around last season along with their number of viewer numbers being something like 2.25M or so which was how I arrived at 4.5M, dammit.
But who's laughing now?
WarrenMax007
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I wasn't going to watch it, but now i will.
Jest Chillin
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Nostradamus making a prediction?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
beat
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But there's more hours of original TV than ever before thanks to the ongoing splinterization of the audience.
I know right, they could fit at least 5 more NCIS and CSI spin-offs in that.
Especially with Netflix, Yahoo, etc. getting into the game. The hours of original TV are theoretically limitless now.
PHOENIXZERO
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Looks like Forever might be meeting New Amsterdam after all... In TV cancellation hell.
Smallville during its first couple seasons averaged between 6-8M viewers, granted that was on the WB but still The Flash's ratings aren't a record, The Vampire Diaries debuted higher from what I see and so did 90210.
Nice it's getting closer to my "hopeful" prediction, I wonder where it'll end up when DVR numbers are included.
Smallville during its first couple seasons averaged between 6-8M viewers, granted that was on the WB but still The Flash's ratings aren't a record, The Vampire Diaries debuted higher from what I see and so did 90210.
Nice it's getting closer to my "hopeful" prediction, I wonder where it'll end up when DVR numbers are included.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Don't say that brah. Really enjoying Forever. It understands how to bled procedural elements with its premise so well....Looks like Forever might be meeting New Amsterdam after all... In TV cancellation hell.
Smallville during its first couple seasons averaged between 6-8M viewers, granted that was on the WB but still The Flash's ratings aren't a record, The Vampire Diaries debuted higher from what I see and so did 90210.
Nice it's getting closer to my "hopeful" prediction, I wonder where it'll end up when DVR numbers are included.
Sleepy Hollow and Agents of Shield have reached into the 4 million territory. Those are both extremely low. Even Grimm on Friday nights do better. Almost Human was canned at around 6 million viewers per episode.
Is it safe to say these shows are done for? :/ Gotham is already in the low 6 million range too. Scripted tv in these genres are really bombing this year. MUCH more so then last year.
Good to see that the Flash and Supernatural did well for the CW at least. I guess there is that.
Is it safe to say these shows are done for? :/ Gotham is already in the low 6 million range too. Scripted tv in these genres are really bombing this year. MUCH more so then last year.
Good to see that the Flash and Supernatural did well for the CW at least. I guess there is that.
Harry's Law got canceled on NBC and it was averaging 8 million viewers in its second season. Total viewers don't matter.
NCIS get's like 15 million, but 70% of them are old people who advertisers don't give a shit about. Total viewers means nothing, it's the age of the viewers that matter. Also I just think this is how network tv is now days. People just don't watch live tv anymore.
I don't think I've ever watched a CW show. I haven't watched it yet but I DVRed Flash and plan on tuning in live the rest of the season when I can if it's good.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I guess I should've stuck with my "it'll do better than Arrow" prediction which I put up on KSite with it doing at least a 1.5 as my original demo prediction here along with 4.5M viewers and toned down my hopeful demo number to be more in between the 1.5 and 2.2. Still had no doubt it'd do better than Arrow's 1.4 and 4.1M viewers. Do wonder where it'll adjust to when DVR numbers are factored in. EDIT: Actually when I was thinking of my expectations I was considering a 1.8 since that would've been around double what Arrow was getting around last season along with their number of viewer numbers being something like 2.25M or so which was how I arrived at 4.5M, dammit.
But who's laughing now?
Still me:
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I bet CW does another DC superhero show next season.
PHOENIXZERO
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Hours Left
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Great to see The Flash do so well.
Now we got SHIELD, Arrow & Flash all sticking around for the foreseeable future. I'm a happy nerd today.
Now we got SHIELD, Arrow & Flash all sticking around for the foreseeable future. I'm a happy nerd today.
Tragicomedy
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The TV rating paradigm has shifted so much in the last decade that I don't believe total viewers really matters anymore. The networks care exclusively about advertisement dollars, and that's the age group that determines whether a show lives or dies. The more expensive the show is to make, the harsher the scrutiny.
That Flash rating is crazy.
That Flash rating is crazy.
No one cares about total viewers. Even when it comes to DVR and streaming and VOD, demos rule.
Tragicomedy
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So my uninformed follow up question: Are there "new" baseline expectations set in reality? I imagine most people are like my family, and only watch sporting events live. Everything else goes to the DVR for convenient commercial free viewing.
beat
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Total viewers hasn't mattered for decades, at least. It's been 18-49 for a long time, ever since I started following TV, though I think CBS might have made 25-54 their metric since they skew older and advertisers know what they're buying when they buy ad time on CBS shows. And CW might actively focus on 18-34 instead of 18-49.
Missing all the best shows bro!
In the meantime, you can watch the two and sadly only two seasons of The L.A. Complex.
Maybe. I don't know and I dont watch too many shows regularly. My wife watches a ton of different shows so usually if the tv is on I'm half paying attention to her shows (The Good Wife, Scandal, Greys Anatomy, etc.) and half messing around online. I pretty much demanded to dvr Flash...a very rare occasion.
ConfusingJazz
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In the meantime, you can watch the two and sadly only two seasons of The L.A. Complex.
They made it to two seasons?
AngmarsKing701
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Even when we watch a show live, like TWD, we start it 18 minutes in. That way we forward through the commercials and still finish "on time."
Maybe. I don't know and I dont watch too many shows regularly. My wife watches a ton of different shows so usually if the tv is on I'm half paying attention to her shows (The Good Wife, Scandal, Greys Anatomy, etc.) and half messing around online. I pretty much demanded to dvr Flash...a very rare occasion.
Lots of good CW stuff for you to catch up via backlog then, and probably stuff your wife could dig, too. Some of the shows my wife and I have enjoyed watching together most have been CW shows like The Vampire Diaries and The Carrie Diaries. All the diaries!
They did, and it was amazing.
Tragicomedy
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Right, so who are the networks fooling with their Nielsen numbers? Nobody is watching the ads. Even "live" viewers are leaving the room to grab a drink or use the restroom. People pause the live feed all the time and fast forward through the commercials when they get back.
Basically, the proliferation of DVR technology makes me wonder why advertisers trust any of the ratings other than during a live event.
Because that's not how ratings work. No one can see when someone leave the room during a commercial, but you can track what commercials are watched by Nielsen families. It's called the C3 rating and its how ad rates are set.
If you want to learn more, there's an entire section on TVByTheNumbers dedicated to this.
ConfusingJazz
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Also, when did Cassie Steele turn 35?
AngmarsKing701
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This is what I don't get. Who watches commercials?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
The only way to do it.
Lots of people. More than you'd think. It's kind of boggling, really.
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