Huh? What convention has it broken?
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2014 Australian Government Budget |OT| Throw some debt on the barbie
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Huh? What convention has it broken?
Elaugaufein
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I'd guess he's referring to Cabinet Document Confidentiality (released Labor cabinet documents to the Pink Bats Inquiry IIRC).
Looks like he was just hanging low and waiting for the right time to go all in and boy did he go in hard.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
It was me.
Nice. It's now on my FB feed
Haven't contributed to this thread as all I have to say in regards to this government is four letter words, but this is perfect.
Wow, that's nothing. conservatives are proposing cutting 100000 people in Ontario (Canada).
The doctor co pay is going to backfire, I think. It is better to identify the problem early than facing a chronic disease.
I think sooner or later all developed country will have the retirement age increased though, it is inevitable. Good luck fighting for jobs if you cannot afford US style university fee.
There's nothing wrong with increased retirement age so long as people are living longer and healthier, and have ample warning.
There needs to be allowances for job history factored in to this though, as well as medical history, and a cultural change for employers to hire and retain people.
That last bit though seems in complete contrast to the economic impetus these days to have a casualised workforce. So there needs to be a push back for permanent, secure jobs if retirement ages increase as retraining older people can be difficult.
There needs to be allowances for job history factored in to this though, as well as medical history, and a cultural change for employers to hire and retain people.
That last bit though seems in complete contrast to the economic impetus these days to have a casualised workforce. So there needs to be a push back for permanent, secure jobs if retirement ages increase as retraining older people can be difficult.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/05/16/labor-needs-to-lock-in-voter-perceptions-of-the-government-now/ (Paywalled)
Apparently Joe Hockey challenged Chris Bowen to a debate on the budget. Bowen accepted, Hockey then backed down immediately.
Apparently Joe Hockey challenged Chris Bowen to a debate on the budget. Bowen accepted, Hockey then backed down immediately.
heh, chickenshit.
freefornow
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The Murdoch Media empire would go into triple overdrive to ensure that Libs would win.
Christopher Pyne:
"Bill Shorten has been talking about wicked budgets and unconscionable behaviour, and trying to whip up a storm in the community, the Education Minister told a media conference in Adelaide on Saturday."
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Hearing a Liberal minister complain about someone 'whipping up a storm in the community' after their last years in opposition is just too much for me. I'm gong to need an afternoon nap.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...f-assaulting-julie-bishop-20140517-38gfa.html
Milne, Palmer and Di Natali have all done good work these last few days.
"Bill Shorten has been talking about wicked budgets and unconscionable behaviour, and trying to whip up a storm in the community, the Education Minister told a media conference in Adelaide on Saturday."
Lanoireicanteven.gif
Hearing a Liberal minister complain about someone 'whipping up a storm in the community' after their last years in opposition is just too much for me. I'm gong to need an afternoon nap.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...f-assaulting-julie-bishop-20140517-38gfa.html
Milne, Palmer and Di Natali have all done good work these last few days.
shanshan310
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roosters93
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That is amazing.
edit: This came up in my FB Newsfeed, it blows my mind that an MP (or his staff) are using Buzzfeed.
We’re Back. Five Best And Worst Moments In Parliament For Budget Week. - Tony Burke
edit: This came up in my FB Newsfeed, it blows my mind that an MP (or his staff) are using Buzzfeed.
We’re Back. Five Best And Worst Moments In Parliament For Budget Week. - Tony Burke
I saw this on the news tonight. What the fuck, really.
cheezcake
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Is anyone actually going to attend the protest tomorrow?
http://www.marchaustralia.com/march-in-may/
http://www.marchaustralia.com/march-in-may/
Haha, yeah, that quote is just unbelievable. I shook my head so hard it started to create its own gravitational field.
It's consistent with Warren Truss saying that pensioners are busy enjoying cruises and the luxuries of the high life.
Curry night at the local bowlo is as luxurious as it gets for my ol' Nana.
Christopher Pyne: "It's incomprehensible that in Australia today students would think that's [Protesting at Julie Bishop at UTS] a reasonable way to behave, especially when the Government is introducing measures that expand equity so that more students will have the capacity to go to university."
What the actual fuck, Pyne?
What the actual fuck, Pyne?
roosters93
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Urban Dictionary is my favourite dictionary
shanshan310
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So wait, you guys (American here) only have one non-public news station and its owned by Murdock? Bit confused on the dude though. He seems like a pro-business guy based on the policies of his that I wiki'd, but anti-liberal party. Where does this guy fit? Actually liked him in the interview, but then I looked at some of his party's policies, and I was like, eh...
Also, where are the left-right strongholds in Australia? In America, its the North and the Pacific Coast and the urban centers. Kinda curious how that all plays out in Australia.
Aarglefarg
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There's not really a good reason for more than two Australian 24-hour news TV channels. The public (government-owned, editorially independent) one is very good and its public status shouldn't discount it.
Clive Palmer is a bit unpredictable. I was surprised by him being good in that interview.
There's an urban(left)-rural(right) divide. Also between rich suburbs and poorer suburbs.
It's amazing how many people in the media laugh Clive Palmer off, but then the guy drops some massive truth bombs and shit that just makes sense. If it wasn't for the fact his image is that of a wacky billionaire, people would think he is legit PM material.
Palmer is interesting. You've summed him up pretty well to be honest. He used to be part of the Liberal Party and broke off due to their pandering to special interests. If you think of him as the disenfranchised middle right. He's not Tea Party levels of crazy. You've picked up correctly on his wild inconsistencies derived from the obvious irony of a billionaire mining magnate standing up against special interests. That interview you've mentioned had exactly the same effect on everyone else here. "What???? Clive Palmer making sense!"
Murdoch owns our Pay TV provider Foxtel (Has Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN, FOX etc Sky News is the only Aussie one I think) and most of the newspapers (Around 70%, it moves around depending on who you ask). There are 3 free to air commercial TV channels and two public SBS and ABC. Digital TV has allowed them to have multiple channels, I don't watch TV, but I think the ABC is the only 24hr news channel. Even if they do the ABC smashes them all anyway. Polling always shows the ABC by far and away our most trusted news source. There's a fair amount of national pride found in the ABC.
For your last question on how conservatives and progressives split across the country geographically, it's a lot more complicated here. It's no where near as neat as the North/South generalisation of the US. I could talk about it for a page and end up contradicting myself a dozen times. You can kind of think of us as the US rotated 180 degrees. It's not as neat though as we don't have the geographically polarising history of a Civil War. Our racism is spread evenly.
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A More Normal Bird
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Clive Palmer was a member of the Liberal Party until last year. The guy's a mining billionaire and thus was able to forge a political party out of nothing in a manner of months and not only get himself elected but also a number of key senators. I think he believes he can capture the moderate right if the Liberals continue down their current path.
As for the left right divide, Queensland and WA are pretty strongly right wing, with the other eastern states (plus S.A, though it does have a strong Christian base) being roughly centred. The ABC produced this map during the last election, using online responses to see how each electorate viewed a number of key issues.
Maybe I am reading iit wrong because hat map makes it seem that Australia, in general, is conservative since the regions basically agreed on most things, its just the degrees of agreement/disagreement that were different. I am kinda surprised, but I guess that explains your conservative govt.
And the majority of people in Australia want to remain in the commonwealth? As an American, I find that so weird...
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A More Normal Bird
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You may need to zoom in, most of the electorates are located in the cities and thus are rather small physically; the map is coloured relative to the national average so unless you're seeing large areas of white there's no nationwide agreement.
Also, remaining in the Commonwealth isn't the same as retaining the monarchy.
Ah, didnt realize I could zoom
I know, but isnt the head of the Commonwealth the Queen of England? I find that bizarre
Yeah, but she's completely hands off in our system of Government. She is represented by Governor General who is appointed by The Queen on recommendation of the Prime Minister.
Does Australia gain some benefit from this Commonwealth?
I'd say closer ties to other countries in the Commonwealth. But apart from that no. We're autonomous like all other members of the Commonwealth are now. It's pretty much just a reflection of history at this point.
Aarglefarg
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Continued participation in the Commonwealth games is something people seriously suggest, though we'd still be able to take part.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/40010.html
Other than that, it's mainly inertia and it's difficult to agree on specifics of a republic system.
Also a lot of people like the Queen (various people have said we'll revisit becoming a republic after she dies).
Box of Bunnies
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It gives us another big sports thing to compete in and a lot of people here like sports.
I'm pro-republic but don't really care either way about the Commonwealth. It's just kinda "sure, whatever."
I guess I find it strange that you are paying people a salary (I am assuming) to maintain a symbolic tie with and symbolic subservient status towards Great Britain. I don't think I will understand so we can just drop it after this or when you respond (if someone feels it needed). Not to mention that I got you guys off-topic
We're not paying any more salaries than we would if we were a Republic. The Governor General is our (effective) head of state, that position would still exist if we were a Republic. Replace the Governor General with a President and we're done.
roosters93
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Most politics talk on Facebook is vapid, depressing at the lack of knowledge displayed and just shit but I saw this the other day and felt it was pretty spot on.
Had 1592 fb shares at the time of posting.
Also found one of the best Facebook pages ever: The Simpsons against The Liberals.
Had 1592 fb shares at the time of posting.
Also found one of the best Facebook pages ever: The Simpsons against The Liberals.
We have 5 "channels" (since digital TV they each operate 3 or so actual channels). The three public ones are all owned by different media companies and then we have a public broadcaster and a special interests public broadcaster for foreign news and content.
The problem is that News Ltd owns the biggest newspapers in every state, and in some (like mine) they own the ONLY newspapers. So they wield a lot of power by the pervasiveness of their front page headlines alone.
Although one of the arguments from monarchists is that having an elected head of state, which the president would inevitably be given the failure of 1999, would fundamentally change the nature of the system. The idea being that the current GG is apolitical, but an elected president could never be, especially if they gained party endorsement.
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A More Normal Bird
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I think the real concern about abandoning the monarchy is what to do with our currency. Do we switch to whole new designs and phase out everything with the Queen's head on it? I'm not sure I'm ok with robbing our future generations of the joy that comes with folding the $5 note in just the right ways. You know the ones I mean.
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