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2014 NBA Jan |OT| Raymond Felton attempts to eat a Knicks Fan
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Black Mamba
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Actually, it's $80 million. Gotta include this year. But you're right, so Dragic and Conley get in for me. The extra spot could go to Dwight or Parker, I suppose.
The Frankman
Banned
Fun Fact #2: Out of the players who have played in at least half of their teams games this season, only 3 of the top 25 leaders in touches per game are NOT point guards. Kevin Love (8th), Blake Griffin (17th) and
Yes.
gets more touches per game than LeBron, Durant, George, Melo and Harden (and mostly every other non PG in the league.
...
Dy.
Explain.
Josh McRoberts (23rd).
Josh McRoberts
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Dy.
Explain.
Mcroberts is their best passer. Offense frequently goes through him at the elbow.
He's gonna finish first in something now?!
I'm not surprised. Every time I'm watching Bobcats games, the dude always have the ball in his hands a good portion of the possessions.
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Dirk Nowitzki is the 6th player in NBA history to score 26K points with one franchise. He joins Malone, Bryant, Jordan, Olajuwon, Havlicek.
who?
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Last night, Kyle Lowry had 33 points, 11 boards, 7 assists. Lowry and Kevin Durant are only players with multiple 30-10-5 games this season.
#contractyear
Dirk Nowitzki is the 6th player in NBA history to score 26K points with one franchise. He joins Malone, Bryant, Jordan, Olajuwon, Havlicek.
who?
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Last night, Kyle Lowry had 33 points, 11 boards, 7 assists. Lowry and Kevin Durant are only players with multiple 30-10-5 games this season.
#contractyear
Dude, you're not really using individual ORtg to judge a player, are you?
Especially when he's 83rd in this ranking:
Future PhaZe
Member
If he thinks he'll be miserable then he might as well take it
He was a one and done player who's got a ton of endorsements already.
There are guys who have lost a lot more money than he would just by staying in college for four seasons.
And the Cavs really are in awful shape. They'll probably overpay Deng this summer, offer Kyrie a max and then overpay Tristan the summer after--there's really very few ways for them to get better right now.
Before cavs age slits their wrists I actually do think it'd be a great place for LBJ so long as Gilbert agrees to move Grant. Luring him would be tough but LBJ could easily win a chip there.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
You won nothing. Go back to my arguments, I said that Utah could end up with a better record because the Lakers intentionally won't play their best players.
Well guess what, they're intentionally not playing Kobe, Farmar, Blake, Henry, and on occasion Pau.Kendall Marshall is starting ffs!.
Farmar and Henry are both below replacement level going by WS/48 and Kobe is coming off a career ending injury. Not sure one injury to a relevant player (Blake) means much when Marshall is exceeding his production as well.
You argued that the Jazz were certainly the worst team in the league as well (or at least, other than maybe Philly and Phoenix) while I thought they would be the 7th/8th worst.
edit: Most of the guys on that ORtg list that make it look dumb are guys who have played like 20 minutes and taken a couple of shots. ORtg is sometimes a better measurement for efficiency because there are a few players who have high TS%s but aren't efficient because they're turnover machines.
Dominican Power
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tracking.si.com/2014/01/30/nets-will-target-kevin-durant-in-2016/
Until clown gilbert sells the team the cave will be a joke just like the Knicks will be till Dolan sells.
Top down leadership
LiveFromKyoto
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#shouldbeallstaryear
Dude, you're not really using individual ORtg to judge a player, are you?
Especially when he's 83rd in this ranking:
Why not? It's a good measure of how much a player produces, including FTs, without usg.
Even if you filter out the scrubs, he's nowhere to be found:
Future PhaZe
Member
If you can create a big three, GM work basically goes out the window--you basically just need a numbers guy at that point.
If LeBron can bring a guy like Bosh or Melo to pair with Kyrie, the roleplayers will be climbing over bodies to get to Cleveland, just like what happened in Miami and Boston.
It's all about what LeBron wants of course. I think the Cavs are a great option if he wants to leave for a number of reasons, but I only think he leaves if Wade is close to done, which I think might be possible. I don't think it has anything to do with if the Heat chip or not this year.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Going off the "how much does a rookie season matter" thing from yesterday, vjl did a statistical breakdown of it:
http://www.canishoopus.com/2014/1/30/5361738/lottery-picks-early-returns
Older players that aren't pretty good right away have a very slim chance of stardom (though there some extreme outliers like Malone). Young players that produce at all to start their career generally don't bust (as in, being bad, not in underperforming expectations). Bust is defined as not reaching 2.5 WS in a season during their prime, Star as 10+ WS in prime.
http://www.canishoopus.com/2014/1/30/5361738/lottery-picks-early-returns
Older players that aren't pretty good right away have a very slim chance of stardom (though there some extreme outliers like Malone). Young players that produce at all to start their career generally don't bust (as in, being bad, not in underperforming expectations). Bust is defined as not reaching 2.5 WS in a season during their prime, Star as 10+ WS in prime.
Haha, love that gif.tracking.si.com/2014/01/30/nets-will-target-kevin-durant-in-2016/
EDIT:
No shit, you get paid close to $9 million/year. It's utterly ridiculous if you had complained after last night.@KendrickPerkins said:
ratcliffja
Member
His bench-sitting was MVP-caliber.
friskykillface
Banned
Because if your teammates suck, your Ortg will be low no matter what.
It's also influenced by the style your team plays. Even your edited list is laughable since there's no player in the league right now better at offense than Durant and Lebron.
ratcliffja
Member
In 2016? I don't see all 3 staying on the Heat by then.
friskykillface
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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Individual ORtg is not team on-court ORtg (which will certainly be influenced by teammates) and is different from individual DRtg (which is 80% team defensive rating and individual defensive statistics-both of which are really rough for judging defense). It's just an efficiency stat (that Melo rates more highly in than TS% because he gets offensive rebounds and doesn't turn the ball over).
Umm yeah you're right. Damn you and your stats!
Perk's so valuable that he won us the game without even playing.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Though Melo's 113 ORtg this year is great for a high volume guy and is comparable to that of prime Kobe and better than most of Duncan's prime years so I'm not sure I follow LFK's argument based on this stat.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Perk does all kinds of amazing things on the court!
BTW, I've come to terms with the fact that he'll probably retire in a Thunder jersey. We'll probably keep him on the roster as a backup to Adams when his contract expires after next year. Honestly, I'm fine with that as long as he's truly the backup and we only pay him $2-3 million/year.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Down the highway, not across the street.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Uhh...
I'm not saying that contract year, on his meds, playing on a team in remission Kyle Lowry is a superstar.
I'm just saying that he's the closest thing to god there is other than LeBron and Durant.
I'm not saying that contract year, on his meds, playing on a team in remission Kyle Lowry is a superstar.
I'm just saying that he's the closest thing to god there is other than LeBron and Durant.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Maybe you should link that gif K Jack.
ratcliffja
Member
Well he'd be great for D'Antoni's system, but do they really want to go after a player to fit a coach that likely won't be there another 2 years?
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Surely the Suns are prepared to pay him a max contract by now.
Rumours are they're ready to fire d'antoni after the season.
But he's a RFA, so it seems pointless to go after him "hard". i.e. base your off season plans around him.
Particularly with the suns having a vested interest in the lakers being bad next year.
I think they'll pay him the max if they have too, but they're not overly convinced he deserves it and would much rather sign him for around the 4 yr 40M mark than 4yr 55M mark.
ratcliffja
Member
It could be the Suns that are leaking it, but it would be weird to do so since it might drive up Bledsoe's price. Maybe they are looking to test the trade market but want to see what else is out there.
Uh, why would the Suns know about it? It's not a trade and Mitch isn't allowed to talk to Bledsoe either.
Will the Celtics be able to give Melo the max this summer? Say they trade Bass to the Blazers for expirings or easily dumped young players and use the stretch provision on Crashed, aren't they a better fit for Melo than the Lakers. They can use Green and picks to grab Sanders and redo the summer of 2007 but majorly downgraded with Rondo, Melo and Sanders as the big 3 and Bradley and Sullinger doppleganging young Rondo and Perkins.
And they'll still have an actual franchise player coming in with their own first round pick.
And they'll still have an actual franchise player coming in with their own first round pick.
I don't think it's coming from the suns. They were ready to ship dragic to keep bledsoe.
Unless the knee injury is worse than is let on.
Future PhaZe
Member
If the Suns want him why haven't they extended him?
There are two other guys potentially on the market that are similar players in Lowry and Isaiah and Bledsoe is coming off knee surgery. If they wanted to get him on a good contract, the time is now.
There are two other guys potentially on the market that are similar players in Lowry and Isaiah and Bledsoe is coming off knee surgery. If they wanted to get him on a good contract, the time is now.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Well, he did have the meniscus removed.
The suns offered around what i said from rumours. Which at the time, was more than reasonable as he'd never been more than a back up. But he declined and gambled that he'd go injury free and put up All Star Numbers.
Which is why they became more hesitant to trade Dragic, coverage for Bledsoe.
Yeah. There's lots of that going around. There could be a bunch of these hyper athletic guards missing a lot of time over the next few years with big $ going no where.
YNB is the other one that comes to mind. Rose...
ratcliffja
Member
I misread it as looking to get him in a trade. I guess they're going to go after him in free agency.