The losses in gaming performance was marginal. They'd have to lose 10% performance on affected CPUs to drop to Zen4 levels.
13th Gen is clearly the faster gaming architecture than Zen4, despite using a much worse node. There's no arguing it.
BTW, my 13600K didn't lose performance. I actually gained efficiency since the latest BIOSes seem to reduce my power by around 25% with no performance loss... I have headroom for overclocking if I wanted, but I instead undervolted and have much better efficiency than the reviews you see online.
Loses will depend on the CPU itself. You probably know that there is a good amount of variance in CPU quality production.
This is why some 14th and 13th gen had no issues with crashes due to high power limits, and others had issues.
So in the same way, some will clock just as well with the new lower power limits. But other, being of lower silicon quality, will suffer more.
It's good that you got a good sample. But not everyone is as lucky.
Considering these losses, Intel's 14th/14th gen gets very close to Zen4.
And that is not even considering the 3DVcache variants.
How is it a ridiculous statement when its true, without V-Cache AMD would not have beaten Intel in gaming in 2023.
I'm not taking anything away from 7800X3D, its the fastest gaming CPU in 2023, but it loses in 2024.
And Zen5 will likely lose again compared to Arrow Lake, since AMD will not have both 3D and node advantage in 2024. If they had one, maybe they could tie Arrow Lake, but without either, slim chance for AMD to come out on top.
The 7800X3D is still the fastest CPU in the market. More so with Intel's new power limits in place, reducing clocks speeds.
At this point no one knows if Zen5 or Arrow Lake will be the best CPUs in the market. Not even Intel and AMD know that, since they are keeping their cards close.
And most surely, nor you, nor I, know which one will win. So please, don't bother with claiming the win for Intel at this point in time.
I know, I had one. That CPU was a beast for its time. And they could do it again in the future with Adamantine L4 Cache.
But Intel doesn't need V-Cache to have the fastest CPU.
7800X3D has a paltry 5.0 boost speed. If Intel turned the clocks down to match that, it would not be anywhere near 400W and you know this...
Of course I know Intel CPUs would not consume 400W if they were not pushed as hard with clock speed.
But then it would be as fast as 12th gen and normal Zen4. And it would lose a by an even bigger margin against the 3DVcache parts.
The reality is that Intel needs to clock their CPUs so high to remain competitive. And power usage be damned.
And you know very well that Intel does not have the fastest CPU for gaming. That is still the 7800X3D and 7950X3D.