boxoctosis
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Well I'd hope so. But what can you do if someone wants to wander into a crowded open area and blow themselves up. What a fucked up world we live in.
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22 dead, 59 injured in Manchester Arena explosion (Being treated as an attack)
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Well I'd hope so. But what can you do if someone wants to wander into a crowded open area and blow themselves up. What a fucked up world we live in.
NullPointer
Member
I dunno it may be another northern town. Fuck I'm actually worrying about where I'm going now...
killer_clank
Member
If they had any intelligence there was a plot it would be cancelled immediately.
NYCmetsfan
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My guess is they fear some sort of conspiracy or group and they believe they might act rashly or activate dormant plans because they fear being caught.
I don't think they have evidence of any specific plot, just the idea that others might want to do something before they can't.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
The military is being deployed? When did that last happen.
boxoctosis
Member
They didn't appear to have any intelligence about last night. Suggest it was organised away from channels GCHQ can spy on.
Lord Frieza
Member
Yeah, I don't really understand what he means
Happens quite a lot for varying situations. It's usually if the police are stretched, which I imagine they are.
I feel like this stuff gives some people in this thread a bit of a hard-on, like they feel like they're a part of an intelligence team by posting in this thread.
Just take the news as it comes and stop jumping to conclusions and trying to work up the situation to be more emotional/stressful as it already is.
The Hamburglar
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I'm not saying he travelled to Syria.
Doesn't change that British born people flew to Syria, fought for Isis and we let them back in and monitored them.
Pankratous
Member
Apologies if it's not really the place to but this interested me in the BBC article about the terror level going up:
Isn't this backwards? Don't the military outrank the police when it comes to order of command?
Isn't this backwards? Don't the military outrank the police when it comes to order of command?
BossDarkseid
Member
Yes, but from details it seems last night was someone who was susceptible to influence rather than some battle-hardened terrorist from overseas...basically there might not be a tonne GCHQ could do : /
If they get credible intelligence that would pose a threat it'll be called off, but otherwise they're not going to.
jamieson87
Member
NBC reporting that the man arrested earlier was the attackers brother.
Yet again NBC quoting US officials on details that have yet to be reported from any UK media outlets.
Loose lips from US intelligence. I doubt their UK counterparts will be pleased.
Yet again NBC quoting US officials on details that have yet to be reported from any UK media outlets.
Loose lips from US intelligence. I doubt their UK counterparts will be pleased.
Audioboxer
Member
This. As also said the level will have gone up for all public services and security to prepare accordingly. Our forces do great work, I'm sure they'll be working diligently to stop any threats.
Yet again NBC quoting US officials on details that have yet to be reported from any UK media outlets.
Loose lips from US intelligence. I doubt their UK counterparts will be pleased.
Wouldn't it make sense that the US is scooping the UK where our intelligence is concerned?
AcademicSaucer
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Man, you are having a lot of trouble showing that image
The police already have protocols in place for managing large scale events like that, the military don't. So it just makes sense.
BossDarkseid
Member
UK counterparts have already complained that the US are leakier than a busted faucet, nothing will come of it though.
jamieson87
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The point is to keep them under the civil chain of command. They're a helping hand, but we're not some tinpot dictatorship triggering martial law.
Wow, no kidding. I'm not usually one for poetry but this is electrifying.
I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet, but that moment when he mentions 'the girl from Moss Side' was incredible and made me feel so proud of how tolerant our society can be at it's best... I could feel myself starting to tear up.
AcademicSaucer
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boxoctosis
Member
Have a read of this.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...he-civil-authorities-for-activities-in-the-uk
This bit is pertinent.
Military assistance is provided on the basis that the relevant civil authority retains responsibility for, and control over, the situation and/or emergency. Military personnel on UK operations remain under a military command structure.
His Majesty
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my condolences and sympathies to everyone involved, Manchester and the whole of the UK
I think our agencies may be more cautious with giving the US sensitive info around the case. Atleast I hope so.
boxoctosis
Member
Sure. To be clear I'm not casting aspersions at our intelligence community, more I know the government wants to spy on everything we do. If they had access to WhatsApp for instance would it have prevented this? Anyway, now's maybe not the time for this one.
The country is a fucking mess, it makes me quite sad.
Why the *fuck* are USA government officials leaking to the American press about an ongoing terrorism operation in the Uk? That's how the guys name got out in the first place, and now the details on the arrest?
What the fuck is wrong with these people? We're suppossed to be your damn allies?
What the fuck is wrong with these people? We're suppossed to be your damn allies?
I know right. It's infuriating and dangerous.
Edit I'm surprised at American media being so reckless too.
I can tell you as someone who works for a University and handles United States Citizen documents of our students - Universities are very aware of how leaky the USA is with confidential information.
No idea about our security forces though.
MonorailCat
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Scousefury
Member
Tereasa May has a hard on for a police state. This is just phase 1. In fact no, the snoopers charter was phase 1, fuck lot of good that did clearly. I would rather live under the threat of terrorism than sit back and watch civil liberties be eroded by a right wing totalitarian government for my "safety".
BossDarkseid
Member
Same.
Oh, I know. Didn't mean to sound accusatory, sorry if I did. It's too easy to do whatif-isms etc about these sorts of things. And...surveillance will perennially be a complicated issue because there's the GCHQ/MI5 + 6 PoV vs others. But yeaah, as you said..not the time.
AcademicSaucer
Member
That is also what gives you all those juiciy Trump leaks, that shit doesnt have an on/off button.
American media is all about the ratings.
They'll claim everything if that means they get the attention
plagiarize
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I didn't know they'd announce more than two.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I talked about this last night and agree. I understand why the UK would share with the US in the first instance but now it seems to be a domestic-based attack why the need?
Especially with everything being leaked all day....
jamieson87
Member
Absolute lack of respect for an ongoing investigation. Completely understand the need to share intelligence with our allies, but to then divulge that information to the press when the UK press has not released any names yet really pisses me off.
BBC just said a 28 year old man has also died.
I mean they possess the ability to distinguish between sensitive information on an ongoing terrorism case and a idiot president trying to cover up shit.
It's not a valid excuse.
Ravensmash
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What?
ferrasvansen
Member
Yeah when the news broke about the little girl, my heart sank. I had seen the messages on twitter looking for her and hoped so much she was maybe in a hotel or something for people separated. Realising she was one of the victims, I really struggled to hold back the tears. In fact seeing all the missing messages has been heartbreaking all these poor people worrying for loved ones, only to find out they are gone is so wrong. What an awful world we live in right now, so much bloodshed of innocents.
Mr. Blonde
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edit:dp by accident, my apologies
relevant links that address the errors that result in the 'bogus' two percent figure though:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of...n-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/loonwatch-94-percent.aspx
tl,dr for the links:the two percent for EU(and another article that says 6% worldwide) have questionable methodologies for defining a terrorist attack
relevant links that address the errors that result in the 'bogus' two percent figure though:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of...n-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/loonwatch-94-percent.aspx
tl,dr for the links:the two percent for EU(and another article that says 6% worldwide) have questionable methodologies for defining a terrorist attack
FortuneFaded
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The mother of the 8 year old is critically injured in hospital and doesn't know the news yet.
This is the second time you've made this post word for word. Wtf?
See my and others replies on the previous pages
Scousefury
Member
What? I don't want the army on our streets. You see it France and it does not make you feel safer. The police is stretched to thin? Well her government dropped police numbers due to cuts so its her fucking fault!