"24" || Day 5 || 10:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. (Hour 16)
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Grizzlyjin
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Link said:
The only hole I see is Walt Cummings...and that is a pretty big hole.
Baron Aloha
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Link said:
Exactly. The Nina twist didn't make any sense (it really falls apart when you watch the last few episodes of season 1 back to back, she does a bunch of stuff a 'mole' wouldn't do) and neither does this one.
I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it.
The worst kinds of twists? The ones that make EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAPPENED MAKE NO SENSE. It's one thing to bring in a character with ulterior motives, but Logan has been emotionally wishy-washy the entire season, and his actions have always been influenced by others. I refuse to believe that could have all been an act; it doesn't make any sense. Yes, technically, it all could have been some sort of elaborate ruse; but it seems extremely far-fetched for Logan to be behind this whole patriotism crap.
They better damn well explain this, or they're in for some beatdowns.
And this is similar to Nina...and similarly makes little sense.
The worst kinds of twists? The ones that make EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAPPENED MAKE NO SENSE. It's one thing to bring in a character with ulterior motives, but Logan has been emotionally wishy-washy the entire season, and his actions have always been influenced by others. I refuse to believe that could have all been an act; it doesn't make any sense. Yes, technically, it all could have been some sort of elaborate ruse; but it seems extremely far-fetched for Logan to be behind this whole patriotism crap.
They better damn well explain this, or they're in for some beatdowns.
And this is similar to Nina...and similarly makes little sense.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Logan falling apart during the attacks actually does make sense though. remember, the terrorists were suppose to get the gas, take it to their main base of operations, and then Logan would flip the switch and kill all the baddies. His wife almost dying, the Sunrise Hill mall attack, and everything else was not part of the plan.
The only real issue is Walt Cummings, unless Logan was putting on an act so Walt wouldn't know everything.
The only real issue is Walt Cummings, unless Logan was putting on an act so Walt wouldn't know everything.
PotatoeMasher
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Walt's death almost certainly seems suspect now...
IAmtheFMan
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Matlock said:
:lol
So um... can someone explain to me, in light of this twist... I'm confused. I think this makes less sense then Nina right now. I'm having trouble putting together the pieces of where Cummings and the Russians fall into
Logan's
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Matlock said:Not really.
Since it's over and all I'm going to jettison spoiler tags!
Logan was in charge of Henderson
Henderson was in charge of Nathanson
Nathanson was in charge of Cummings
The chain of command was seperate enough that it didn't connect the two.
Then that pretty much ties it up. I can't really see any other plotholes now. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than Nina...
Everything up to now is just Henderson and Logan covering their tracks.
Kai Dracon
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MIMIC said:
It's true, Logan did a damn good job of looking like an idiot. In a way, it's the oldest trick in the book - appear as the fool while actually being the mastermind. But it was pulled off /really/ well here, I think.
Anyway, now it's JACK VS EVERYONE. It's /on/.
IAmtheFMan
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Matlock said:Not really.
Since it's over and all I'm going to jettison spoiler tags!
Logan was in charge of Henderson
Henderson was in charge of Nathanson
Nathanson was in charge of Cummings
The chain of command was seperate enough that it didn't connect the two.
Aaah... forgot about Nathanson. I think that makes more sense now.
I thought actually the big reveal would be Secretary of Offense Heller, but I guess he's TOO likeable of a character to do that to.
I still don't think it makes logical sense for Logan to be taking part in this mission. How long has it been going on for? What was its main objective? Why did they draw Jack back into the field? Why is it in his best interest as President to more or less take earlier facets of his personality and them turn them up to 11 to scare everyone around him. Was the plan based around the Vice-President's thirst for power; did they anticipate his actions and plan things accordingly?
My major problem with this is that all of a sudden the Sentox was an afterthought, in more ways than one. It REEKS of Season 2, where a major threat just suddenly disappeared, revealing a government conspiracy. There is a distinct lack of connection between Henderson and the Sentox. However, as much as perhaps Logan's actions now have context to a certain extent, they were still entirely within his existing character. There was nothing that made those actions stand out, or appear different than they actually were. Therefore, we are now in a situation where we have a storyline that has been secondary coming to the forefront. If this does not have a viable conclusion, it's Season 2 all over again. And that, for me? Not so good.
My major problem with this is that all of a sudden the Sentox was an afterthought, in more ways than one. It REEKS of Season 2, where a major threat just suddenly disappeared, revealing a government conspiracy. There is a distinct lack of connection between Henderson and the Sentox. However, as much as perhaps Logan's actions now have context to a certain extent, they were still entirely within his existing character. There was nothing that made those actions stand out, or appear different than they actually were. Therefore, we are now in a situation where we have a storyline that has been secondary coming to the forefront. If this does not have a viable conclusion, it's Season 2 all over again. And that, for me? Not so good.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
IAmtheFMan said:
Pretty much everything in Day 5 has been against Logan's plan. He didn't plan on the terrorists attacking US soil. The original plan was for the terrorists to take the nerve gas to their base, and then the US would double cross them and set it off once the gas arrived. But the terrorists found out about the double cross, and once they realized that they couldn't get the gas out of the US and to Moscow (their original target), they decided that they would attack the US.
Of course there was that brief deal where they wouldn't attack if Logan gave over the Russian President's location, but of course that fell through.
Right now Henderson and Logan are just trying to shut down everyone that knows about the plot. Jack included...
Escape Goat
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i suspect that
is the real puppet master.
Kim Bauer
Oldschoolgamer
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Well...DAMN!
You got Solid Snake Bauer AND Sam Fisher Palmer in one effin episode. Chloe looked like she was going to kick ass, and
Now.
Team Kojima & Ubisoft need to voltron together and make us a 24 game.
You got Solid Snake Bauer AND Sam Fisher Palmer in one effin episode. Chloe looked like she was going to kick ass, and
the main baddie is the president himself. It is believable though. The chain of command, and how the way things worked out, made it extremely believable that the President was indeed behind all of this. I would say well done, on throwing me off about it, the majority of the season. As for the vice president...come on...I KNOW, no one in here didn't suspect something shady didn't happen.
Now.
Team Kojima & Ubisoft need to voltron together and make us a 24 game.
this twist does make more sense than Nina's, FOOLS. Go back and rewatch the shows knowing Logan's "the man"
I mean, 1st episode, the phone call that Mike gets telling him Palmer is DYED. Look at the facial expression Logan makes over his shoulder! LOOK AT IT!
I mean, 1st episode, the phone call that Mike gets telling him Palmer is DYED. Look at the facial expression Logan makes over his shoulder! LOOK AT IT!
Oldschoolgamer
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Preview Spoilers!
I like how Bauer gave the FUCKING TANKS the " WHAT NOW FACE!" It was like, he stared out and gave them the, "BITCH PLEASE" look!"
Fucking Badass!
Fucking Badass!
Kaijima said:
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist
Though, I really don't buy it. This season has been a mess. Horrible plot holes all over the place. How did they know jack was still alive? China? Hello where are you?
And yes, I will agree that the whole Nina twise in season 1 was fucktarded
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
koam said:
That first one needs to be fucking explained, or I will be very pissed. They Michelle (and Tony to a lesser extent) over that jazz. How the fuck did they know Jack was alive?
Don't remind me of China. I was hoping Jack would get sent to a Chinese prison when Season 4 ended.
Agent Dormer
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Wow, what an episode. And next week's looks INSANE!
IAmtheFMan
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Grizzlyjin said:
Gotcha. Thanks.
I dunno. I think the lady now in charge of CTU (I can't remember her name) is in on it too. Also, note
As long as she is there and that other pinhead with the bad hair is suggesting things, I don't see how Bill could possibly come back. Maybe later on when things settle down, but hell, if
is the man to go after, they'll probably save his downfall/escape/whatever until the final episodes.
The only other possibility I could think of is Bill and co. making their own underground CTU with assistance of someone NOT corrupt within the administration and use Chloe's hax0ring skills to get information.
her talking about Audrey during the preview. I bet they take her hostage.
As long as she is there and that other pinhead with the bad hair is suggesting things, I don't see how Bill could possibly come back. Maybe later on when things settle down, but hell, if
Logan
The only other possibility I could think of is Bill and co. making their own underground CTU with assistance of someone NOT corrupt within the administration and use Chloe's hax0ring skills to get information.
Oldschoolgamer
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As for china. If the president releases the info that Bauer is still alive, it will make it seem as though, the US lied to them, in their agreement last season. I'm just suprised someone didn't leak the info.
As for Jack being found out about. Well...remember, the son was snooping around a bit, and did want to find out, who the guy was. Jack was already painted as a terrorist before, and placed on most wanted ads. I'm pretty sure, that when it all comes down to it, somebody at that job figured it out, and alerted the proper people.
Also...Robocop needs to be brought the fuck down. I want to either see Curtis, Pierce, Bauer, or Palmer (for poetic justice). Hell, they should shower him wirth gunshots in unison like they did him in Robocop. The bastard needs to go.
As for the President. Bauer or Palmer needs to take his out.
As for Jack being found out about. Well...remember, the son was snooping around a bit, and did want to find out, who the guy was. Jack was already painted as a terrorist before, and placed on most wanted ads. I'm pretty sure, that when it all comes down to it, somebody at that job figured it out, and alerted the proper people.
Also...Robocop needs to be brought the fuck down. I want to either see Curtis, Pierce, Bauer, or Palmer (for poetic justice). Hell, they should shower him wirth gunshots in unison like they did him in Robocop. The bastard needs to go.
As for the President. Bauer or Palmer needs to take his out.
I don't see why people keep bringing up China. There's little reason for China to know Jack's still alive yet. He's only been "alive" for a day, and it's not like they're plastering his face all over the news.
But yeah, this twist needs some explaining to do. I like Grizzlyjin's assessment, but I'm as skeptical as Memles for now.
But yeah, this twist needs some explaining to do. I like Grizzlyjin's assessment, but I'm as skeptical as Memles for now.
Oldschoolgamer
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Link said:
Right.:lol
Baron Aloha
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It would be awesome if
Martha is the one who kills Charles at the end, if he does in fact die...which 24 villains typically do.
The more I think about this season, the more I realize how god damn awful its been. It started off strong but since then, the plot holes and everything in general is an entire mess. I keep watching the previews and thinking, "oh next week looks awesome" but nothing awesome is happening. They killed off too many important characters. There's too many issues that haven't been addressed and instead of explaining them, they just keep opening up new ones. There's weren't any amazing action scenes this season besides the airport one. To me, it just feels like they're running around and their leads keep changing. It just feels really sloppy.
there is so much to play with now. Jack was always best when he was off the grid...and now....he can't even see the side of the grid anymore. Only way out of this is for Jack is to have Logan Bite the bullet. But I don't see him getting close enough for that. I'm betting on the good guys getting this info to Martha/Mike/Aaron, and one of those 3 to either kill him, or something.
But damn, they're in a hole now. No more CTU, the Head of the Government is the bad guy your going up against....
...I'm getting Escape From New York/LA vibes!!!
But damn, they're in a hole now. No more CTU, the Head of the Government is the bad guy your going up against....
...I'm getting Escape From New York/LA vibes!!!
Oldschoolgamer
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Can someone explain all these plotholes I am missing out on? The one I got is China, but that is explainable. It hasn't been one day yet.
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