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3 "new" PGR3 images
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AltogetherAndrews
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olimario said:
:lol
thorns said:this is what olimario calls beautiful:
i think it's pretty safe to just ignore his opinion
For a korean MMO? Sure it does.
It has a style that stands out and looks right. EQII is shit in comparison.
.... that really arent bump mapped
So is it all real depth done with polys? If so, why is it so blurry.
It reminds me so much of the depth on this dude.
Teknopathetic
Member
"For a korean MMO? Sure it does.
It has a style that stands out and looks right. EQII is shit in comparison."
I like how you pick the ugliest MMO in recent time to compare it to. Why don't you bring up WoW?
"So is it all real depth done with polys? If so, why is it so blurry.
It reminds me so much of the depth on this dude."
Because you're bat-shit blind? You *know* you're in deep water when Gek won't even help you troll that point.
It has a style that stands out and looks right. EQII is shit in comparison."
I like how you pick the ugliest MMO in recent time to compare it to. Why don't you bring up WoW?
"So is it all real depth done with polys? If so, why is it so blurry.
It reminds me so much of the depth on this dude."
Because you're bat-shit blind? You *know* you're in deep water when Gek won't even help you troll that point.
Deg said:This pic is terrible. I know its from the months old movie but that fence needs that new Nvidia smooth effect thing whatever it is. Then it will look good.
That fence wouldn't get any better with that new AA from nVidia.
Why? Because it's just a really low-res texture. No real geometry, no anti-aliasable jaggies.
Teknopathetic
Member
""For a korean MMO? Sure it does.
It has a style that stands out and looks right. EQII is shit in comparison."
I like how you pick the ugliest MMO in recent time to compare it to. Why don't you bring up WoW?"
Posted again for your enjoyment.
As for the picture being blurry, *all* these grabs are blurry. That doesn't change the fact that the car isn't bump mapped.
It has a style that stands out and looks right. EQII is shit in comparison."
I like how you pick the ugliest MMO in recent time to compare it to. Why don't you bring up WoW?"
Posted again for your enjoyment.
As for the picture being blurry, *all* these grabs are blurry. That doesn't change the fact that the car isn't bump mapped.
eh, whatever. i'm looking forward to pgr3. it looks great in these shots, i have no doubt it will look better when its out.
i fucking hate that bizarre is releasing the same old shit though. we've seen these shots before... if they are going to release pics from that trailer at high res, i wish it would be of shit that we havent seen at this quality before...
i fucking hate that bizarre is releasing the same old shit though. we've seen these shots before... if they are going to release pics from that trailer at high res, i wish it would be of shit that we havent seen at this quality before...
OptimusPrime
Banned
You guys don't seem to know the difference between bump-map and poly-bump....and I can't see any bump-map being used on the car...maybe on the road...but the car?
If they use a map...they will use a poly-bump map on the car.....but why? they have enough power to make a decent poly car.
It's just trolls talking here....
for more:
that's poly bump: http://www.crytek.com/screenshots/index.php?sx=polybump&px=poly_04.jpg
going from 250,000 poly's to 1500
http://www.crytek.com/polybump/index.php?lang=eng&sx=polybump
If they use a map...they will use a poly-bump map on the car.....but why? they have enough power to make a decent poly car.
It's just trolls talking here....
for more:
that's poly bump: http://www.crytek.com/screenshots/index.php?sx=polybump&px=poly_04.jpg
going from 250,000 poly's to 1500
http://www.crytek.com/polybump/index.php?lang=eng&sx=polybump
Deg said:
it really doesnt. jesus people will find anything to nit pick. even from this angle and distance, it looks decent. when racing you'd never notice any flaws. i doubt you'd notice flaws even during a replay from that same angle in motion.
some of you guys need to step back and evalute why you like games.
OptimusPrime
Banned
Borys said:
Yeah X360 has enough power for only modeling in poly.
Well, it's an interesting effect and may not be a texture/lighting effect.
Is it possible that Polybump would be a generalised deformation effect on the polygons so they take more complex/round shapes? I don't feel it's texture related as with normal maps after i read this article.
Techies?
Is it possible that Polybump would be a generalised deformation effect on the polygons so they take more complex/round shapes? I don't feel it's texture related as with normal maps after i read this article.
Techies?
OptimusPrime
Banned
Wyzdom said:
Check the links I posted above
@Gek54
You are comparing CG renders with ingame PGR3 shots GREAT comparision.
And the other ingame shots you compared look 100% worse then PGR3.
I was trying to remember where I saw a wireframe shot of one of the car models for a 360 game, and I couldn't remember if it was PGR3 or Test Drive...
I guess it turns out it was for test drive, so it can't solve this problem definitively, unfortunately, but if this car model has all the detail modelled into it, I don't see why the PGR3 models would be any different.
I guess it turns out it was for test drive, so it can't solve this problem definitively, unfortunately, but if this car model has all the detail modelled into it, I don't see why the PGR3 models would be any different.
From Nvidia:
"Transparent supersampling and multisampling which minimize the undesirable visible aliasing that occurs in highly detailed textures. The improvement in 3D image quality will be most visible when viewing outdoor scenes and objects such as vegetation and chain link fences in games."
Does that help the fence? This would be great in things like Tennis games. Also i reckon someone should make a badminton game.
"Transparent supersampling and multisampling which minimize the undesirable visible aliasing that occurs in highly detailed textures. The improvement in 3D image quality will be most visible when viewing outdoor scenes and objects such as vegetation and chain link fences in games."
Does that help the fence? This would be great in things like Tennis games. Also i reckon someone should make a badminton game.
Teknopathetic
Member
:lol
Doom_Bringer
Banned
The real fun will begin when we get pics of PS3s first arcade racer. I can't wait to see comparison threads :lol
OptimusPrime
Banned
the mesh of the TD models is not that dense looks like 5000 - 8000K poly cars.
OptimusPrime said:Check the links I posted above
@Gek54
You are comparing CG renders with ingame PGR3 shots GREAT comparision.
And the other ingame shots you compared look 100% worse then PGR3.
Dude, that's right after i read it that i did post. It does not tell how the thing works. It just say:
"It allows users to create and render an extremely low poly model using an ultra high poly model while displaying virtually no visible difference between the two."
Want i want to know is how the program achieve this effect or must i say, how this effect is achieved.
I love how some people are comparing PGR3 with REAL LIFE to try to prove their point that it doesn't look good. :lol You mean it doesn't look as good as REAL LIFE? WOW...I'm shocked!
As far as Olimario, this guy's already proved to me through his masterfull use of words such as "bumpmapping" and "depth" that if he knew as much about food as he does about game graphics, he couldn't tell apart shit from caviar.
As far as Olimario, this guy's already proved to me through his masterfull use of words such as "bumpmapping" and "depth" that if he knew as much about food as he does about game graphics, he couldn't tell apart shit from caviar.
OptimusPrime
Banned
It's a map that stores information of the higher polygon model and applys it on the lower poly model as a bump-map but in 3D, it's a displacement map.
midnightguy
Member
now what really matters, is the framerate. pretty graphics are all for nothing in a racing game if you cannot hit, and sustain, 60FPS. the CG video ran at 60, lets hope the real game does too.
I don't think it's bad bump mapping, I think that shot [EDIT: the middle one] is just showing some flaws in their lighting and reflection systems, which are making the car look uglier than it should be. It could be an early build, or it could just be poor timing of a screen capture which looks better in motion. The bottom two shots are really poor, IMO. I like the top shot though; the blurring and glinting effects look more cohesive between the car and the road/environment, and the buildings are straight out of the city. While it shows off some of the flaws in the car model, I don't know what level of perfection people are expecting here. Personally I can't wait to see full-motion, full-framerate gamplay vids.
Those were bump mapped, not normal mapped.
Normal mapping is where you take the geometric nromals from a high-poly model, and store the data of those normals (one for each polygon) in a texture. Then, when this normal data is applied to a lower poly model, the lighting is not calculated based on the normals of the low-detail model with it's small number of polys, but rather the normals of the high-poly model.
All the walls and such in HL2 did not have a higher poly counterpart. They just included bump-mapping in their textures so that the little flecks and details in their textures would catch the light of the environment realistically. Same thing as the texture maps in Halo 1.
â Narayan
Member
Those pictures are old shit.
olimario said:
Yeah well normal maps need a really good resolution to look good. But even at the res we are used to see it this gen, it enhance the models greatly and hide alot of geometry flaws.
The main problems with the devellopers is actually putting WAY TOO MUCH lighting (like specular lighting) on the normal maps and since those are self-enhancing colors/contrast with the light applied on them (well, this competely non-tech speaking, i'm just expressing what it's like when we see it) it becomes a shiny mess.
But just for a tidbit more info, i doub the cars there use normal maps because there's absolutely no use right there. The body of the cars are smooth and the only thing they need to focus to give this impression is having smooth lighting and nice reflections. Normal mapping would be more usefull for things like a rusted part of the body and such. -- something that need more depth in the texture to be believable.
