DeepEnigma
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"But it looks prettier."PS4 30fps = bad.
NSW2 30fps = good.
"Oh, so now it's graphics over gameplay?"
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"Oh, so now it's graphics over gameplay?"
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
i grewed up playing games 12 fps portimble for my fat ass good ps4 crudPS4 30fps = bad.
NSW2 30fps = good.
DeepEnigma
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GigaBowser
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DeepEnigma
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daclynk
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CorrectionPS4 30fps with issues = bad.
NSW2 40fps = good.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Ah yes. They promised a 40fps mode at some point.
LordOcidax
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30 Watts or 10 watts (looking better) VS 250 Watts….PS4 30fps = bad.
NSW2 30fps = good.
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daclynk
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i dont know, does those play nintendo games?Yeah, tech advances after over a decade. You should see the power of these little things called Bionic Chips Axx.
Mozza
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If this keeps up those goalposts will be arrested for speeding.."But it looks prettier."
"Oh, so now it's graphics over gameplay?"
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DeepEnigma
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2025 vs 2013
You'll be surprised what you can emulate on M2s and Axx chips. And they look and perform better to boot.
LordOcidax
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Mozza
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Not ironic at all.2025 vs 2013
You'll be surprised what you can emulate on M2s and Axx chips. And they look and perform better to boot.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
10 watts will have better IQ than on 250 watts?
LordOcidax
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Quality mode running at 30fps probably yes, thanks to DLSS.
daclynk
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So nothing. people forgets that the Nintendo switch released in the time PS4pro and Xbox one X lunch but it still sold well. Also The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom won Best Technology and Innovation Awards at Game Developers Choice Awards with PS5 and Series X 4yrs on the market.2025 vs 2013
You'll be surprised what you can emulate on M2s and Axx chips. And they look and perform better to boot.
Look forward to discussions, Pro exclusive game arguments, Teraflop wars, DLSS vs FSR vs PSSR, which one's suprerior, and general power "discussions".
Switch 2 is going to do great.
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DeepEnigma
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Nobody is disputing that.
LordOcidax
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At first i thought that the Switch 2 was going to achieve same graphics as base PS4 in handheld mode, now i think is going to do a bit better, docked mode is another history… Also DLSS is better.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
What is this thread even doing. Not many people saw it live.
The most apparent downgrade is in handheld where a lot of what you lot are saying is happening. And yes, it can hit sub-30 fps there. In Docked however, its perfectly suitable.
Why are you expecting better than 30 FPS (There is a 40 FPS mode)? I honestly don't understand that.
That's like me asking if Xbox 360 could run Ryse: Son of Rome.
The most apparent downgrade is in handheld where a lot of what you lot are saying is happening. And yes, it can hit sub-30 fps there. In Docked however, its perfectly suitable.
Don't do that. Your joke wasn't funny and it just riles people up. Something which you can know by virtue of visiting NeoGAF.
Why are you expecting better than 30 FPS (There is a 40 FPS mode)? I honestly don't understand that.
I think what isn't clear is you expecting seemingly a lot higher framerate on a game notorious to push hardware.
That's like me asking if Xbox 360 could run Ryse: Son of Rome.
Heavily neutered by Apple. I never liked the concept of designing ultra powerful chips and then having nothing to prove that.Yeah, tech advances after over a decade. You should see the power of these little things called Bionic Chips Axx.
Do you?Explains the brain damage.
I kid, I kid.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Because the option should be possible. Even $399 Deck has it.
jm89
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What's wrong with the quote?DF has clearly lost their head when analyzing Switch 2's graphical capabilities.
They aren't gonna compare visuals and performance to a ps5 or series x as those will smoke the switch 2.
So ps4 makes sense.
LordOcidax
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And then you well see people asking to compared it with the PS5… The Switch 2 is exactly like that Between PS4 and PS5 as almost everyone with a brain expected.
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jm89
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More close to a PS4 so df quote makes sense.
LordOcidax
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PS4 handheld and PS4 Pro ~ Series S docked. DF says Base PS4 when Switch 2 docked, which is wrong…
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Buggy Loop
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But he won't wait for GTA 6 PC of course, will be best game ever at 30 fps PS5!
RetroGamingUK
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DF has clearly lost their head when analyzing Switch 2's graphical capabilities.
Damn, that's a generational leap!
Kataploom
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Nothing against you man but it's hilarious it's YOU the one posting this gif...
jm89
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What's the exact quote form df?
LordOcidax
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Base PS4 is the more natural comparison point for Switch 2 when docked.
jm89
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If they are saying if it's the natural point of comparison that makes sense
it's power is more closer to a last gen console then current gen.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
And that's an x86 device, the kind of processor RedEngine4 was made for.Because the option should be possible. Even $399 Deck has it.
This is a port to ARMv8-based architecture - and 8 low clocked cores of it at that. Retooling for a completely different architecture is not a walk in the park and certainly not a case of ''Well the Deck can run it at this kind of performance and at this resolution, so if anything, i expect Switch 2 to be similar.'' - It just doesn't work like that.
If anything, its a pretty impressive showing considering this is a launch title. It looks fairly better than PS4 when docked, it runs better and handheld is pretty serviceable.
LordOcidax
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Not at all, even is you uses TF which means nothing right now, The Switch 2 handheld is 1.7 vs 1.8 of the Base PS4, docked the Switch 2 is at 3.1, and that is just raw power without even taking into consideration new techs and Nvidia advantages like DLSS.If they are saying if it's the natural point of comparison that makes sense
it's power is more closer to a last gen console then current gen.
Edit: In the last video Richard from DF said, lets the games result talk, which is way more objective opinion IMO.
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jm89
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Did they say it will exactly perform like a PS4? I've never heard them say that. They've always been saying the advantages it will have over a ps4 with stuff like dlss.
They look like they want to compare it to the hardware which will have the closest end result when looking at visuals and performance, which is a last gen console like a ps4
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AutumnLeaves
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Oh, power consumption is important now?
LordOcidax
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Is a handheld…
Of course is important.
kevboard
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it's between base PS4 and Pro when docked. closer to base than Pro.
even without FLOP "inflation" it's not on par in raw compute with the Pro.
LordOcidax
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Well see, but i doubt it. 3.1 TF is more closer to 4.2 than to 1.8… Even by simple math… Without taking Nvidia advantages into consideration.
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kevboard
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its 3.1 TF on Ampere. the Switch 2 is as much a 3.1 TF machine as the PS5 Pro is a 32 TF machine.
Dual Issue FP32 murkies the water here. so the question in reality is, how does a 3.1 TF ampere GPU compare to RDNA2/GCN
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LordOcidax
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What you think are the real TF on Switch 2? Just for curiosity
daclynk
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So TF number is fake?
LordOcidax
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I am waiting for his response… He's maybe is an expert on this kind of topics or a full time troll
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LordOcidax
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Better results than i expected, with a few patch they probably can achieve 30fps locked. Not bad at all.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
No, but TF aren't a proper parameter for strength, except when to explain it in simple terms and even then its just not a good metric.
I didn't know that because I don't own a steam deck, but man it sounds like you steam deck owners got ripped off then. Nintendo proved years prior and then years later again that you can upclock and enhance the performance of a handheld device when plugged into a dock, and at a cheaper price. Yall should expect and demand better from Valve next time.
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GigaBowser
but it's clearly you. Keep up the good work.
GigaBowser
but it's clearly you. Keep up the good work.
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Bitstream
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thank you for your brilliant insights on the value proposition for a device you've admitted you don't know much about