Who's that?
5 Things I Learned as the Internet's Most Hated Person
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Who's that?
Well if you want to get away from gay people in games then there's a whole heck of a lot of games that'll do that for you.
Maybe if stop thinking of it as a 'real life problem' then it won't bother you in Bioware games even.
Look I kinda get where you're coming from but man, Bioware games are barely anything.
Well, then what does it matter? Does it offend you to have straight relationships in the game? Are offering those making it political? They are giving people more choice in how they want to play their characters. I see no reason why that is bad at all in an RPG. RPGs should have a lot of choices. Honestly you are the one who is making it political by being offended they offered it as a choice.
I mean, there is a lot of reasons to hate EA (I know, I refuse to give them money), but this is definitely not one of them (though I guess this is more on Bioware than EA). They should be lauded for giving more choice in an RPG. I hate it when a choice is restricted in an RPG. Makes it less immersive. The more choice the more likely I can rp my character how I want to and not feel railroaded into how they think I should rp my character.
So why is people being gay in a video game a 'real life problem' while people being straight in these same games a non-issue? You're doing some serious question dodging here.
but, but, but that would mean we would have to apply critical theory employed when analyzing every other expressive artistic medium on video games!
that was my first thought too. we hate a lot of people these days, the title needs to be more specific. (but then I clicked to see who that person was, so job well done, I guess.)
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Man at the very least the toxic stuff from her ex kind of made sense as like, a thing I could conceive people being mad about, even if its still completely dumb and invasive. But I still have absolutely no clue what spurred the harassement when she first put Depression Quest in Greenlight
Damerman
Member
haha, this is crazy. when you read something, do you take your time to logically relate ideas with nouns?
"Title of the article undermines real harassment that people face." where does this IN ANY FUCKING WAY... imply that she isn't facing real harassment? and how is it that you ignore everytime I've said that she IS... IN FACT... a victim of harassment? are you bored? you just felt like picking a fight? please take your time to read and internalize what people say... other wise you run the risk of starting poorly founded arguments.
So you've never been cheated on and can't empathize with how devastating it is?
That said, what the internet did in response was worse.
outunderthestars
Banned
Of course you hate us. I went through your trash and I found a fishing magazine. Your online dating profile from 2009 says nothing about foshing. Why are you such a liar and a fraud? I don't feel like we can trust you. Its about integrity, and you simply don't have enough to post about toys on the internet.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
More like the conduct of vocal elements within the gaming community are pretty fucking embarrassing.
I'm not trying to excuse their idiocy, or hide it under a rug, but can we not equate the entire videogame community with this bullshit, please.
Not that I don't understand your sentiment, but slinging back "I hate you's" isn't gonna really do anything for you, either.
Wait people are actually going after people giving money because they feel like it?
Is it the IRS involved or something?
How is that any of our business?
I'm not even in the same continent! Why the fuck should we care?
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Amazing.
Simple, the part where you say "it undermines the real harassment people face" as if what she faced wasn't real harassment. Maybe you should pick your words better.
Not to mention that hinging your criticism solely on a title because you feel it exaggerates to make it seem like she's making a mountain out of a molehill... I mean I'm sure she knows that there are lots of other hated people on the internet but we get the idea, when you are the focus it does feel like you are the most hated person on the internet. You have a large "scandal" like the Quinnspiracy aimed at you and not turn off the internet entirely to ignore what people are saying about you (and not answer any phones and try to avoid all the other stuff people are doing) and let's see you not feel like you are the most hated person ever for a while.
plagiarize
Banned
just acknowledge that any discussion that hinges on Zoe claiming to be the most hated person is hypothetical until we have reason to believe the editor at Cracked wasn't responsible for the title of the article.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
I feel like i'm typing the same thing over and over and people aren't seeing my previous posts. I'm not question dodging i'm answering the best i can.
pants
Member
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The evidence for her cheating on him has come from a guy who wrote a 10,000 word rant about her and spread it across the internet. When it comes to who to believe I give that guy about -1000 credibility points out of the gate
outunderthestars
Banned
I respectfully disagree. He set out to ruin her personal and professional life over a private matter.
Damerman
Member
wtf.. maybe you should not extrapolate words contained in one paragraphe to come up with ur own fucking implications... basic reading comprehension... wtf. are u serious?
I'm going to have to disagree here. I imagine Zoe still wants to be part of the indie scene and to continue with other projects. Any time she pokes out her head, people are going to dredge up this stupid "scandal" and harass her. Regardless of whether this article existed or not, the harassment would still be pretty much the same. By speaking out at least she can point to issues that need to be addressed, whereas ignoring it would accomplish nothing.
They didn't think it was a game this came after Gone Home and Dear Esther had faced backlash for not being "real games", they seem to think games are a specific thing and they want to keep these "non games" off steam.
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Deleted member 126221
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Oh wow. Victim blaming and "extremist / social justice warrior" (whatever that means) talk in the same post. Good luck justifying that one.
EDIT: Woops, didn't notice we were already 8 pages farther from this post. Still not completely awake, sorry!
Because decent human beings should have empathy for each other?
Damerman
Member
fine... but in my opinion.. if you put ur name on an article you are responsible for the whole thing. I don't know much about journalistic outlets, but thats how i feel about that.
Azure Dream
Member
No, I don't believe she slept with anyone to further her career, or oppress any negative talk about her. (That doesn't bar a standard friendship hypothetically accomplishing that, but no, I don't believe the sex was relevant.)
But when she says things like this...
As far as I understand it, it was confirmed she cheated with five separate people while in a relationship with the ex. There is no reason he should've had to stay quiet about it. It's not "slut shaming," it's "I feel this woman treated me horribly, and so I'm going to vent here." Yes, ultimately it's their personal shit to deal with, not ours, but I can dislike her for glossing over her actions while she mocks him. Maybe it was a bad relationship, maybe it was abusive, maybe he considered it a "relationship" well past when she did. But it doesn't sound that way. So it's valid for people to think, "Wow, she seems to have done something terrible to this guy," and based on that, dislike her.
But when she says things like this...
As far as I understand it, it was confirmed she cheated with five separate people while in a relationship with the ex. There is no reason he should've had to stay quiet about it. It's not "slut shaming," it's "I feel this woman treated me horribly, and so I'm going to vent here." Yes, ultimately it's their personal shit to deal with, not ours, but I can dislike her for glossing over her actions while she mocks him. Maybe it was a bad relationship, maybe it was abusive, maybe he considered it a "relationship" well past when she did. But it doesn't sound that way. So it's valid for people to think, "Wow, she seems to have done something terrible to this guy," and based on that, dislike her.
https://twitter.com/BunnyMage/status/510296482315247616
the campaign is going strong.
pathetic.
have you ever been in a real relationship? if any ex vented to this extent of the other ex's wrong-doings, I guarantee you no rational person is going to see the one airing dirty laundry in a positive light. This makes the dude look like an insecure man-child with zero coping skills.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
You contradict yourself, though. If you're okay with homosexual people in real life, then why wouldn't you be okay with them in your video games? Why would you feel the need to get away from them? There aren't a real life problem.
I'd rather you think this over than reply.
You're right. But, as you said, it's the vocal elements. So if the only people speaking up to "represent" the fandom are awful... well.
Maybe efforts should be made to try to drown out the overwhelming negativity with some positivity?
It gets frustrating to see gamers let themselves be represented by misogynists, and entitled brats, and so on.
Who cares what she did? Cheating is awful, and if my GF cheated on me I would be devastated. But it's a private matter. I certainly would never try to ruin her career as an act of revenge. Absolutely disgusting.
plagiarize
Banned
I doubt people who hate everyone would start liking me if I was nice to them. If me hating someone who already hates me undermines how *you* think about me, then I think it's wonderful that you are such an idealist who thinks that we can solve problems by being nice, and I genuinely hope you never feel otherwise.
But incase you are wrong, I gave up being nice to bigots and assholes and the like, because I believe that helping foster a society that is unwelcoming to such perspectives will help keep people with those perspectives from voicing them, which will ensure future generations are less likely to hold such perspectives.
In the accusations.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oh I'm just saying that in a warped way I understand why people would care, bitterness, bad past experiences, siding together with "one of the guys", whatever. The original Depression Quest thing literally baffles me, I can't think of a single reason why anyone got upset at her
Thank you. I'm on my phone and this sums up my thoughts perfectly.
OldmanAndroid
Member
I've been following this since the beginning. Zoe is a MUCH stronger person than I am, and I think she's handled it better than most people would. I have so much empathy for her, and truly hopes she continues to make video games.
I don't have empathy for a vile human being that discloses personal matters on the internet and uses it to fuel a mob against his former lover. Fuck him. He's a disgrace to men. He is a poor excuse of a men.
not_so_special
Banned
oh..the "conspiracy theories"defense..yeah..i have seen that,and you know? thats the problem zoe defenders have,they put anyone who have any doubts about her behaviour under the same banner
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s4nmr1/
this is total biscutit talking about the subject
i dont hate her,i believe the people who attack her with insults,harrasement,etc etc are crazy nutjobs ,but man i she admits she likes to lie to everyone ( and she does on her logs) excuse me if i gonna be exceptical about some of her histories
Don't worry, they're all this embarrassing when it comes to this topic.
Wow, interesting article. After harassment like that I'd imagine it takes a lot of courage to "resurface" on the internet in any kind of public way, so good on her for doing so.
I remain casually optimistic that some good can come from this, somehow. If I ever have a daughter and she wants to play video games I want things to be less toxic in the industry. And I hope we didn't just waste all that energy arguing for the last few weeks...
I remain casually optimistic that some good can come from this, somehow. If I ever have a daughter and she wants to play video games I want things to be less toxic in the industry. And I hope we didn't just waste all that energy arguing for the last few weeks...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Even if she did, you vent fucking anonymously. You don't fucking name names and then post your rant all over the internet with the goal of sicing an army of internet attack dogs on her. He could have vented just as well without, you know, saying who she was
His actions aren't the actions of someone who just wants some catharsis by getting sympathy on the internet. He very clearly wanted to fuck with her
I've read your replies and they don't actual address either your original assertion that gays in games are a political problem or your counter that you are okay with gay people, just not real world problems. If you didn't have an issue with gay people, you'd have never brought it up in the first place.
So, again, what other political problems are in your games that you can't stand? You only mentioned the one and are backpedaling on it.
Gumbie
Member
Or maybe, just maybe people just mind their own fucking business and stay out of other people's lives. Seriously how sad does someone's own life have to be that they are caught up and care about "omg a female indie game developer cheated on her boyfriend"
plagiarize
Banned
Sokay, that means you are one of us
hah. stop making it hard for me to hate you both.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
I can't really explain it that well. It's just like they HAD to be that developer to try to make a point about gay people when i'm already okay with them type of thing. It's just me being a grump really on a developer i really dislike already. Do you know where i'm coming from now kinda?
Show me where he says she DMCAed him. You are saying things that are just factually incorrect. He's talking about an entirely different person, not himself. If you can't even keep things like this straight, why should anyone buy whatever else you're selling? All this post is is Totalbiscuit responding to events, he's not actually involved in any of them.
Was he killed or harmed in any way?
I mean except for blows to his ego?
I don't know them and it's their private matter, why should we even start to care?
I'm not saying that we should throw tomatoes at him and laugh him out of the web for being cheated on.
But why should I take a side in a topic I have no stake in and it's quite clear I have no idea what went on in their lives?
For all we know he pushed her to that extremities and abused her himself.
Seriously why should we give a shit in the 1rst place?
Do we have to harass every people who wronged a gamer too?
In that case can we start with the people collecting my taxes?
Journalists do not write the headline at most if not all newspapers, websites etc. I have seen numerous sports journalists on twitter tell people to ignore the headline and read the story.