The 'internet' hated Switch 2 — consumers bought it anyway [Japan Times]

I think they are blowing the negativity it got way out of proportion. The "hate" was not nearly universal, even among hardcore gamers.
 
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Can't listen to that vocal minority of hardcore gamers when it comes to Nintendo.

A Nintendo console is socially acceptable for mainstream consumers to buy. Grandmas chilling at the old folks' home getting strikes on Wii Bowling. COVID-lockdown extroverts getting relief playing Animal Crossing.

300 million people have played a Mario Kart, and that's a conservative estimate based on sales--not taking into account that a big draw is the couch-multiplayer.
 
LordOcidax said:
The PS5 Pro is selling well? 🤔
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LakeOf9 said:
This would almost work as a counter argument if Switch 2 sales hadn't continued on their trajectory after launch, rather than slowing down right away as happened with Xbox One

I mean it still wouldn't, but it would be better than right now I guess
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2 weeks isn't a trajectory
 
Audiophile said:
I think folks are getting a little carried away with the victory laps. Maybe it does do great still, but this initial wave is largely a function of great supply (one of the few and best examples) + die-hard early adopters, likely with a hunger for something new after a prolonged generation.

I just wonder how well it'll follow through in the coming few years given the cost/s and the less technically-concerned Nintendo playerbase. It's a highly iterative console that probably should've come out 18 months ago; and I'd argue it was the bare minimum of upgrades for then, let alone now.

Ultimately the Switch 2 titles you can't get on Switch (1) in the coming years will be the driver of whether the average Nintendo gamer jumps in. Hopefully Ninty can push the boat out a bit.
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I agree to an extent. Yes, anything could happen. But I think that the difference between the Switch 2 versus previous releases (prior to the OG Switch) is that those releases were constantly changing things up hardware-wise. Nintendo didn't really change things up with an entirely different piece of hardware this time, so it is more likely that the Switch 2 will still be a massive success. I don't think it will hit OG Switch numbers unless there's another global pandemic, but I'm not going to rule that out either.
 
Nintendo didn't bend because they have real data. The hating was coming from a small minority probably.

The Nintendo audience isn't as tuned in as the rest of us. Go back to the DS launch for example. It was a joke product, and it went on to sell over 154 million units..
 
I've always bought Nintendo consoles to play Zelda titles, and will continue doing the same. everything else is just icing on the cake.

I know lots of you think buying a console for a single game is insane, but it really isn't when you're not poor

Nintendo are the only ones still doing exclusives
 
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Azelover said:
Nintendo didn't bend because they have real data. The hating was coming from a small minority probably.

The Nintendo audience isn't as tuned in as the rest of us. Go back to the DS launch for example. It was a joke product, and it went on to sell over 154 million units..
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What do you mean by joke product? Nintendo put a lot of resources behind the launch of the Nintendo DS. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding.
 
lughnasadh123 said:
This is an odd "fuck yeah, we get to pay more, suck on that consumers!" victory lap. Yay you?
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... Consumers are the ones buying the Switch 2 in record numbers. The point of the article isn't a victory lap, it's a reality check. There's often a massive disconnect between the algorithmic feedback loops of social media and the actual tastes of consumers at large. It's good for businesses (and the terminally online) to keep that in mind, because mistaking loud influencers for the voice of the market is what drove catastrophes like Concord and all the other "modern audiences" boondoggles.

Vaquilla said:
The hate was always a storm in a teacup; a loud minority of online trolls don't represent the real world.
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Yep. Not sure how many times we need to learn this lesson.
 
DownLikeBCPowder said:
What do you mean by joke product? Nintendo put a lot of resources behind the launch of the Nintendo DS. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding.
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Not everyone is going to be happy with the DS as it murdered their favorite competing handheld.
 
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Not everyone is going to be happy with the DS as it murdered their favorite competing handheld.
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Fair enough. Though at that time Nintendo was probably lying through their teeth talking about the third pillar strategy and how the Nintendo DS would not displace their legacy hardware when in fact it completely consumed the Game Boy as a hardware line.

I think a much bigger loss is the advent of the Switch and therefore the death of the dual ecosystem. At least with the Nintendo DS we still had a dedicated handheld environment that was segregated from the console market offerings.
 
blacktout said:
... Consumers are the ones buying the Switch 2 in record numbers. The point of the article isn't a victory lap, it's a reality check. There's often a massive disconnect between the algorithmic feedback loops of social media and the actual tastes of consumers at large. It's good for businesses (and the terminally online) to keep that in mind, because mistaking loud influencers for the voice of the market is what drove catastrophes like Concord and all the other "modern audiences" boondoggles.
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It's more than just pointing out loud voices don't always equal what the masses think - that's nothing new nor something that needs to be pointed out. This is something else. An acknowledgement (vindication) that those consumers are all too willingly to open up and swallow that extra anti-consumer shit they wanted to put out. It's just gross and honestly fucking weird, especially people using it to prop up console warring.
 
DownLikeBCPowder said:
This was my primary motivator to secure the system now. Because it definitely wasn't software...
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Even when the OLED version is finally released, it will still cost $450. The new OLED version might cost around $550 or more. Outside some sale, no official MSRP on any current gen console yet. Actually price increased 😆
 
Well, it's in the culture of consumerism - don't think, just consume. In that sense zombies have more brain activity than 99% of consumers.
 
lughnasadh123 said:
It's more than just pointing out loud voices don't always equal what the masses think - that's nothing new nor something that needs to be pointed out. This is something else. An acknowledgement (vindication) that those consumers are all too willingly to open up and swallow that extra anti-consumer shit they wanted to put out. It's just gross and honestly fucking weird, especially people using it to prop up console warring.
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Yeah I'm going to willingly swallow up the anti-consumer shit they are putting out on July 17th. I hope it tastes good.
 
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lughnasadh123 said:
It's more than just pointing out loud voices don't always equal what the masses think - that's nothing new nor something that needs to be pointed out. This is something else. An acknowledgement (vindication) that those consumers are all too willingly to open up and swallow that extra anti-consumer shit they wanted to put out. It's just gross and honestly fucking weird, especially people using it to prop up console warring.
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Or maybe consumers are actually smart and very capable of evaluating what they want and how much they're willing to pay for it.

The boycott crowd threw together a lot of different claims about how the system was "anti-consumer," and a lot of them were frankly either complete bullshit or serious exaggerations.

If you ignore the hyperventilating and noise, there were basically two legitimate complaints leveled against the system: that Nintendo was breaking the glass on $80 games and that third party titles were almost all going for forced downloads instead of true physical editions.

I don't think we have any solid evidence that consumers are actually just obliviously accepting either of these situations.

Mario Kart World was the only new $80 game and, while it's selling like crazy, most of those sales are effectively for $50 in the bundle. It remains to be seen what the actual appetite for $80 stand-alone titles are, especially when they're not entries in one of the best-selling franchises of all time.

What's also interesting is that there's some evidence that consumers may be rejecting game key cards, even while the system itself is breaking records. I've seen this framed as third party games doing badly in general, but the one major third party title to be complete on the cartridge, Cyberpunk, seems to be doing pretty well. If that continues to be the case, then that's a pretty clear-cut instance of consumers making nuanced choices and rejecting aspects of the Switch 2 that they think are poor values, even as the embrace the platform more broadly.
 
This so-called hate is not hate at all, it's an external conscience showing the way. When we say that no Nintendo (or any publisher) game is worth $80, we do so out of love for the community. GTA 6 is perhaps worth $75 because it's a cutting-edge game.

If you want to buy a Switch 2, don't buy it yet, wait for the revised version with OLED, OLED is not a luxury, it is your right, PS Vita used OLED in 2011, 2011. Wake up, man.
But If you have already bought the Switch 2, sweet, there is still a solution, be patient, DO NOT BUY the games, do this for some months and then the community will put Nintendo back in a position of humility and respect. yeah You'll hear that the new Zelda, new Mario, new DK is the best of all time, but they always say that, it's part of the game, but you played Wii, Wii U, Switch you know nintendo games, at the end of the day you know that Zelda will have those elements, that Mario will say woopi when he jumps. Be patient, boycott.
 
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The console hasn't been out for even a month. The Wii U effectively sold out at launch. So did the Gamecube. Strong initial numbers don't mean anything in the long run.

The higher price tag not only for the console but it's software as well, more handheld competitors and a litany of issues with the device (Joycon drift STILL and an LCD screen 100 times slower than an OLED screen).

I don't think the Switch 2 will find anywhere near the success that the Switch did. I don't think it will be an abject failure, but I don't see it cracking 100m units sold by end of life. Me and my partner who both got a Switch day 1 are waiting to buy a Switch 2 that we will share. Anecdotal, but that kind of says it all.
 
L*][*N*K said:
Still hopping for a somehow turn around and this will be another WiiU huh? You do realize they have to win a lottery to have the privilege of buying a Switch 2, right?
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Wii U will be too damn extreme, (and that was the home console tho.. which is dead now). Just less successful as the SW1... 10, 20M less or/and slower adoption rate
 
Geometric-Crusher said:
GTA 6 is perhaps worth $75 because it's a cutting-edge game.
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You put value games based how expensive the graphics are, I dont.....I'm gonna skip GTA6 like I did with GTA5 because for me they not fun, that what I value most rather how high tech graphics are.

Geometric-Crusher said:
If you want to buy a Switch 2, don't buy it yet, wait for the revised version with OLED, OLED is not a luxury, it is your right, PS Vita used OLED in 2011, 2011. Wake up, man.
But If you have already bought the Switch 2, sweet, there is still a solution, be patient, DO NOT BUY the games, do this for some months and then the community will put Nintendo back in a position of humility and respect. yeah You'll hear that the new Zelda, new Mario, new DK is the best of all time, but they always say that, it's part of the game, but you played Wii, Wii U, Switch you know nintendo games, at the end of the day you know that Zelda will have those elements, that Mario will say woopi when he jumps. Be patient, boycott.
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Your money you do you....I like Nintendo games and I have the money to buy it, why should I wait? I have zero reason not to buy it.

People have free will and can decide how should they want spend their own money.
 
POKEYCLYDE said:
The console hasn't been out for even a month. The Wii U effectively sold out at launch. So did the Gamecube. Strong initial numbers don't mean anything in the long run.

The higher price tag not only for the console but it's software as well, more handheld competitors and a litany of issues with the device (Joycon drift STILL and an LCD screen 100 times slower than an OLED screen).

I don't think the Switch 2 will find anywhere near the success that the Switch did. I don't think it will be an abject failure, but I don't see it cracking 100m units sold by end of life. Me and my partner who both got a Switch day 1 are waiting to buy a Switch 2 that we will share. Anecdotal, but that kind of says it all.
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It is necessary for people to talk about this not only in this thread but also on YouTube and social media, as Nintendo's policies affect all of us.
 
I found this for cheap and I want to buy it, but I'm trying to hold myself back because, other than Zelda, I didn't really enjoy any of the exclusives on the first Switch. I play a lot of third-party games on PC, and the first Switch should still be able to run many low-budget titles (I don't think companies will stop supporting it). I'm unsure whether it's worth buying for just one or two new Zelda games over the next 7 years. I'll probably buy it down the line though.
 
Some of the controversy is overblown, but companies doing shitty things to consumers is because most consumers are blustering pussies that give in if the abuser wines and dines them enough.

It's how we got micro-transactions, it's how we got artificial early access if you pay more, it's why we keep getting AAA games that are broken at launch, and it's why we have the "you'll own nothing, and be happy" service-based games. So many other things to play, but people get addicted to the same brands.
 
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A real Hardcore gamer will spend time on playing game instead of making petty argument on internet . Those so call " Hardcore gamer" nowaday are bunch of manchild with no life and has no money to buy game . :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Nobody has ever doubted Switch 2 initial sales (and current FY). Nintendo could've packed a polished dog turd and it would've break records on the back of a brilliant Switch 1.

Sales trajectory though will be far more interesting to watch.
 
I thought the PS5 would flop at $500, and with very few 1st Party support.. but look at it now... Yeah. This shit will keep selling.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
Wii U will be too damn extreme, (and that was the home console tho.. which is dead now). Just less successful as the SW1... 10, 20M less or/and slower adoption rate
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Switch is a hybrid console it serves as both a handheld and console depends on how you chose to use it and thst is a part of it's appeal, and the fact that you are hopping for a device to sell less for some reason as if every SW2 is sold the gods take a year off your life span or something is genuinely weird, I'd talk to someone about that having that much hate in your heart is definitely not good for the overall quality of your life. Good luck though.
 
Heh, I am part of the "problem". Finally pulled the trigger and bought my Switch 2 late last evening, setting it up today after work. Have to get ready for Bananza! Had decided to wait until Donkey Kong came out but just had to have a Switch 2. My Switch games are supposed to run better on Switch 2, that was my excuse to myself.
 
Heart_Attack said:
I thought the PS5 would flop at $500, and with very few 1st Party support.. but look at it now... Yeah. This shit will keep selling.
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That's a false narrative. Almost all their big IPs got a sequel during the console's first years.

Spider-man 2018 => Miles Morales 2020, then Spider-man 2 2023
Ratchet and Clank 2016 => Rift Appart 2021
Horizon Zero Dawn 2017 => Forbidden West 2022
GT Sport 2017 => GT7 2022
God of War 2018 => Ragnarok 2022
Little Big Planet 2014 => Sackboy 2020
Astrobot rescue mission 2018 (Playroom 2020) => Astrobot 2024
Death Stranding 2019 => Death Stranding 2 2025
Ghost of Tsushima 2020 => Ghost of Yôtei 2025

+ new games like Returnal, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Rônin

The only missing stuff would be a new Uncharted game which didn't get a new episode since Lost Legacy (but there is already a new Naughty Dogs game planned)
 
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