5 Things I Learned as the Internet's Most Hated Person
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I think the difference is in the marketing.
I mean Kojima present his games as "this cool action game set in this era of intrigue and you do cool stuffs"
while I think he views Bioware presenting their games as "this cool rpg where you get to date plenty of people and have sex with everyone".
I think he views MGS as how some people view political thrillers while he view Bioware games as more pushing an agenda (in the way they're presented).
I don't think he have a problem with the message of Bioware games either (except DA2 but I think he's not alone in this).
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There should be a warning on the OP of all these threads:
If you're writing something that starts with "I do not condone the harassment, BUT [...]", think very carefully about what you are about to post.
If you're writing something that starts with "I do not condone the harassment, BUT [...]", think very carefully about what you are about to post.
I'm not sure I can agree with this. Would you want such a dishonest person in your life? I wouldn't. I can't stand rampant cheaters/liars.
Oh, I thought all the gamergate stuff was compressed into a single thread? I was expecting Adam Orth.
I think it's pretty silly that the whole Zoe Quinn thing has been blown this much out of proportion. I'm not a fan of hers at all, but it's rather disgusting seeing how much hate she ended up with. This is the kind of thing that should just blow over quickly and her alleged actions aren't some big industry changing scandal.
I think it's pretty silly that the whole Zoe Quinn thing has been blown this much out of proportion. I'm not a fan of hers at all, but it's rather disgusting seeing how much hate she ended up with. This is the kind of thing that should just blow over quickly and her alleged actions aren't some big industry changing scandal.
shacklesmcgee
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can you please post these logs or shut up about them?
outunderthestars
Banned
I honestly don't care about my friends sex lives. That is private and none of my business.
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Deleted member 13876
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It's okay if they don't say anything apparently. There can be a Mute Bear character.
I put every potential partner through a rigorous process that's much like getting government level security clearance for a job.
I think the issue is slightly more complex than that - there's some good reading on the subject here that might help you understand why she is under so much scrutiny. Abuse and harassment are absolutely wrong, but people should expect fair criticism for their behavior. Unfortunately that's the minority of discourse on twitter.
In case you're not aware, Quinn's ex ("Eron") is alleged to have been in the IRC channels used by the group specifically targeting Quinn. In the (extensive) IRC logs, someone with his username (and, I believe a verified WHOIS? If that helps shift this from allegation to proof?) is there claiming to be the ex and going to great lengths to help direct the Anon group in how to best target Quinn and ruin her life. I think there's a bunch of examples (and the logs themselves are all available, just running into the several thousands of pages). A link here though by way of drive-by evidence to support the allegation.
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Well, that would be your problem. Not the whole internet's problem.
It's not about the sex, it's about the dishonesty/cheating. I can't trust someone who can't even be honest with the person they're supposed to be closest with.
not_so_special
Banned
i understand that, if that happened to me i will just fade away,im not going to the internet,both of them were shady as hell
i dont care about gamergate,i care about same gender equality ,but this isnt a free pass to anyone with issues like leigh alexander or zoe queen to be gurus of this subject,i dont have any problems with anita ( even if i dont like some of her videos) i think gaming need fresh air and change things about women
but excuse if i dont believe a word from leigh alexander or zoe,both of them have prove me to have serious issues on the past,leigh with his anger and hate and bad manners ,and zoe with his ability to lie
Why not?
If they can do the job just as well or better what's the issue?
Who gives a shit about this on a professional level.
Unless you're at Flanders' level of honesty, you shouldn't really go that way.
Why accept someone who's only honest with their closest lovers but lie to everyone else.
Apparently you're ok with that.
And if you're not then you're not ok with anyone lying about anything (or you're a hypocrite)
If you knew the amount of dishonesty/cheating that happened with people you probably know, you'd very likely have not-many-friends.
do you scrutinize males with similarly "bad behavior and manners" with as much intensity?
I get that you probably don't have an active issue with gay people, but even growing up around homophobes or those who were raised by homophobes shapes how you talk about and respond to gay people. The posts you've made negatively calling out Bioware for including gay options aren't upsetting because they're anti-gay, but because they want to downplay the progress that is made by making those options available/expanded.
Can you imagine growing up gay even in today's society? When 99.9999% of media doesn't reflect how you feel? When you are literally a second class citizen? Where even existing is grounds for death in certain parts of the world?
It's great that you're okay with gay people and gay marriage, but to try to downplay their increased representation--something gay people are still desperate for--just because you're okay with it is still a disservice to your fellow man.
not_so_special
Banned
oh..because you are so educate...go to google and find them..
It's ok. You're just a sanctimonious person. I myself don't trust those. They consistently fail their own standards.
QuantumZebra
Member
When women in the industry sleep with guys in the industry that means they are whores are must be burned at the stake. Pretty standard stuff I think.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Okay but, even taking this at face value, who is asking you to trust her? Or rather, what would the consequences of "trusting" this liar be? Even after this bullshit she's still relatively obscure, she's not an authority on anything, her only game of note so far was released for free...if she lied and cheated on someone, and I'm asking this genuinely, so what?
What search terms are you using? I'm getting a whole lot of #gg noise but no actual logs from what I've been trying..
Actually, can you just link the damn things please? You obviously know where they are...
I'm sanctimonious because I think it's bad to cheat? How so?
not_so_special
Banned
well when she have things like the wizard han accussations and the fine young capitalist,rebel jam ,etc etc u will start to see the whole picture
People make mistakes and what constitutes cheating varies depending on the relationship, it really just gets too complicated when a game developer becomes subject to the judgment of the general public.
I haven't cheated in a relationship, but I've been mean to a former partner to the point where I'm ashamed of it and I wouldn't want it plastered on the internet.
It's generally just a good idea to allow people's personal lives to be private, unless they are putting others in danger etc like domestic abuse.
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"Hey, I have this ultimate proof that this is all a huge conspiracy!"
"Okay, where is that proof?"
"Duh, google it, stupid!"
The only thing that I think could be relevant, is the allegations that she abused the boyfriend mentally. According to him, she tried to convince him he had a mental illness, to cover up her infidelity. I don't give a shit about the infidelity. But I mean, that's seriously messed up. And so, if she's an activist that represents mental health issues in gaming, then I think that is something her backers might want to know about.
The other thing that bothered me, was how someone in the industry stepped forward and said Quinn sexually harassed him at a wedding, and Phil Fish and a bunch of other devs/journalists (including Quinn) basically shouted the guy down, and the guy ended up backing down because he feared for his career. I have no idea if this guys allegations were true or not, but this idea that you intimidate someone to be quiet, just because your friend is being alleged to have done something wrong...is not acceptable behavior. And while yeah people will say Fish is always an asshole, I think the context of what this was, and how others in the industry backed Fish is what is disturbing. It's a really scary thing to see happening so public in an industry. Does anyone want that kind of environment, where someone can't speak up if they were sexually abused, because then others will stick together and fuck your career?
I dunno. So those are the ONLY two things that I think, were kind of relevant here. The rest is non-sense. I mean, even if it's true that she's all the things the boyfriend says she is (a cheater/liar and abuser)...I don't see how that really has an impact on the work she puts forth in the industry. Or how that impacts the industry at all. There was no allegations of her sleeping for press, and there was no proof of this either (and that was the main focus of all this bullshit).
EDIT: to clarify, I personally side with those saying this short of thing should have just been kept private. If the boyfriend is truly a victim here (and she was really that awful), I feel bad for him. I dunno. I can almost understand not wanting others to go through the same thing he did. BUT I really hate this idea of publicly outing your personal issues on the internet. And I really hated how gamers took it upon themselves, to make themselves apart of all this (making issues out of nothing).
Why do all of you people claiming some vauge horrific wrongdoing seem so hesistant to post the evidence? Could it be that it's all as bullshit as the stuff you posted earlier?
shacklesmcgee
Member
You've been here a lot longer than me, you know that's not how this works. You claim something, you back it up, it's not my job.
Please, just post anything besides saying wizard han acussatins and fin cpaitlst etc rebal jam
Simply Sarah
Member
I think you may be a bit confused on how this whole "asserting something as fact" works. It's your job to back it up, not the job of the other person to go hunting for what you consider to be support.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I'm reading your posts in Homsar's voice now, I honestly don't know what you're saying
Metaphor for Giant Robot
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Considering I've never heard this person or her game before this happened (and apparently neither did a lot of people), I'm curious:
Let's say all of the accusations of her is true and the ex-boyfriend decided not to publicly talk about her sex life. Then what? Honestly, what is the best and worst case scenario of an indie developer nobody has ever heard about sleeping with someone?
Let's say all of the accusations of her is true and the ex-boyfriend decided not to publicly talk about her sex life. Then what? Honestly, what is the best and worst case scenario of an indie developer nobody has ever heard about sleeping with someone?
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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I get the impression that Quinn is probably a really bad and just plain old not good person.
And this Cracked article's headline is a bit ridiculous (but the content is accurate and good)
But the way she was treated has been way worse than her own behavior.
And this Cracked article's headline is a bit ridiculous (but the content is accurate and good)
But the way she was treated has been way worse than her own behavior.
not_so_special
Banned
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s6j3sh
the logs were captured by enron ( yeah u can say these were photoshop..but no)
im pretty sure almost everyone who is blinding defending zoe haven seen any of these
http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/
take your time and read this...i dont care about her sex life,how many guys she have sex or cheated her boyfriend...i care about the "pathological liar"
im not gonna insult her,harras her i just dont feel confortable believing her
Less than 10 pages in and we've already got accusations conveniently missing facts that would contradict said accusations and a sad amount of conspiracies trying to oust the 'evil' that is Zoe Quinn without any concrete evidence whatsoever.
I read most of the last big thread that we had on the 'Quinnspiracy' and nearly lost my mind, and that was without trying to contribute myself. The fact that there's people on here with the same pathetic mindset that lead to the creation of this article not only makes me deeply sad but also makes my blood boil. Last time was a shit show, this time already looks like it's turning that way so fuck it, I can't believe we're doing this again. Just nuke this thread from orbit.
I read most of the last big thread that we had on the 'Quinnspiracy' and nearly lost my mind, and that was without trying to contribute myself. The fact that there's people on here with the same pathetic mindset that lead to the creation of this article not only makes me deeply sad but also makes my blood boil. Last time was a shit show, this time already looks like it's turning that way so fuck it, I can't believe we're doing this again. Just nuke this thread from orbit.
I think this is the one thing we should all agree on.
outunderthestars
Banned
I guarantee you that a large number of your friends/ex's have cheated on someone at some point. The majority of adults have.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/infidelity-statistics/
That said, this thread seems to have already stopped talking about the article itself, and is only focusing on the dead horse that is the internet scandal.
Azure Dream
Member
He does not have a responsibility to keep her identity anonymous. I'm not sure how many forums he posted his accusations to, so yes, that could very well be over the line. Ultimately I'm not trying to defend the whole of his actions. I'm saying it's possible to dislike Zoey, as a person, for what she did to him, now that we know about it. (Even if you believe we shouldn't know about it.) You're welcome to dislike him too for what he did back.
My point was that just because a lot of people currently dislike her, not all of those are crazy people that think she commands the gaming industry with her sexual wiles. But that seems to be how it's being treated now.
plagiarize
Banned
Her ex certainly alleged she was sleeping with press and devs for personal gain, even though that looks not to be the case.
And yes, shouting people down is bullshit. I hope you start calling it out everywhere you see it.
She would have gotten publicity for freeware which is journalistic corruption. PS: check out my Destiny review. It's between these Destiny ad banners.
shacklesmcgee
Member
you post the exes post as "proof"? hahaha ok thanks for the laughs
Wait, this is just a link to the boyfriend's original blog.
IRREFUTABLE PROOF
QuantumZebra
Member
Yea it's amazing seeing this stuff come to light -
Statement:
"A a lot of so-called "gamers" tend to be white males with aggressive tendencies towards women and minorities"
Response:
"That's bullshit you stupid cunt feminist I hope you die!!!"
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Well, gee whiz, internet, you sure proved her and other people wrong.
Well, in my opinion he alluded to it, but didn't full on make the accusation of it. He proposed that MAYBE this is why she did what she did. He was trying to come up with answers for why she cheated on him. Was it for her own self interest? Did she not love him?
My point is, he didn't out this information to let the public know there was corruption in the industry. He outed this information, because he thinks she's a dangerous person that will abuse and ruin another person's life, and he didn't want someone else to go through what he did. So it was a PERSONAL agenda, that really had nothing to do with the games industry IMO. So that is why I don't feel there was ever a direct allegation that she slept for press, and there wasn't proof of it either. So that's why I was pretty angry that most of this focused on what is IMO a non-issue.
1) I agree with your edit.
2) if she was abusive in the relationship she had and it's so bad it's actually illegal, he should go to a court or deal with his issues.
3) people vehemently defending someone in a case of sexual harassment is so not new and exclusive to this industry I'll point you to your nearest rape scandal involving NFL stars.
And I still don't see the part where I should empathize with a guy half the world away for being abused by his lover.
A sad fact. But I think it does go to show that just because somebody does something morally wrong doesn't mean that a person should be forever condemned as a 'horrible human being' or whatever. Very few people are 100% clean and have never done anything wrong. So long as they are mostly good people and haven't done anything absolutely unforgiveably horrible, we should be lenient in how we judge them.
not_so_special
Banned
ohhh yeah yeah..she cant lie..its all photoshoped...etc etc good to know