QuantumZebra
Member
Not only can you not type properly - you're linking to an opinionated blog post made by Zoe haters/her ex. What the f***?
5 Things I Learned as the Internet's Most Hated Person
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Not only can you not type properly - you're linking to an opinionated blog post made by Zoe haters/her ex. What the f***?
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Legitimately thought this was a Cracked article from the title. And it was.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
Nah man that's nonsense it's totally her inflated ego or something
That's a link to the blogpost that started all this shit, hardly solid evidence. It also does not serve proof to several things you have claimed.
I'm convinced that Zoe Quinn is literally satan now thanks to that post.
I have to add this addendum that I am being facetious because the culture of video game discussion has gotten so disgusting that you, the casual reader, may not be able to tell that I'm not actually telling the truth up there. Thanks for ruining video games everyone who believes that blog post.
LiegeWaffle
Member
I don't think even he himself ever claimed that (which says a lot), it was the conclusion people on the Internet made themselves.
not_so_special
Banned
so he shoped the logs? invented the whole things? even she admits everything?
ok,its this is how zoe defenders behave,im not gonna waste my time of anyones time
zoe is the bearer of truth..cool
I never said you should empathize with him. Hell, I don't even empathize with him, as I don't know who he is. I think, I can feel bad for a situation like his on paper. But all I know about the guy is that he decided to air all this out on the internet, not something I'm a fan of (even if everything he's saying is true, and he really was a victim). My only points were that: I. if she is really someone that abuses mental illness, then she might lose credibility as an activist II. I don't think we should accept the behavior of people bullying others who have sexual harassment claims (just because their friend is the one being accused).
All your other points are fair. This industry isn't immune from protection of colleagues from trouble. But I also don't think it's something we should accept. This was clearly displayed on Twitter, and it was disgusting. Ultimately, I actually don't think much of this was relevant to the games industry at all. I was just pointing out the ONLY two things that I could think of, that might remotely be related. But I actually don't put much stock at all into the Quinn incident. I think it was a bunch of angry gamers making a lot of noise about nothing, and harassing and abusing people.
QuantumZebra
Member
But some angry person on the internet wrote it - that counts as fact, right?
If your proof that there was torture in Iraq is by North Korea, no one will take you seriously.
Find some other proof that's not an angry ex with issues.
John Kowalski
Banned
Did someone take down the wikipedia page for ad hominems?
You'd expect people to be better educated about it.
You'd expect people to be better educated about it.
QuantumZebra
Member
What is this.... I can't even...
SolidChamp
Banned
As a gamer, I'm ashamed that this is even a thing.
A thing I will never understand, nor do I care to.
A thing I will never understand, nor do I care to.
D
Deleted member 126221
Unconfirmed Member
What are you trying to do / prove exactly?
Blind belief is dangerous too
shacklesmcgee
Member
No, you have failed to provide any evidence or proof for any of the claims you have made, and while "TheZoePost" may be true, it has no bearing on anything to do with gamergate or the nonsense you keep posting.
that he's not_so_special
Purple Cheeto
Member
Godwin'd.
sorry that's someone else who said that decent people should take the side of the ex or some BS.
On that we can agree, it's a real issue when we're talking about MSFT DRM or stuffs like.
Here? meh.
What a weird meltdown.
not_so_special
Banned
he documented everything,yeah..its a angry ex,but he presented every log,every conversation,and put these on that blog
but its al false..yeah
its not a meltdown,its simple double standars,the guy was mad,its wasnt classy,i get that,but he put every log,every proof of her behaviour,her confessions,etc ALL
you can say with a straight face its all fabricated? everyhing its photoshoped? good lord i know a lot of you want to defend zoe with passion but at least read the whole thing
QuantumZebra
Member
I guess not all of us got the memo that women can't sleep with men? Dunno
outunderthestars
Banned
I don't even think that the essay's impact relies on the factual accuracy of the original blog post, but more in how the internet has become a truly spiteful, awful place.
But that doesn't have anything to do with the other scandals you keep mentioning because they were all after he posted that initial post.
Metaphor for Giant Robot
Neo Member
Why does it matter at all if any of this is true or false? What is the purpose of this one-man crusade you're doing?
Baron_Calamity
Member
Pretty much my thoughts as well. Though having a daughter who is interested in gaming and game development has me concerned.
not_so_special
Banned
not,just the proof the loves to lie,and she admits that on the logs...and i believe these are real logs
not_so_special is a GamerGuardian, empowered by GamerGate's Light to fight The Corruption and save video games for everyone. Show some respect!
We have an full access to everything he owns?
If your answer is no then it's still only his side of a story.
And if that's all true it's still an angry ex venting.
Azure Dream
Member
In a committed, closed relationship, people shouldn't be sleeping with other people without consent of their partner. The genders don't matter.
D
Deleted member 126221
Unconfirmed Member
Okay, let's say this is true. Then what? Please elaborate, as I'm not sure what you are trying to say or prove here.
I have a son who's an avid gamer.
I'm worried that some day in the future he'll say "white knight" in serious conversation. Ugh.
Time to get him into baseball for reals.
It's starting....
shacklesmcgee
Member
If she lied about something, she could hypothetically lie about anything. Would you believe her if she said she wasn't a time-traveling assassin who shot JFK form the grassy knoll? I wouldn't.
Pretty much feel the same way. The whole thing is embarrassing. Really, at least for me, this was a private/personal matter that was leaked online. I hate that it became something about the industry, when it really wasn't. I've said this many times, but the ex-bf's goal was never to impact the industry in any shape or form. It was 100% personal. And so, it's really crappy that people took it up as some cause/crusade.
I wonder how we will look back at this stuff a year from now. Are we going to have more shit like this? Will anyone feel shame?
Yes but I think Bill Clinton got less hate for cheating on his wife than Zoe Quinn is getting.
But he was just president of the united states I guess not a twine indie game dev.
It's also none of your or anyone else's business what she does in her personal life, and most definitely does not justify anything that people have done so far.
plagiarize
Banned
Is anyone here saying 'Zoe Quinn is an upstanding paragon of morality'? Some people seem to think we're saying that.
We're not.
Here are three facts.
1. Zoe Quinn's relationship with her boyfriend went very sour.
2. He accused her of all sorts of stuff online.
3. Criminal abuse of Zoe Quinn was provoked by the accusations.
I don't care if she cheated on her boyfriend. It has no bearing on journalistic or artistic integrity in the gaming sphere. The giant wall of hate her ex opened the floodgates on (and I love how on his epic blog that he wrote after provoking all this, he says 'but don't harass her guys!') is the issue and it is indicative of a bigger problem.
The thing about slut shaming, isn't that someone did or didn't act like a slut, it's that you are trying to harm that person for it, and to create a misogynistic ideal where girls won't be promiscuous or cheat on their boyfriends ever.
We need to do something about the internet attack dogs that her ex was able to unleash. He is culpable for unleashing them.
'But she actually cheated on him!' is distraction. Her immorality doesn't deserve the massive reaction it has caused. The people horrified at what has been done to Zoe genuinely don't care if she did something immoral or not. So you are wasting your breath.
If the genders were reversed, you have to be a willfully ignorant to think the internet would have gone after the cheat with equal venom.
We're not.
Here are three facts.
1. Zoe Quinn's relationship with her boyfriend went very sour.
2. He accused her of all sorts of stuff online.
3. Criminal abuse of Zoe Quinn was provoked by the accusations.
I don't care if she cheated on her boyfriend. It has no bearing on journalistic or artistic integrity in the gaming sphere. The giant wall of hate her ex opened the floodgates on (and I love how on his epic blog that he wrote after provoking all this, he says 'but don't harass her guys!') is the issue and it is indicative of a bigger problem.
The thing about slut shaming, isn't that someone did or didn't act like a slut, it's that you are trying to harm that person for it, and to create a misogynistic ideal where girls won't be promiscuous or cheat on their boyfriends ever.
We need to do something about the internet attack dogs that her ex was able to unleash. He is culpable for unleashing them.
'But she actually cheated on him!' is distraction. Her immorality doesn't deserve the massive reaction it has caused. The people horrified at what has been done to Zoe genuinely don't care if she did something immoral or not. So you are wasting your breath.
If the genders were reversed, you have to be a willfully ignorant to think the internet would have gone after the cheat with equal venom.
outunderthestars
Banned
That, and looking into the 11 year old girl who the internet harassed made me rather sad.
QuantumZebra
Member
It's her private fucking business what she does. What are we? The internet morality police???
Captain Tuttle
Member
Heard a story about women in gaming on the BBC this morning (mostly on the Tropes vs Women series), the more public coverage this gets the better. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Yeah, I agree. I wonder what the solution is for this. It's kind of funny, because a lot of people clamor about the free web. But the more years go on, and the more we get incidents like this, the more I feel like we are going to be heading towards more legal regulation/oversight.