5 Things I Learned as the Internet's Most Hated Person

SOME-MIST said:
funny how she posts this as the whole ordeal died down.
XFD @ labeling herself the internets most hated person and trying to stir shit up again
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Well, she was asked to do so, and wrote a rather thought provoking piece about what it is like to have the seedy underbelly of the internet attack almost every aspect of your life. Not sure if I would call her essay an attempt to stir shit up, as much as it is an attempt to reclaim her life.
 
Corto said:
The editor's note is spot on
The editor's note is spot on


A few weeks ago our message board and general inbox were bombarded with demands we address something called the "GamerGate Scandal", posts written with the urgency and rage one would associate with, say, discovering that Chipotle burritos are made entirely from the meat of human babies. It's apparently a big deal in some circles, so we followed the links and read the piles of data presented, and had to stop and take a deep breath just to grasp it all. "Gentlemen," we said amid the stunned silence, "do you realize that if what they're saying is true, then this is still the most pointless fucking bullshit anyone has ever forced us to read?"
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So friggen true and awesome post by the editor. I honestly still don't get the whole thing. Sounds like a bunch of jelous nerds pissed they aren't getting laid too, so they made her life miserable on the internet? Damn, so much needless drama, let her screw who she wants to, it's her life not theirs...
 
Kurod said:
Well...
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When you explicitly tell people to harass you in exchange for Smash demo codes it kinda looks like that.
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Her response seems more deadpan, like she's gawking at the things people resort to in perpetuating this whole mess.
 
Orayn said:
Her response seems more deadpan, like she's gawking at the things people resort to in perpetuating this whole mess.
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I find it remarkable that you even have to explain this. It's like some people's brains have gone on complete holiday.
 
Angelus Errare said:
So many of you bums have been saying she did "a lot of bad stuff" so I've looked into it and I can't find shit other than she had sex. Okay...?
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Oh it gets worse, real worse. I couldn't possibly tell you because nobody else has, but I'm totally assured it gets worse. Something to do with rigging the Oscars or something...? It's all a big blur now but it must be awful, surely.
 
I can't believe the level of abuse this woman had to endure over what exactly again? I also can't believe that there seems to be so many of these woman-hating types willing to post openly here on gaf. I mean, their lack of decency is a given, but don't they value their memberships or care about how unbelievably pathetic they come off as being? Seriously, to the banned in this thread, I hope you all get lives some day.
 
I don't care about the personal lives of devs, as long as their games are good.

Miyamoto can strangle an orphan I'm still gonna play his games.
 
I know it's bannable to not read the OP, but what about the article itself? It seems like a lot of comments are railing on Quinn for the timing of the article and the title, neither of which were (seemingly) done by her.
 
This shit is so silly. I can't believe people cared what some random angry dude posted about his ex and didn't just tell him to take it to livejournal.

So many people in here too caught up on the title or other dumb things.
 
Dr.Acula said:
Thank you! It's hard enough to get people to take seriously DRM (XBone launch) and privacy issues (PSN hacking), wholesale plagiarism (flappy bird clones on iTunes) and aggressive trademark enforcement (Candy Crush Saga suing over usage of the word Saga), so seeing space and time wasted on this nonsense was maddening.

There is no news here, only gossip. SimCity lying about their reasons to be always on, then astroturfing sites like Neogaf and others with lies about the cloud was a serious issue that deserved the inches it got. What the hell was gamers gate? At least Driv3r was an old fashion payola scandal, Depression Quest is so Lo-Fi indie it's barely a consumer product.
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This! I like you.
 
Stet said:
It's a really sad world we live in when someone being a hypocrite is somehow worse than systemic sexism in an industry to the point that it even overshadows it.
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nerds for some reason find hypocrisy to be the absolute worst possible trait for a human being to have

i don't really get it, personally
 
Azula said:
I can agree with this. I just feel there need to be more studies done on the impact technology is having on how we deal with issues and how it impacts a persons growing psyche ( although there probably are studies being done, it takes time). Because as it stands now, I do feel like we need better education about how we use the internet.
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I suggest you take a look at cyberpsychology if you have the time. I admittedly haven't read much of it yet, but it may contain something interesting for you.
 
shacklesmcgee said:
I know it's bannable to not read the OP, but what about the article itself? It seems like a lot of comments are railing on Quinn for the timing of the article and the title, neither of which were (seemingly) done by her.
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It would be nice to get this conversation back on the topic.

The essay seems to come at an interesting time, with Notch wanting to step away from internet fame while citing the This is Phil Fish video as something that factored in the decision.

Even with that, it seems like Anita and Zoe have received a disproportionate amount of vitriol to their male colleagues. Zoe's essay is a rather scary glimpse into the kind of response she gets from a small number of people who seem to think it is somehow ok to terrorize someone just because they don't like them/their work.
 
I still don't see what's the awful thing she did in order to get so much heat.

- She made a bad game
- She had SEX (oh noes)
- She lied about stuff?

Uh, okay.
 
Angelus Errare said:
So many of you bums have been saying she did "a lot of bad stuff" so I've looked into it and I can't find shit other than she had sex. Okay...?
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There isn't anything else except people pulling shit out if the air. She was a shitty girlfriend to this dude, he wrote a very thorough blogpost about it (that seems more like a form of self therapy, than anything else), then idiots used it to make a case for how it shows Zoe Quinn fucked for coverage and games journalism is corrupt at it's core, even though the blogs says nothing of the sort. This in turn caused all the worst scum of the internet to come out of the woodwork and use the whole ordeal as an excuse to making personal attacks against Zoe Quinn and all sorts of other shit.

So yeah, all in all it's just a big shit show.
 
Rm88~ said:
I still don't see what's the awful thing she did in order to get so much heat.

- She made a bad game
- She had SEX (oh noes)
- She lied about stuff?

Uh, okay.
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Is Depression Quest considered bad too? I was actually considering making a thread about how good I thought it was.
 
aeolist said:
nerds for some reason find hypocrisy to be the absolute worst possible trait for a human being to have

i don't really get it, personally
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Sweeping generalizations can be puzzling like that.

Is Depression Quest considered bad too? I was actually considering making a thread about how good I thought it was.
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It came under fire in the same fashion as Gone Home and Dear Esther for being a 'non-game' insofar as relating to its lack of interactivity/'systems' traditionally associated with gaming.
 
Eidan said:
Is Depression Quest considered bad too? I was actually considering making a thread about how good I thought it was.
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No idea, I haven't played it (and to be honest I'm not interested). I'm just assuming the worst and it still doesn't make sense :P Bad games are not precisely hard to find.
 
Rm88~ said:
I still don't see what's the awful thing she did in order to get so much heat.

- She made a bad game
- She had SEX (oh noes)
- She lied about stuff?

Uh, okay.
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The internet is full of closeted misogyny. All of these things are applicable evidence in those folks' eyes. It really doesn't take much.
 
Eidan said:
Is Depression Quest considered bad too? I was actually considering making a thread about how good I thought it was.
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it's an instance of "gamers" banding together to label something as a "shitty non-game" so they can clearly define to everyone what is and isn't allowed in the video game space

the exclusionary and bigoted behavior makes it extra funny when people start saying bad things about "gamers" as a group
 
gaboumafou said:
And I ask you again: who are you to judge what is and what is not "true feminism"? It's not "true" because defending women in gaming also mean defending herself, is that what you are trying to say?
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What I classify as "true" revolves about wheter you believe in the tenets you uphold or not. By my standards and what I know, Sarkeesian is a "true" feminist, Quinn is not.

It's not about defending herself but about her discrediting as misogynist anyone who oppose her regardless if it matters, as what happened when depression quest got rejected and she accused who didn't approve the game to be a misogynist while the game is really mediocre. After that accusation the game began to win awards and it's legitimate to think that some were out of guilt-trip.
Stet said:
Hang on, read what you just wrote again with one tiny change and let me know what you think of your opinion when it's applied to a different offence.
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil

But I'll accept your challenge and clarify that what I mean is that if someone is bad, being victim of something worse does not automatically make him better than before he suffered, while he may be better than who hurt him.

Let's say a thief is raped. Surely a rapist is far worse than a thief, but I'd say that the rapist should be tried for rape, while the thief should be tried for theft. It's even consistent as the sentence for rape is far harsher.

Or do you think he should be condoned because was a victim of some other crime himself?

Also it's ironic as by her own standard she herself is a rapist as I pointed out before.

Stop It said:
I don't know where to start with this, between this and your follow up post, who the hell are you to say who is a "true" feminist or not. You're reaching to try to discredit someone because you do not like them.
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You can se the top of my post for that.
Also yes I dislike her, but because she's a liar, not because she's a woman, if you try to deduce something like that.

Stop It said:
Private matters are bloody irrelevant here and your deliberate mis-representation that Zoe thinks she is a "heroine in gaming" is pretty telling.
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Misrepresentation? It was her who referred to herself as "one of the few strong voices for feminism in gaming"

Stop It said:
She isn't perfect, who is? That does not disqualify legitimate points she raised and in no way justifies the treatment she has been receiving. Argue the ideas, not the person, first rule of debate.
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When she uses the ideas to discredit others or gain unrelated advantage I think that should be permitted to brought this up.
I believe that feminism is a good cause and is still needed in this world, but I think nonetheless that she's not a good person on her own right and I feel the need to point it out.

If I approve the ideas, but she does not believe in those ideas she holds up for her own image, I'm willing to contend the point she wants to make because I have reason to believe it will not be in line with the ideas she claims to endorse.
Stop It said:
Ah, so she brought it on herself, got it.
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It's funny because you said you did read my post.
 
Garcia said:
I liked this one:

Truth In Gaming: An Interview with The Fine Young Capitalists
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I'd like to give these guys the benefit of the doubt, and some of the complaints about her do seem worth concern, at least with regards to this issue. But the fact that right off the bat they list a DDOS attack as one of the things that happened, when it was pretty damn clear both at the time and after that all that was happening was that her linking it caused an increase in exposure that their site wasn't set up to handle, makes me skeptical of everything they say after that.
 
Dr_LucienSanchez said:
You can't just make a post like this and not elaborate. Please, do tell us the gaf hivemind's stance.
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He can choose to do whatever he wants, so can you or so can I. But I hope he returns to post.

Hasn't Gamergate moved on to Destiny and how Bungie is complaining about "early" reviews?
 
ShinLuigi said:
Always hated the stance GAF seemed to have on this issue. Especially Evilore's incredibly condecending and clearly disingenuous post about it.
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So, what's concretely another stance?
And I don't mean vague bullshit about ethics or the other side. What are accurate and factual talking points that somehow make sense?
I'm not asking for videos or images but a few sentences that describe this.
 
From what I understand about this situation:
1) She had sex with 5 journalists to get better publicity for her game
2) She made up several hoaxes about being harassed for being a woman (before the whole gamergate thing happened)
3) The fact that she cheated on her ex was meant to show off her true character and that she wouldn't be above doing immoral things.

It's good that she got called out but everything else is excessive and not needed. It's a shame that we're not pursuing the easily corruptable "journalists".
 
Entryhazard said:
What I classify as "true" revolves about wheter you believe in the tenets you uphold or not. By my standards and what I know, Sarkeesian is a "true" feminist, Quinn is not.

It's not about defending herself but about her discrediting as misogynist anyone who oppose her regardless if it matters, as what happened when depression quest got rejected and she accused who didn't approve the game to be a misogynist while the game is really mediocre. After that accusation the game began to win awards and it's legitimate to think that some were out of guilt-trip.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil

But I'll accept your challenge and clarify that what I mean is that if someone is bad, being victim of something worse does not automatically make him better than before he suffered, while he may be better than who hurt him.

Let's say a thief is raped. Surely a rapist is far worse than a thief, but I'd say that the rapist should be tried for rape, while the thief should be tried for theft. It's even consistent as the sentence for rape is far harsher.

Or do you think he should be condoned because was a victim of some other crime himself?


You can se the top of my post for that.
Also yes I dislike her, but because she's a liar, not because she's a woman, if you try to deduce something like that.


Misrepresentation? It was her who referred to herself as "one of the few strong voices for feminism in gaming"


When she uses the ideas to discredit others or gain unrelated advantage I think that should be permitted to brought this up.
I believe that feminism is a good cause and is still needed in this world, but I think nonetheless that she's not a good person on her own right and I feel the need to point it out.

If I approve the ideas, but she does not believe in those ideas she holds up for her own image, I'm willing to contend the point she wants to make because I have reason to believe it will not be in line with the ideas she claims to endorse.

It's funny because you said you did read my post.
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Zoe is not guilty of any crimes that we know about. She is the victim of actual crimes however.

We need to *never* lose sight of that.
 
Entryhazard said:
What I classify as "true" revolves about wheter you believe in the tenets you uphold or not. By my standards and what I know, Sarkeesian is a "true" feminist, Quinn is not.

It's not about defending herself but about her discrediting as misogynist anyone who oppose her regardless if it matters, as what happened when depression quest got rejected and she accused who didn't approve the game to be a misogynist while the game is really mediocre. After that accusation the game began to win awards and it's legitimate to think that some were out of guilt-trip.
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Okay fine, but your "standards" don't really mean anything about what feminism is in reality. Do you also have arbitrary standards like that for people against racism or homophobia? "Hey, he's against homophobia but that's only because he's gay! That's totally selfish!"

From what I get, you don't know a whole lot about feminism, so I don't know why you think you have the authority to declare who is and who isn't feminist. It reminds me of those gamergate people judging who is a "real gamer" and who isn't.
 
I read this and vaguely remember hearing something about the story, but I never realized the harassment, etc. was so intense. This was a silly conspiracy theory anyway... was sex so foreign a concept that they imagined it gives any woman mystical powers of control over any man they choose?
 
Stylo said:
From what I understand about this situation:
1) She had sex with 5 journalists to get better publicity for her game
2) She made up several hoaxes about being harassed for being a woman (before the whole gamergate thing happened)
3) The fact that she cheated on her ex was meant to show off her true character and that she wouldn't be above doing immoral things.
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You are completely wrong on 1 and 2.
 
Stylo said:
From what I understand about this situation:
1) She had sex with 5 journalists to get better publicity for her game
2) She made up several hoaxes about being harassed for being a woman (before the whole gamergate thing happened)
3) The fact that she cheated on her ex was meant to show off her true character and that she wouldn't be above doing immoral things.
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So basically you don't understand anything about this situation past what 4chan tells ya.
 
Stylo said:
From what I understand about this situation:
1) She had sex with 5 journalists to get better publicity for her game
2) She made up several hoaxes about being harassed for being a woman (before the whole gamergate thing happened)
3) The fact that she cheated on her ex was meant to show off her true character and that she wouldn't be above doing immoral things.
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i would wager you don't really "understand" much
 
DrGonzo615 said:
Nobody gives a shit that she had sex with 5 guy, but people do care that a developer is sleeping with the so-called journalists that are covering her games. Its totally unethical from a journalism standpoint.

Please see InternetAristocrats vids on the topic...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmy5OKg6lo&list=UUWB0dvorHvkQlgfGGJR2yxQ
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As I understand the accusations, she slept with A journalist *after* he wrote favorably about her game.

If I was going to decide who was in the wrong there, it wouldn't be Zoe.
 
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