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I feel like I say this a lot in these threads, but again, what does it matter?
5 Things I Learned as the Internet's Most Hated Person
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Thats true, but I would argue thats not the current gamer culture. There are people who play games whenever they can, and then there are "gamers" who make the millions of horrible comments on youtube, send death threats to devs, were/are those shitty online kids whose only babysitter was call of duty, and people who use the word "beta" to describe characteristics of people unironically.
To put the word "gamer" into perspective...
This is a motorcycle enthusiast:
This is a biker:
The degree to which you let your pastime define your identity is what separates a "game enthusiast" from a "gamer".
Opinionatedfish
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To put the word "gamer" into perspective...
This is a motorcycle enthusiast:
This is a biker:
The degree to which you let your pastime define your identity is what separates a "game enthusiast" from a "gamer".
Hmmm.... I take it that you are saying that the biker is a bad person? Your example makes no sense in the real world. The person with the "rocket" may actually spend more time and money on their hobby than the "biker." I think you need to use a less hateful comparison that does not rely on unfair social prejudices.
what I find odd is people had forgot this, that's the way the internet moves frankly. She is not the most hated person on the web, that's some hubris right there to think humanity gives a shit who she is.
This is nothing more then a deliberate attempt bring more attention to herself, kind of shows her arguement up.
This is nothing more then a deliberate attempt bring more attention to herself, kind of shows her arguement up.
As far as I know, the journalist in question only briefly mentioned Depression Quest in a couple of articles prior to their supposed hook-up, so I don't think that would be worthy of criticism.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
To put the word "gamer" into perspective...
This is a motorcycle enthusiast:
This is a biker:
The degree to which you let your pastime define your identity is what separates a "game enthusiast" from a "gamer".
So what makes the guy on top a motorcycle enthusiast? What if he considers himself a biker and just does it in a different way?
Did I say all gamers are bad people? No.
I was was saying the definition of a gamer seems to be based around how much the person lets it permeate their identity.
I'm sure there's plenty of gaming enthusiasts who build $2000 PCs, because they can, but they don't let it define them as a person.
EdibleKnife
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It's strange to see this "too big for her britches" sentiment pop up on a message board that otherwise thrives on hype and hyperbole but whatever. For at least a second can we agree that at least to her, being inundated by vitriol to the point that it affected her real life, for a few weeks it must have felt like she was the most hated person on the net? Or do we still seek to somehow paint her as a shrew in the face of the overwhelming material that shows the shit she has to deal with is real?
I probably spend more money on retro games and have a much larger collection of retro imports than many self-described "gamers", but I would never identify myself as one.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Yep, the internet allows people to show their true nature, not surprising people suck on the internet... they just restrain themselves in real life...
I was just curious since I hadn't heard anything about it earlier. Though I haven't been following the drama for the last week or so anyways.
Opinionatedfish
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Yet many people claim to be gamers. Go listen to the Iwata "I am a Gamer" GDC speech. Everything we do defines us as a person. Also, what is wrong with letting your actions, the people/things you like/love, and your friends define your image? You're trying to make "gamer" a slur in your example. Don't do that. Just state that people shouldn't be assholes to each other. Don't disparage an ever increasing amount of people because of a dozen or so assholes.
That just come off as horrible. Don't be horrible.
Edit: auto correct changed be to end.
Holy shit will you people just read the article and stop claiming that she is calling herself the most hated person on the internet to revel in attention and stay in the spotlight?
There seriously needs to be a barometer tho keep this kind of post from reappearing over and over.
He gets it.
I've been playing games for 25 years, and I have a moderate sized collection that I'm proud of, but I don't identify as a gamer.
but there is a clear difference between people who play games and gamers. i have played games for 25 years, i've owned a high-end gaming PC for 15, and i've put maybe 10 hours into a link between worlds in the last few days, but i do not identify as a gamer because that word means something to me that i don't want to associate with
the increasing demographic is people who play games, i very much doubt many of them think of themselves as gamers
But what's the difference? To me, gamer means "is into games". I had never considered this term to mean "considers him/herself a game-playing entity first, and then a person".
Michael F. Assbender
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Two things:
1. The only people who would even care about someone else's sex life are those who have none of their own.
2. Anti-feminists are all absolute assholes. All of them. To believe it's wrong to be proud of being a woman, or to try to shame a woman for being outspoken and strong is just pathetic.
There are so many actual evils in this world to focus on. If these (obviously intelligent, on a purely intellectual level) hackers and shit-smearers would put this much energy into solving some actual problems, this world would be a much better place, instead of the place extraterrestrials drive by while shaking their heads.
1. The only people who would even care about someone else's sex life are those who have none of their own.
2. Anti-feminists are all absolute assholes. All of them. To believe it's wrong to be proud of being a woman, or to try to shame a woman for being outspoken and strong is just pathetic.
There are so many actual evils in this world to focus on. If these (obviously intelligent, on a purely intellectual level) hackers and shit-smearers would put this much energy into solving some actual problems, this world would be a much better place, instead of the place extraterrestrials drive by while shaking their heads.
poorlonelycomputer
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You know how that stereotype will go away? People not acting like sexually repressed angry nerds sitting in their mom's basement. This Gamergate bullshit has set back the credibility of "gamers" by, like, decades, and it's nobody's fault but their own.
Opinionatedfish
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Yet a person who plays games is a gamer or a game player. You may just be acting slightly pretentious because you might perceive that "gaming enthusiast" is a slightly "higher" and more "elite" sounding term.
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Hey, just so you know, you're victim blaming
Yep. Just like everyone that watches a film is a cinemaphile or anyone that listens to music is an audiophile, right?
because, while i enjoy video games, they are not a defining characteristic of my personhood.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
I guess it gets the same stigma as an otaku... a real obsessive person that only does one thing and one thing only.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=otaku
What I find odd is that people like yourself enter a conversation and proudly admit that they didn't read the article the conversation is about by making assertions like this.
Opinionatedfish
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And my point went over your head.
A person watches a movie is a movie goer or a viewer. A person who listens to music is a listener. The term cinephile or audiophile is usually reserved for a critic or producer. Again, bad example.
I'm saying that gamer is not a slur and it is just silly to pretend it has to be one.
"Gamers", who took ownership of the term, have let "gamer" become a slur all on their own.
Some labels tend to define the more extreme of a group.
It's like, you can enjoy anime without being a "weeaboo".
You can love cooking without being a "foodie". (My boss is a foodie, and won't shut the fuck up about whatever latest recipe he cooked.)
I don't think it's wrong that I want to separate myself from a definition.
That's true for me as well, but still, before this particular scandal I thought "gamer" was as harmless as "cinephile" or "bookworm". It's news to me that "gamer" now means "game-playing entity whose personhood revolves around this hobby".
Again, that's new to me :/
I think a player is what you would call someone that is playing a video game. If you ignore context and apply the term inside of a vacuum, sure, "gamer" is an ok term. However, the term "gamer" has associations with me of people that put the hobby above all else and it is the predominate interest.
Cinephiles and bookworms also tend to be viewed as more intellectual than someone who lines up to buy the latest Call of Duty at midnight.
Crumpet Trumpet
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Lmfao. The gay agenda is so efficient even homophobes support marriage equality now
Opinionatedfish
Member
Except that "gamer" isn't widely accepted as a slur and it shouldn't be. Let's call the people who are being awful "gamergaters" and leave it at that. Don't drag the word gamer into it because the mainstream perception of it is not a negative one.
Cinema and literature are experiences that are easier to share without such a high bar of investment too imho. For example, I love Japanese 2D shooters, they're like my favorite genre of game. I'm not going to be able to pop in Mushihimesama Futari and expect, say, my girlfriend to derive the same sort of enjoyment from it as I do. the barrier of enjoyment is far too high for a mere observer. However, if I show my girlfriend Goddard's Breathless, chances are she is going to enjoy it without having an encyclopedic knowledge of cinema.
This doesn't really contradict the idea that they're comparable terms. People who have an interest in [hobby / medium / etc.]
They really shouldn't mean anything else. And as far as I knew not that long ago, they didnt.
They absolutely are comparable terms. I'm just saying that some terms are viewed with more esteem than others.
Title of the piece lays the foundation for the article. That's writing 101. Also add the opening paragraph what advertises who she is and her game(including links). I Stopped after that because she explained herself perfectly in a few lines.
I don't really mind this. I honestly think I'm a gamer because I'm into games, and that's it. I have other interests as well, and I wouldn't be offended to be called whatever term means I'm into animals, languages, history, etc.
Poimandres
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So I read the article, and may as well throw my two cents onto the well of coins.
Firstly, this should never have been a public matter. I certainly would never want to earn the ire of the internet, because that is some scary shit.
That said, if she really did cheat on the guy I don't blame him for flying off the handle with some huge revenge post. I wouldn't react like that personally, but it's a painful position to be placed in and people react in different ways. Did she ever address if that much was true or not? Because this article kind of seems to gloss over that aspect.
Regardless, this should never have become a "thing" and I feel bad for her and her family.
Firstly, this should never have been a public matter. I certainly would never want to earn the ire of the internet, because that is some scary shit.
That said, if she really did cheat on the guy I don't blame him for flying off the handle with some huge revenge post. I wouldn't react like that personally, but it's a painful position to be placed in and people react in different ways. Did she ever address if that much was true or not? Because this article kind of seems to gloss over that aspect.
Regardless, this should never have become a "thing" and I feel bad for her and her family.
Opinionatedfish
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Again.. You are stereotyping and that may not be helpful to civil discourse.
We are a bit off topic though. Anyways, interesting article. It's her side of the story and it reads with a personal agenda to it. Which it should, as it is her side of the story. It didn't change my opinion of the events that took place though. For those wondering, I think that harassment is not okay. Also, unfair labeling is also not okay.
So you're an animal-lover, linguist, historian gamer?
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
The title is to grab attention. I'm willing to bet she didn't actually write that title, and an editor did instead.
And the opening paragraph tells the reader who they're reading about??? Be still my heart! Why would she ever want readers to not be confused?! Maybe so they can understand (and therefore give a shit about) what they're about to read?
Gimme a fucking break.
You're selling your girlfriend short. My partner picked up multi-uniting in Wonderful 101 over the course of one playthrough, and she'd never touched games before dating me.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
The situation sort of revealed how awful it is to be an enthusiast gamer on the internet - whether you're female, male, transgendered, developer, player, whatever.
The "scandal"...
- Gave a segment of hateful people yet another target to harass
- Gave other segments of people a bunch of flags to rally behind instead of engaging in conversation
- Gave other segments of people something to dogpile on (the "gaming journos are corrupt" and "SJW are poisoning gaming" all jumped in on the party even though they disavowed the original attacks)
- Gave journalists an excuse to not address some of the legitimate concerns being brought up (instead, painting it as "oh man, dem mysogonistic gamers. How dare they even challenge us with their questions?")
- Gave everyone an excuse to talk down and belittle anyone who wasn't on their "side" of the issue, regardless of what was being said.
The most awful part was the personal attacks (which were aimed against ALL sides once the stones started flying, unfortunately). The next-most awful part was the complete lack of empathy for the "other side". It was just so dogmatic and political I almost started to believe some of the "conspiracy" stuff ... was thinking in my head "there's no way people on all sides of this can be so ignorant to what the other side is saying. This has to be staged in some way".
The "scandal"...
- Gave a segment of hateful people yet another target to harass
- Gave other segments of people a bunch of flags to rally behind instead of engaging in conversation
- Gave other segments of people something to dogpile on (the "gaming journos are corrupt" and "SJW are poisoning gaming" all jumped in on the party even though they disavowed the original attacks)
- Gave journalists an excuse to not address some of the legitimate concerns being brought up (instead, painting it as "oh man, dem mysogonistic gamers. How dare they even challenge us with their questions?")
- Gave everyone an excuse to talk down and belittle anyone who wasn't on their "side" of the issue, regardless of what was being said.
The most awful part was the personal attacks (which were aimed against ALL sides once the stones started flying, unfortunately). The next-most awful part was the complete lack of empathy for the "other side". It was just so dogmatic and political I almost started to believe some of the "conspiracy" stuff ... was thinking in my head "there's no way people on all sides of this can be so ignorant to what the other side is saying. This has to be staged in some way".
Haha, she's watched me play Mushihime Futari AND W101 both!
I don't think she particularly enjoyed either...
MrCunningham
Member
I still don't know who Zoe Quinn.is and why she is so hated.
She made some games or something? Good for her....?
She made some games or something? Good for her....?
If she did cheat on him, that's between her, him, and maybe a few of his close friends. Not the entire fucking internet.
I've been cheated on, and it hurt like you wouldn't believe, but I dealt with that shit in private.
I think nearly every adult I know has experienced it and dealt with it the same way I did:
I got hammered and hung out with pals.
Like that's what you're supposed to do right?
NoirVisage
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"No true scotsman" in full effect.
And your #1 is silly, may as well have said basement dwelling neckbeard white male who will never get laid ever.