Coffee Dog
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It glosses over that aspect due to its irrelevancy. It's personal drama, why would she comment on it?
5 Things I Learned as the Internet's Most Hated Person
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It glosses over that aspect due to its irrelevancy. It's personal drama, why would she comment on it?
Opinionatedfish
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There was an admission that she did cheat. Also, that should not be a story. The only reason to care who someone has sex with is if that person is also having sex with you. I just think people should leave Zoe and Eron alone.
Why does she need to explain that when the whole Internet already knows who she is(Apparently). Whole premise of it is an invasion of her privacy. Why is she laying down more details and facts about who she is.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Sums it up pretty well.
Unless I'm misinterpreting what you meant, I don't see why you can't agree this entire thing is an unlawful harassment campaign against her based on flimsy 'corruption' accusations while personally not liking her. I still don't like Phil Fish despite absolutely agreeing and believing his life got systematically ruined when Polytron and his private details were hacked. Somebody becoming a victim of a crime and having sympathy for their suffering doesn't also mean I should suddenly like them as a person. Conversely not having sympathy for something horrible happening to someone because you don't like them would be pretty awful.
Incidentally if you had a few links to the other guest articles on Cracked you were talking about (I stopped reading them a couple years ago since there's only so many Top 10 'x' articles I can stand) that'd be appreciated, since they sounded pretty interesting.
W101 is hard to watch in general unless you know whats up. When we first started dating, she trash talked me playing Madden, until I asked her to join me. We had to stop playing when she almost beat me and I started sweating, lol. She says I shouldn't care if she can beat me, but I can't not. So now we just stick to co-op. She bought CoDBlops 2, WarriorsO3 and W101 for us. We're currently waiting for Hyrule Warriors and Bayonetta2. She's been dying to play Bayonetta, I even have it on PS3, but I want her to enjoy it, so October it is.
Just invite your girlfriend to play Nintendoland, Pikmin or Dk, and go from there. After that, Metroid got my partner hooked on shooters.
King Mac of Furry Frog
Member
Never heard of her.
Poimandres
Member
Yeah, I agree completely.
I've been in the same situation, and I dealt with it privately as well. But I've also had friends who've had very public meltdowns over this kind of thing and I didn't blame them for reacting in that way. People on the internet picking it up and running with it is a real sign of the times, and not in a good way.
She plays Nintendoland, Animal Crossing and Mario Kart 8.
I can live with it if that's all I can get her to play lol
Journalistic standards buckle before the almighty Quinn.
aliensandwich
Neo Member
Yeah, It's really hard to make an article funny when talking about being raised as a sex slave.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Don't accuse me of logical fallacies when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing I said qualifies as a "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Blanket statement, sure. Ad hominem, you bet. Hell, you can even accuse me of poisoning the well if you want to stretch the definition of that fallacy. But know what you're talking about before trying to call me out. It'll help us both out.
As for my number one, say what you like. It's my opinion, and as unreasoned as it may be, it still stands. It wasn't shared because I had hoped it'd be a shining example of a logical argument. It was an impassioned bitch-fest.
But I'm not wrong.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Seriously?
She's not sharing anything that's not known or can't be discovered via a simple Google search. But she explained anyway for those (like many in this thread) who maybe hadn't heard of her.
Just because you have an axe to grind with her doesn't mean every little thing she says or does is wrong.
Edit: Apologies for the double post.
Edit 2: This is my final post in this thread. I've seen some things I really want to respond to in a harsh way that would likely get me banned. So I'll just not do that. Have fun, y'all!
Quote
Member
The thing a that bothers you is that she is posting about herself, in a story about her experience that she was asked to talk about?
Wait, why does any of this bother you? Let's gets down to the root of the problem.
There's this weird dicotomy where the entire internet goes into "We have to burn her life down because that could've been us" mode while claiming that they always hated her and would never date her anyway. It's weird.
Poimandres
Member
Primarily because it's the catalyst that started the whole debacle?
It just reads like she's dismissing the whole thing as untrue in this article, which doesn't sit quite right with me.
I agree.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I was under the impression Cracked editor's approached her to write something up since they kept getting bombarded with a ton of emails about it, not the other way around.
What's wrong with Cracked's submission process anyhow?
EdibleKnife
Member
Don't be so obtuse. Cracked as a site thrives not only on hyperbolic list titles but readers who aren't exclusively gamers. It's insane how much people are focused on the freaking title and not the 2 page body where she describes her experiences in detail.
It was a good run but he wasn't able to pass Roger Maris.
Was a good read. Loved the editor's notes that bookended the article.
!! Goodness
DyslexicAlucard
Member
I don't know if this was covered anywhere in the thread yet -- I've only read the first three pages -- but to the people saying things like, "She wasn't the most hated person on the internet! How narcissistic!" or something along those lines:
It's not about what was *literally* true. The title is how she *felt* at the time. Imagine you're a random indie dev that almost no one has heard of. Now imagine that, all of a sudden, you're receiving death threats, getting "doxxed" and having your family harassed as well. This would obviously be overwhelming and, subsequently, make it very easy to feel like the lowest, most hated person in the world.
Hence the title.
It's not about what was *literally* true. The title is how she *felt* at the time. Imagine you're a random indie dev that almost no one has heard of. Now imagine that, all of a sudden, you're receiving death threats, getting "doxxed" and having your family harassed as well. This would obviously be overwhelming and, subsequently, make it very easy to feel like the lowest, most hated person in the world.
Hence the title.
neurosisxeno
Member
The detail is rather slanted I must add.
Forgot to add a bullet point:
*people talking about it ad nauseum on a forum for videogames.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You don't want to read about social injustice? Then don't. I assume by coming into this thread, you already know you'll be outraged.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
Good read, mostly saddening comments.
The internet trolls are vicious as all hell.
The internet trolls are vicious as all hell.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I was asking what people had to dislike her about.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Which I'm still trying to figure out. I could understand if she made someone die of starvation or purposely leaving them homeless on the street or even some Donald Sterling level of racist shit where it fuck's with people's actual lives, but I have yet to see these "Horrible things." that make her a highly disliked person.
plagiarize
Banned
Er, no. The most awful stuff was the death threats based on peoples gender.
People with legitimate concerns being raised about journalism would do well to distance themselves from the hashtag engineering that a bunch of bigots started in an attempt to distract from their bigotry.
That would make it harder for journalists to ignore the valid criticisms, you know?
I talk down to and belittle people who I believe to be acting bigoted. I don't think I need any excuse for that.
Which of the people on the same side as the bigots (be they bigots themselves or not) suffered anything as horrible as what happened to Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian?
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Not saying I agree, but its the vibe I get sometimes...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Okay you're banned, but since I know there are those who disagree with you, can someone explain to me what's extreme about Zoe's position? As far as I can tell all she's asking for is to be left alone
DICKS AHOY
Banned
After reading more through this thread since my original post I probably should've just left it since other's have already given a response that more or less mirrors mine; I don't have a high opinion on someone who cheats on their partner repeatedly. I absolutely agree it's none of our business and it's far more common than you think (and usually not broadcast to the entire internet in a fashion like this), but when you've already found out I'm not sure how you're meant to mentally block it out when somebody asks your opinion on a person.
It doesn't really impact my thoughts on the rest of this entire drama or Quinn's role as a victim of far more significant backlash and abuse, nor do I feel the need to throw that as a 'disclaimer' every time I comment on gamergate, but in this particular case since you're asking there's my response.
Sure, here are a few links (much credit to Amir0x, who also posted a collection of such links in the past, which I am now borrowing from):
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4 (this is in regards to an incident of harassment which you can read about here)
5
6
7 and 8 (same incident)
9 and 10 (general Wikipedia links for more information)
Of course, sexism, racism, and bigotry aren't unique to the video games industry, but the industry is significantly more behind than others on such issues.
You're both Hawaiian as far as I'm concerned.
Yup. Gamer is into games.Some are assholes. Most of us are nice people.
lorebringer
Member
This isn't an example of No True Scotsman, if it's anything it's relative privation. Please understand the terms you use it would make everyone's life a little bit better. Also the use of something that can be construed as a fallacy does not automatically make a given point invalid, especially in this context where it's not being used as an underpinning to a full argument.
Agent Gibbs
Member
I managed to avoid 99% of this story, is it even worth me delving into any of it now?
my vaguest of vague understandings was supposedly she slept with reviewers for good reviews, based on information provided by her jilted ex looking for revenge.....
it was at that point i lost interest and realised there would be truth on both sides, we'd (the public) never get to know this as its a private matter and should be left as that.
Is that about right? correct me if i'm wrong, but like all internet dramas played out its only interesting in a sideshow way and will just get used as part of opposing ideologies "proof" of "X" happening
my vaguest of vague understandings was supposedly she slept with reviewers for good reviews, based on information provided by her jilted ex looking for revenge.....
it was at that point i lost interest and realised there would be truth on both sides, we'd (the public) never get to know this as its a private matter and should be left as that.
Is that about right? correct me if i'm wrong, but like all internet dramas played out its only interesting in a sideshow way and will just get used as part of opposing ideologies "proof" of "X" happening
RubberJohnny
Banned
There were no positive reviews, all of the claims have been examined and found to be without evidence, but people decided to attack her anyway.
This one is actually pretty clear cut - the people attacking were in the wrong (and were mostly orchestrated by 4chan), the people condemning harassment were in the right.
The middle ground is giving people who think dinosaurs are a big LOL from God equal weight with Palaeontologists.
Messofanego
Banned
There is no truth in her sleeping with reviewers for good reviews, that was debunked and mentioned in that article. Whatever truth there is on the other side is a personal matter and not something that concerns the wider public.
Agent Gibbs
Member
It obviously developed far further after i'd lost interest....So basically it was a "good old" /b/ raid that managed to actually garnish some media and forum attention and become massively more successful (in the trolls eyes) than anticipated...
WOW just makes this entire stuff even more pathetic, internet drama is 99% of the time just momently stupid and soul destroying...this reaffirms my belief of this (if it even needed it)
STEALTH EDIT: So the Ex may have started this by posting it to 4chan to gather people for a raid? is that right? if so then she should get a civil case against him! or did /b/ just happen on the blog post/manifesto/bullshit that the Ex wrote and decide to do this "for teh lulz"? equally as bad but you can't exactly take a case against anonymous people
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RubberJohnny
Banned
The Ex wrote that he wanted to send her into therapy - so yeah, the guy seems like a complete bellend as well as a bit of a controlling monster that anyone would want to escape from.
I guess regular restraining orders fall apart when your ex can inspire an internet army to make your life hell.
I guess regular restraining orders fall apart when your ex can inspire an internet army to make your life hell.
afternoon delight
Member
This will serve as a nice coda to the incident if she doesn't write another three articles.
I don't like her very much, but I do feel bad for her and what happened. I do really dislike that she called out other game's journalists and said they were anti-feminist and made targets out of them too though. She basically took what was happening to her and set it upon others who weren't involved. Obviously you're not going to make great decisions with that much stress, but let's just say that no one really came out smelling like roses, justified or not.
bigmit3737
Member
She cheated on her boyfriend with 5 different men?
Is this part true?
Is this part true?
do you have a link to this?
SparkPeople
Banned
Thanks, I really appreciate those links. I've read the first five, and agree that there is a sexism problem in gaming (I've never denied this, but some may assume I do).
I think articles like this should be the basis of the anti-sexism movement in gaming. Not allowing developers to push go-go dancers onto audiences, and not letting people like Atari's CEO to treat women poorly (I do like how her male co-workers never really cared about her gender though.) It seems like the problem stems from marketing, and that the people who grew up with that marketing have internalized it.
The second polygon article was interesting. I guess the shift of gaming being male-centric started with...the gameboy. Ironic.
Regardless, by addressing studio's attitudes, particularly management it would do more good than attacking consumers.
I do have to point out that in the links you showed me, there is always backlash against sexist action. People like Bakhtanians should be rooted out, and removed from the face of gaming culture.
Whether it's true or not, it's none of our business.