Tesseract
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50 Shades of Grey- The movie: Reviews
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what's your safety paragraph?
cursedDice
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I don't even know what you are trying to say or imply...
Tesseract
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what happens if you forget your safe word?
pokeystaples
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I really hope we get one after this steaming turd is done.
Tesseract has a hilarious knack for sardonic trolling. It's cute but best to be ignored.
It's also apparently popular to poke fun at anything women find enjoyable. I would expect nothing more from this forum.
Mengy
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Yeah, I had a gf for many years who loved to be dominated. It was fun, and it really got her excited, so I had zero problems doing it. My current gf isn't into that kind of stuff so much.
A terrible movie/book is a terrible movie/book regardless of which gender enjoys it.
cursedDice
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Yeah, I had a gf for many years who loved to be dominated. It was fun, and it really got her excited, so I had zero problems doing it. My current gf isn't into that kind of stuff so much.
I know right? It's fun to have a girl who wants that kind of action...and hard to go back to one who only enjoys 'standard' sex.
Wasn't it a wild success? Isn't it more problematic that there's a huge audience for this stuff?
Tesseract
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there's lots of mutuality in taste, c'mon man
I can't figure out how they've managed to make it work from the trailers but in the books it's completely first person. Anastasia has internal narration with herself, her subconscious, and her "inner goddess." From what I can gather, she seems schizophrenic and pretty fucked up herself but I haven't seen anyone else touch on that.
I mean sure, we all have internal monologues but the author makes Anastasia ACTUALLY HAVE a "devil on her shoulder" and an "angel on her shoulder."
Tesseract
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that sounds radical, i hope they nail it
It features passages of him hitting her where she goes along with it, not because she's into it in any way shape or form, but because she doesn't want to piss him off. That seems pretty abusive.
I've read major chunks of them (I'll admit to skimmingpast most of the porn), and while there's a surprising amount of reflecting on how fucked up it is that he's in to BDSM for books supposedly about BDSM, there's little long-term reflection on the actual problem. It's not fucked up because he gets off on spanking or whatever, it's fucked up because of the specific interactions between the pair.
But most of the reflection seems to center around how fucked up that specific kink is, and IIRC the ultimate resolution is that they have
an ultimately much more vanilla relationship. Christian's still a controlling fuckwad, though, which is totally cool.
blame space
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.. you guys don't have an inner goddess?
A great Valentine's Day movie.
You're a breath of fresh air in off topic where, at times, a leftist puritanism as sanctimonious as any bible thumper's predominates. The story Masquerade posted speaks to the spirit: fantasy is somehow normative; fantasy and reality are conflated at every turn provided its politically expedient. As silly as the book/movie strike me, they are far from frightening. Instead, it seems incredibly patronizing to assume that the millions of women who were drawn to the work are incapable of identifying their own erotic fantasies and then differentiating these from actual desires. According to wikipedia "50-91% of people surveyed on university grounds in various places in the USA admit to having had a homicidal fantasy." Nothing suggests these fantasies "shape what we become." OT is often a lot like taking a trip to your fundamentalist grandfather's house for the holidays, though you are not alone.
Tesseract
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ShemhazaiX
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I see what you did there.
Jesus, if this isn't grade A "mansplaining" I don't know what is.
I find it hilarious that the author spends the whole novel having Anastasia's subconscious calling her a ho for accepting Grey's gifts but then has him tell her not to feel that way. From an outsider's perspective, that's pretty disturbing. If Grey wasn't loaded, do you think she would actually stick with him through his fetish? Probably not.
I can understand the BDSM community finding the series trash but not for the reasons they describe. SPOILERS for why Christian Grey is the way he is, which is revealed A LITTLE in the first novel but more-so in the second:
So Grey was born to a crack whore mother who had abusive boyfriends that beat the shit out of her and called her a useless fuck up. Then when he's 15, he's basically forced into a submissive relationship with his mother's friend for 6 years but more than likely Stockholm Syndrome caused him to enjoy it and get more involved with BDSM to become a Dominant. So what does this tell us? Apparently the only people into BDSM were abused as children and are really fucked up. No one gets involved with it because it's actually enjoyable or fun according to Fifty Shades.
Although I would imagine the people decrying the series didn't actually read the novels and are just using the same image that's pasted over and over.
I never thought I'd see the day I posted in a controversial topic in the same manner as Elliott.
Deified Data
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I can't get over the fact that it's all repurposed Twilight fanfiction, but anything that further dispels the myth of women as chaste victims of sex instead of active participants is fine by me. Tons of women (and some men) fetishize being dominated. If that's what gets them off, more power to them.
alfredofroylan
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Expected considering that the source material is bad and at some point it was deemed as impossible to put on film.Damn the movie got wrecked..
my sympathies
Maybe you should stay away from the bathrooms.
adamYUKI
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Well-said. I agree wholeheartedly.
Tesseract
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cubicle47b
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Who isn't? I want to retire around age 52.
I only read most of the first one but HOLY FUCK at those spoilers =O
Many novels began as fanfiction though. You shouldn't let that fact throw you off. There have actually been two novels that began as Twilight fanfiction. To some extent, something that begins as fanfiction is almost the same as something that begins with the same basic plot. How many stories have been created that mirror the "epic hero" trope of "The Odyssey?"
electroshockwave
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Hey, cool. I respect your view on it, even if I disagree for now.
Thanks for the offer.
Haha!
Hey, thanks. I agree with you, although I don't know enough about OT to discuss the general tone / majority view.
I'm definitely on the left-side of the political spectrum, but I feel uncomfortable with any kind of discussion that seeks to police reasonable private sexual activity (and depictions thereof). I've got to say that of all that I've seen about this 50 Shades phenomenon, nothing has struck me as particularly egregious. It's just fairly light sexual fantasy. And I think the fact that so many women (like me and my fiancée) are quite happy with it really speaks for itself.
Provisional opinion, mind! I'm not dogmatic about this.
Megalosaro
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The difference is men are expected to work to earn their money. Women are taught to marry into it. That is why they want to marry lawyers and doctors.
I know it will be shit, but I have a morbid curiosity to go see it just like I did with Twilight.
That would be amazing.
That would be amazing.
Masquerader
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I wasn't quite aware of this, tbh. Sorry. That said, judging by the source material, it's gonna be bullshit regardless, even if it is watered down.
Also, I only read the first book.
Chapter 1: Christian stalks Ana, it's portrayed romantically.
Chapter 2: He's already getting possessive in spite of the two not being a 'couple' yet, when Ana talks to another man (SHOCK! HORROR!), he's clearly deeply unhappy. Even though they're still technically barely anything more than strangers at this point.
Chapter 3: Ana is told taht she is to be referred to as her first name, but cannot refer to Christian as such, instead being told to call him 'Mr Grey', or 'Sir'.
Chapter 4: Literally the same shit from Chapter 3 (it IS a terrible book).
Need I go on...?
? Kinda inaccurate.
Sequels, the fact that lots of people who watch movies and TV are idiots (for instance, a worrying amount of people genuinely see Walter White as the good guy), general acceptance and the blurring of the lines of consent, etc...
I mean, I get it, guys. BDSM is a thing, I know. Completely different from rape and abuse though. The book is the latter, and the movie is likely to be so as well.
... And the book's terrible. Seriously, it's fucking terrible. Actual porn is visual, written better, and doesn't cost anything.
Deified Data
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I'll take a page from gaming-side and repurpose an argument meant to counter claims of "this character is her own woman, who are we to decide how she dresses": the work doesn't exist in a vacuum. 50 Shades is indisputably a primer on the author's fetish. Whether or not the character owns her sexuality is irrelevant if the author owns it for her. A scenario that reads as coercive or non-consensual in the books should be viewed through the lens of the author's tacit sanction, at least when attempting to criticize the work on a thematic basis.
You can argue the books are tripe and the characters are poorly realized and you'd probably be right, but you can't really label it as problematic on reading the book alone. Understanding the context of the author's investment in the work is essential. She's acting out her fantasies through a fictional proxy.
"wife never came home last night gaf, what do?"
Exploratory
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A girl I'm interested in wants to see this so I'm seeing it. Not much I can do. I'm trying to convince her of The Kingsmen though.
cubicle47b
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Yeah, I understood what you were saying. I'm just saying I'd like to marry into wealth too. At the very least the people I date need to have careers (and not want to have children). DINK forever.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Too bad you don't get to decide how I spend my money. Additionally it's generally frowned upon to openly endorse piracy around here.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The author referred to the books as her own version of a midlife crisis. Pretty sure there's no deep misunderstood themes that the author gets that no one else gets. The books are awful, (I doubt the author has ever participated in actual BDSM), and unsurprisingly the film is as well.
I love people being sanctimonious about other people's chosen enjoyment of fiction.
BUT YOU CAN'T LIKE THAT!!!
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BUT YOU CAN'T LIKE THAT!!!
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Trust me, go to Shades instead. And this has nothing to do with Kingsmen.
That the author nurtures an abuse or rape fantasy doesn't stop the act from being abuse or rape, though, is what I'm getting at. We get first-person narration of somebody clearly not enjoying a spanking session, cooperating out of fear, and then the book gets slapped with the BDSM label.
My basic objection is that the book couches some very unhealthy shit behind a kink label--if people enjoy the abuse/rape fantasy, that's awesome for them, but I think it's important it be acknowledged for what it is and not lumped in to BDSM because... That's not what it is.
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