7.0 earthquake hits Haiti, death toll may reach 200,000

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That girl died, just saw bodies dumped from a dump truck into a grave like so much trash (i kinda understand why... but why not even pictures taken?), and now the U.N pulled out some docs from a triage area for the time being.

Shit's crazy. And I thought the worst was over. I'm an idiot.
 
This is a sad situation :-/ . Looks like its going down hill. There will probably be uninjured people dying due to lack of food or water. This really makes me put my life in perspective.
 
The devastation is so overwhelming. So many sad stories, and so many people affected by this. Those of us that are more fortunate really need to pitch in any little bit we can.
 
Relix said:
Puerto Rico. We haven't had an earthquake in about 92 years. We are very overdue for one.
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Not necessarily. Plates are alway in motion. We can't predict earthquakes yet, but just because an earthquake happens on the same plate doesn't mean that one will happen again along that same plate. It depends on a lot of factors such as the type of bedrock you are over, and the impact on the surface depends on the type of fault, and the topsoil your buildings are built on. Earthquakes are very frequent, but big ones in populated areas aren't as frequent. Think of bedrock within the earth as a piece of silly putty. The rocks are under extreme heat and pressure, and therefore can bend and stretch. Also, much like silly putty, if enough pressure is exerted at once, those rocks will snap. That is what causes the energy to be released. There is now way to know when a fault will give way.

Long story short, just because you haven't had an earthquake in a long time in your area doesn't mean that you are due. Depends on more factors than we understand right now, otherwise scientists would be able to predict an earthquake coming.
 
xbhaskarx said:
"When we did what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens."
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WTF? People have no basic geography knowledge should shut up. I mean, religious people saying stupid things I understand, religion afterall is not exactly something scientific and rational. But globle warming? Earthquake? How the fuck are these two things related in any form?

People should stop taking cheap shots at unfortunate events. I really hate these 'hey I told you so blah blah blah'.
 
semiregular said:
WTF? People have no basic geography knowledge should shut up. I mean, religious people saying stupid things I understand, religion afterall is not exactly something scientific and rational. But globle warming? Earthquake? How the fuck are these two things related in any form?

People should stop taking cheap shots at unfortunate events. I really hate these 'hey I told you so blah blah blah'.
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well you know beacose of all the bad things we did Eywa, wait no, bad Enosh, I mean Gaia is figthing back

someone had one or two screenings of avatar too much

edit: ffs things not think -.-
 
What a tragedy for the people of Haiti. Those photos were really hard to look at.

I donated what I could to the American Red Cross. I'm glad to see the overwhelming support from people so far.
 
semiregular said:
WTF? People have no basic geography knowledge should shut up. I mean, religious people saying stupid things I understand, religion afterall is not exactly something scientific and rational. But globle warming? Earthquake? How the fuck are these two things related in any form?

People should stop taking cheap shots at unfortunate events. I really hate these 'hey I told you so blah blah blah'.
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Sounded like his heart was in the right place at first, but he threw in a bunch of buzz words at the end that made him sound pretty ignorant.
 
I don't think they still can pull people out alive after this many days huh?

After 25 hours of digging through rubble, Joel Rathon finally rescued his wife. Fifteen minutes later she was dead. His son and three other relatives remain buried. "I don't have tools to do so many things," he says - CNN
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I mean you pull them out and they still die soon after :(
 
Smiles and Cries said:
this is so fucked up this is where those trucks end up

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/01/16/cooper.haiti.mass.graves.cnn
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It was far worse on CNN earlier today: It was this same footage of Cooper at the mass grave, but none of it was blurred out. I was quite shocked to see close ups of tangled limbs and bloated corpses on TV... Also, at the end of this video when the dump truck arrives, the report didn't suddenly end, it showed fifty or so bodies falling out of the back of the dump truck, and then the truck beginning to drive away. :-(
 
xbhaskarx said:
This morning, Danny Glover gave his expert opinion on the Haitian earthquake. He says the catostrophe was caused by climate change and global warming.


YouTube Video

So according to Pat Robertson the earthquake was caused by a deal with the devil, and according to Danny Glover the earthquake was caused by the recent non-deal in Copenhagen...

"When we did what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens."
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You can blame either Jesus or Gaia. If you pick wrong one of them will wreck your house though.

religion afterall is not exactly something scientific and rational. But globle warming? Earthquake? How the fuck are these two things related in any form?
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Some people can turn anything into a religion.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
I don't think they still can pull people out alive after this many days huh?



I mean you pull them out and they still die soon after :(
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I'm no medical expert, but from what I understand, if a limb or something is under intense pressure for extended amounts of time, deadly toxins will build up in the blood stream. As soon as the pressure is released, these toxins will be released to the rest of the body, attacking vital organs, and leading to death if not treated properly. There's just not enough help getting to these people in time. : (
 
Shirokun said:
I'm no medical expert, but from what I understand, if a limb or something is under intense pressure for extended amounts of time, deadly toxins will build up in the blood stream. As soon as the pressure is released, these toxins will be released to the rest of the body, attacking vital organs, and leading to death if not treated properly. There's just not enough help getting to these people in time. : (
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even with the highest class treatment there are still deaths.

"Release of the components of muscle tissue into the bloodstream leads to disturbances in electrolytes, causing nausea, vomiting, confusion, coma and cardiac arrhythmias (abnormal heart rate and rhythm). Furthermore, damage to the kidneys may lead to dark (tea-colored) urine or a marked decrease (oliguria) or absence (anuria) of urine production, usually about 12–24 hours after the initial muscle damage. Finally, disruptions in blood clotting may lead to the development of a state called disseminated intravascular coagulation.[1][4]"

a serious case of the last one will most likely kill you no matter what the hospital, the others aren't much fun either.
 
Unless they get mass amount of troops/police on the ground to coordinate this effort, this aid drop is going to fail. First thing is order needs to be restored.
 
xbhaskarx said:
It was far worse on CNN earlier today: It was this same footage of Cooper at the mass grave, but none of it was blurred out. I was quite shocked to see close ups of tangled limbs and bloated corpses on TV... Also, at the end of this video when the dump truck arrives, the report didn't suddenly end, it showed fifty or so bodies falling out of the back of the dump truck, and then the truck beginning to drive away. :-(
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I saw that first report... wow that was graphic. Then someone at CNN saw it, and covered up the really bad stuff.
 
semiregular said:
WTF? People have no basic geography knowledge should shut up. I mean, religious people saying stupid things I understand, religion afterall is not exactly something scientific and rational. But globle warming? Earthquake? How the fuck are these two things related in any form?

People should stop taking cheap shots at unfortunate events. I really hate these 'hey I told you so blah blah blah'.
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Oh but he does have religion...

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I donated this month's leisure money to Haiti, $100 in total. Having seen all of the coverage, I couldn't just sit back and do nothing. Their population needs the money a lot more than I need movies and video games.
 
some of this I would be concerned about , others seem like whiny people.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.ba6c91cdedb51ded113ef8daf2d1af0b.ec1&show_article=1

Anger built Saturday at Haiti's US-controlled main airport, where aid flights were still being turned away and poor coordination continued to hamper the relief effort four days on.

"Let's take over the runway," shouted one voice. "We need to send a message to (US President Barack) Obama," cried another.

Control remained in the hands of US forces, who face criticism for the continued disarray at the overwhelmed airfield.

Dozens of French citizens and dual Haitian-French nationals crowded the airport Saturday seeking to be evacuated after Tuesday's massive 7.0 earthquake, which leveled much of the capital Port-au-Prince.

But at the last minute, a plane due to take them to the French island of Guadeloupe was prevented from landing, leaving them to sleep on the tarmac, waiting for a way out.

"They're repatriating the Americans and not anyone else," said Charles Misteder, 50. "The American monopoly has to end. They are dominating us and not allowing us to return home."

The crowd accused American forces, who were handed control of the airport by Haitian authorities, of monopolizing the airfield's single runway to evacuate their own citizens.

The US embassy denied it was putting the evacuation of the approximately 40,000 to 45,000 American citizens in the country first.

Others waiting for a way out were taken aback by the chaotic scenes confronted them when they arrived at the Toussaint L'Ouverture airport.

"I haven't been able to tell my family that I'm alive. The coordination is a joke," said Wilfried Brevil, a 33-year-old housekeeper.

"I was at the Christopher Hotel," said Daniele Saada, referring to the headquarters of the UN peacekeeping force in Haiti, MINUSTAH.

"I was extremely shaken up. I was pulled out, the others weren't," added Saada, 65, a MINUSTAH employee.

"I decided to return to France. I have nothing and now I am stuck," she said, caught between fury at the chaos and sheer exhaustion.

The disorder even appeared to cause diplomatic ripples, with French Secretary of State for Cooperation Alain Joyandet telling reporters he had lodged a complaint with the United States over its handling of the Port-au-Prince airport.

"I have made an official protest to the Americans through the US embassy," he said at the Haitian airport after a French plane carrying a field hospital was turned away.

A spokesman for the French foreign ministry later denied France had registered protest, saying "Franco-US coordination in emergency aid for Haiti is being handled in the best way possible given the serious difficulties."

The US ambassador to Haiti defended American efforts at the small airport, which was up-and-running 24 hours after the massive quake, even though the air traffic control tower was damaged.

"We're working in coordination with the United Nations and the Haitians," said Ambassador Kenneth Merten, though he acknowledged some difficulties.

"Clearly it's necessary to prioritize the planes. It's clear that there's a problem."

Despite the chaos, a group of French citizens was eventually able to take off on Saturday, and the French plane carrying a field hospital landed safely around noon.

Still, with aid continuing to flood into the quake-stricken country, concern remains about the lack of coordination at the airport, and across devastated Port-au-Prince.

"The Haitians haven't been notified about the arrival of planes. And when they do land, there's no one to take charge and a large amount of goods are arriving without coordination," said Haitian government official Michel Chancy.

On Port-au-Prince's streets, the consequences of the coordination breakdown are clear, as traumatized and starving quake survivors approached passing foreigner and begged them for food.
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Security concerns cause doctors to leave hospital, quake victims

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/16/haiti.abandoned.patients/index.html?hpt=T2

Has this article already been discussed? I saw it on CNN while I was at my credit union yesterday and I just couldn't believe it...

I cannot believe doctors and nurses actually agreed to leave.... Kudos to Dr. Gupta(who I didn't even know was still actively practicing) and those that stayed with him.

Thinking about this just makes me so angry....
 
I bet Blackwater (Xe) will be there, in fact they probably already are.
 
Zyzyxxz said:
It's be more fucked up if aid money was used to pay for "security".
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Without "security", any aid in the form of supplies/money will not only be useless but will serve to only further enrich those attempting to take advantage of the situation and usurp more power.
 
DarienA said:
Security concerns cause doctors to leave hospital, quake victims

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/16/haiti.abandoned.patients/index.html?hpt=T2

Has this article already been discussed? I saw it on CNN while I was at my credit union yesterday and I just couldn't believe it...

I cannot believe doctors and nurses actually agreed to leave.... Kudos to Dr. Gupta(who I didn't even know was still actively practicing) and those that stayed with him.

Thinking about this just makes me so angry....
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Not sure I can fault human frailty here. Sanjay is more used to this than those other doctors. Like I said, he goes around to all sorts of crisis areas and just tried to help out. My mom met him at a refugee camp far away from cameras. He's a good man. PEACE.
 
I'm watching ABC World News, they just reported the government has already collected 70,000 bodies... and that doesn't include private burials. I think a thread title change is in order.
 
What's the best charity to donate to that's doing work there now? I'm a little suspicious of some of the lesser known ones, but I don't have enough time in the next few days to do research. Any suggestions?

Edit: nevermind, just went with Red Cross.
 
Undeux said:
What's the best charity to donate to that's doing work there now? I'm a little suspicious of some of the lesser known ones, but I don't have enough time in the next few days to do research. Any suggestions?

Edit: nevermind, just went with Red Cross.
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I'm giving to Partners in Health, but mainly because I know people that work with the organization. The Red Cross is of course a great choice.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
I'm watching ABC World News, they just reported the government has already collected 70,000 bodies... and that doesn't include private burials. I think a thread title change is in order.
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I wonder what the number of private burials would be... :(
 
avatar299 said:
So private charity is good but private soldiers are bad. Nice double standard.
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I don't see why this is double standard. Private soldiers are complete opposite of private charity and humanitarian efforts. Blackwater has many stains on them, and I can see why people are concerned if they should decide to mix in with this crisis. Security is important, but I can think of better candidates then controversial private security companies. (And what is the profit in Haiti for security companies?)
 
Pimpwerx said:
Not sure I can fault human frailty here. Sanjay is more used to this than those other doctors. Like I said, he goes around to all sorts of crisis areas and just tried to help out. My mom met him at a refugee camp far away from cameras. He's a good man. PEACE.
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They are part of the Belgian Red Cross... I find it hard to believe this is their first crisis/not 100% safe situation....
 
Hellcrow said:
I don't see why this is double standard. Private soldiers are complete opposite of private charity and humanitarian efforts. Blackwater has many stains on them, and I can see why people are concerned if they should decide to mix in with this crisis. Security is important, but I can think of better candidates then controversial private security companies. (And what is the profit in Haiti for security companies?)
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Are you blind? Their are bandits in the country and Security is possibly the most serious problem there. I don't see how the stains blackwater has is any worse than regular American soldiers either. if they do their job, then they do their job.

Quite frankly i would rather risk the lives and pay the time for blackwater operatives than American marines
 
DY_nasty said:
Not if its anything like New Orleans...
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And from the way it sounds, Haiti isn't much different. New Orleans (and Louisiana in general) is full of corrupt polititions. The area I'm from (St. Bernard Parish) is so corrupt it would blow your mind to know what they get away with.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
I'm watching ABC World News, they just reported the government has already collected 70,000 bodies... and that doesn't include private burials. I think a thread title change is in order.
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Yeah the estimate is now 100,000
 
xbhaskarx said:
It was far worse on CNN earlier today: It was this same footage of Cooper at the mass grave, but none of it was blurred out. I was quite shocked to see close ups of tangled limbs and bloated corpses on TV... Also, at the end of this video when the dump truck arrives, the report didn't suddenly end, it showed fifty or so bodies falling out of the back of the dump truck, and then the truck beginning to drive away. :-(
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wow.
 
Hellcrow said:
I don't see why this is double standard. Private soldiers are complete opposite of private charity and humanitarian efforts. Blackwater has many stains on them, and I can see why people are concerned if they should decide to mix in with this crisis. Security is important, but I can think of better candidates then controversial private security companies. (And what is the profit in Haiti for security companies?)
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some private charities have also quite a few controversies iirc

there shouldn't be a problem using Xe as long as you give them clear rules and RoEs under which to operate and make them be subject to military law

ofcourse giving them basicly no restrictions is a very bad idea, just like giving no restrictions to any military is a bad idea

on the other hand giving them too stricts restrictions is a also a bad idea
 
Having a buddy who works in logistics for the military in South Florida who is dealing with the Haiti relief, it's not about poor coordination that the media is reporting, it's simply they just don't got the room. There is lots of aid being given but for example they just don't have large enough airport for all the material coming in. These large ass cargo plains are just too big for the tiny airport Everyone wants to blame someone for this mess but they are doing the best they can with what they have.
 
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