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[analog_future]

Did you post your motherboard and ram you are using?

Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX mobo, 32GBx2 G.SKill Trident Z5 6000mhz CL30 ram w/ Bullzoid memory timings applied.


Just finished an hour-long OCCT CPU+RAM stress test, medium data set, "Extreme" mode, variable load type, AVX2 instruction set. Finished with no errors. Temps maxed out at 77 degrees. This thing is stable w/ -50 undervolt and 200mhz OC. Kinda can't believe it.

 

[XXL]

Just buy a PS5 Pro

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direct.playstation.com

 

[willothedog]

Just buy a PS5 Pro

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With the PlayStation®5 Pro console, enjoy incredible features like advanced ray tracing, super sharp image clarity and high frame rate gameplay. PS5® Pro is an all-digital console with no disc drive.

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Wouldn't a modern, state of the art CPU perform better than the three generation old ancient hobbled one in that?

 

[Senua]

Wouldn't a modern, state of the art CPU perform better than the three generation old ancient hobbled one in that?

XXL:

 

[GHG]

Perfect build for the environment you are running it.

I am an idiot (you know this) and just throw money at things to have the best and don't always think logically of how I am going to be using the system.

Did you go small form factor or just have a desktop hooked up to the TV. how has it been?

It's a Lian Li o11 mini air. Slotted it far away in the corner next to the sub by a little boom storage unit so it's fit in perfectly. Selected the case because of how similar it is dimension wise to the sub.

Spoiler

Didn't want to be messing around with anything smaller since it would require getting an matx/itx motherboard which are more difficult to sell on when it comes to it down the line (many years ago I had an matx Intel system, never again).

Just left the cooling configuration as standard on the case, came with 2 140mm intakes at the front and one 120mm exhaust at the rear. Run them at 40%, there's a peerless assassin 120 on the CPU and get the temps shown here under load:

I scored 24 345 in Time Spy

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

 

[DenchDeckard]

It's a Lian Li o11 mini air. Slotted it far away in the corner next to the sub by a little boom storage unit so it's fit in perfectly. Selected the case because of how similar it is dimension wise to the sub.

Spoiler

Didn't want to be messing around with anything smaller since it would require getting an matx/itx motherboard which are more difficult to sell on when it comes to it down the line (many years ago I had an matx Intel system, never again).

Just left the cooling configuration as standard on the case, came with 2 140mm intakes at the front and one 120mm exhaust at the rear. Run them at 40%, there's a peerless assassin 120 on the CPU and get the temps shown here under load:

I scored 24 345 in Time Spy

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

Mate, that looks awesome and fits well with the bookshelf and sub. My 2000D is just going to be stood up next to my fireplace but I might make a dedicated area for it once I've built it. Probs not going to get around to it until December time but I'll share a pic once done.

Still have my main desktop in my office but I'm interested to see how I adopt to running a pc on a tv that's normally just used for consoles.

 

[Fess]

Pretty good content by them. I hope that it puts to bed the "I wanna see 4k results" in the future. I mean, most of us already knew that testing CPUs in a GPU bound scenario isn't a good representative of a given CPU performance, but some people still had their doubts.
We need to remember that a benchmark isn't about showing to you exactly what you will see in home, is a metric of how a component does behave in comparison with another, but in a controlled environment. Unless your setup is exactly like the testbed, you won't see the same results, it's just useful to see what's the absolute faster, and observe the margins.
It's so good that it deserves it's own thread, if you're willing to make it, winjer

Thanks, exactly what I needed, that video show that it’s a waste for me to upgrade. I don’t agree that I’m a casual gamer but I only play single player games and certainly don’t aim for 200+fps so I still fall into his group that wouldn’t gain much by upgrading.

Next logical upgrade for me would probably be a VRR 120hz TV for the living room PC and PS5 Pro. Currently limited to 60fps there.

 

[Big Baller]

If I upgrade to this CPU will I finally be able to play dragon’s dogma 2 without stutter, I wonder.

Ask Capcom

 

[GHG]

Thanks, exactly what I needed, that video show that it’s a waste for me to upgrade. I don’t agree that I’m a casual gamer but I only play single player games and certainly don’t aim for 200+fps so I still fall into his group that wouldn’t gain much by upgrading.

Next logical upgrade for me would probably be a VRR 120hz TV for the living room PC and PS5 Pro. Currently limited to 60fps there.

Yep, a HDMI 2.1 VRR capable receiver is the next upgrade I'll be doing for the living room setup.

Any more upgrades to the PC (or even getting a PS5 Pro) would be worthless without first having that in place.

 

[nowhat]

I'm not sure if this has been posted here, but if not:



There's a longer video containing the entire livestream, this is just basically the setup, some of the tests done, and the conclusion. Liquid nitrogen is probably not the go-to choice for OC enthusiasts here, but there certainly seems to be some headroom for OC in general.

 

[Miggytronz]

So I game in 4k, I have a 4090 with a 12700k. How much more performance can I expect going with a 9800x3d build with a 4090 over the 12700k?

 

[Fess]

Yep, a HDMI 2.1 VRR capable receiver is the next upgrade I'll be doing for the living room setup.

Any more upgrades to the PC (or even getting a PS5 Pro) would be worthless without first having that in place.

Good reminder, I need a VRR TV + VRR receiver. That’ll… be a costy upgrade.

PS5 Pro was still worth it for me without VRR. No coil whine! As I said in a Pro thread, it’s like putting on noise cancelling headphones. Sooo good, my living room is finally silent. My base PS5 had the most annoying coil whine.
Plus, graphics are better/sharper and gets a nice upgrade when games are stable 60. Feels like going from mid to high. And I have the PC too when framerates are a problem, the Pro is mostly useful when I don’t want to wait for PC ports.

 

[SolidQ]

Escape from Tarkov

 

[ap_puff]

Escape from Tarkov

wtf that's huge, I wonder what is making that gap

 

[winjer]

 

[Ironbunny]

5800X3D is still a beast too. Will be interesting to see how the gap widens with the 5090.

 

[OverHeat]

My 9800x3D just shipped!!!!

 

[Ironbunny]

My 9800x3D just shipped!!!!

Nice! Mines coming next week. Still need a 3.1 PSU though.

 

[Cyborg]

What a beast!!! But still 7800x3D is amazing valua.

 

[Bojji]

They have chosen the most CPU heavy games (most reviewers use "normal" newer releases), 22% or something uplift. Fuck me, it's much better than I expected.

 

[Celcius]

My 9800x3D just shipped!!!!

Nice!

My replacement memory showed up yesterday (went for g.skill trident z this time) and tomorrow morning I’m driving over to microcenter to grab my new mobo.

Hopefully we’re all gaming at 300fps soon

 

[Hohenheim]

Just buy a PS5 Pro

Buy PlayStation®5 Pro Console | PlayStation® (US)

With the PlayStation®5 Pro console, enjoy incredible features like advanced ray tracing, super sharp image clarity and high frame rate gameplay. PS5® Pro is an all-digital console with no disc drive.

direct.playstation.com

Jesus.. again with the trolling from Herman Hulst over here.
Getting old at this point isn't it, Herman?

 

[SlimySnake]

Hoping 7800x3d goes on a steep sale. i hope microcenter has another $400 mobo cpu combo deal. I missed out last time.

 

[Kenpachii]

Nice to see 12900k still pulling its weight.

 

[SolidQ]

14900KS with 8400 memory vs 9800X3D

 

[Zathalus]

Man Frame Chasers “review” was something else. The cope is real.

 

[SolidQ]

Man Frame Chasers “review” was something else. The cope is real.

1 game tested?

 

[Zathalus]

1 game tested?

Multiple games, but is is a delidded 14900K with both extreme memory OC and CPU OC vs a stock 9800x3D that is not even using the best memory. Even then he is really reaching with some of his conclusions such in one game the 14900k has slightly better minimums but far lower average so that is clearly a win for the 14900k, while the next game has the 9800x3D has slightly better minimums but because it is so close it is basically a tie.

With that kind of bias and the financial stake he has in selling tuned kits, I doubt his entire review methodology.

 

[SolidQ]

delidded 14900K with both extreme memory OC and CPU OC vs a stock 9800x3D

You can watch above video. It's also OC memory

 

[Zathalus]

You can watch above video. It's also OC memory

I did, 14900k gets demolished. Which aligns with basically every reviewer out there. Frame chasers is the outlier (as usual).

 

[Senua]

It's very impressive. It's yuge.

 

[Bernoulli]

it's impressive but Zen 6 is coming in 2025

 

[daninthemix]

it's impressive but Zen 6 is coming in 2025

Zen 6 is impressive but Zen 7 is coming the year after that.

 

[Celcius]

Finally got my new mobo today, built the new PC, and I'm posting from it now.
Just finished getting all my stuff installed. Going to eat dinner and then start running benchmarks.

 

[GHG]

Finally got my new mobo today, built the new PC, and I'm posting from it now.
Just finished getting all my stuff installed. Going to eat dinner and then start running benchmarks.

Did you go for the same motherboard again?

 

[Celcius]

Did you go for the same motherboard again?

Yep, Asus ROG Crosshair X870E Hero
This one fired right up with my new G.Skill Trident Z5 memory (64gb, CL30, 6000mhz)
This is also my first time having RGB memory and I really like the way it looks.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

So I game in 4k, I have a 4090 with a 12700k. How much more performance can I expect going with a 9800x3d build with a 4090 over the 12700k?

+3.4% on average per techpowerup
so basically nothing

but you get better 1%, a few games will get a large overall boost, and the 12700k may start to falter in newer games so the 9800x3d would be better insurance going forward

i also game exclusively in 4k and have a 12700k, and i want the 9800x3d... but ~$800 for new cpu+mobo just doesnt make sense for me at the moment

maybe when i tard out and get a 5090 ill splurge for the 9800x3d too.

 

[TrackZ]

I guess this will be my new chip in a 5090 build. Been a long time since I had last gone AMD.

 

[Housh]

I'm in the same boat as the other two in this thread rocking 12700k + 4090. I may wait to see how the 9950x3d fairs as I always kicked myself not getting an i9 for some of the other work I do on this rig. Something nuts like that would get me on a new platform and just tie me over until 6090 as I don't plan on upgrading my GPU anytime soon.

 

[Silver Wattle]

+3.4% on average per techpowerup
so basically nothing

but you get better 1%, a few games will get a large overall boost, and the 12700k may start to falter in newer games so the 9800x3d would be better insurance going forward

i also game exclusively in 4k and have a 12700k, and i want the 9800x3d... but ~$800 for new cpu+mobo just doesnt make sense for me at the moment

maybe when i tard out and get a 5090 ill splurge for the 9800x3d too.

almost every game TPU uses at 4k is GPU limited and they don't seem to try to reduce that cap via dlss or turning down settings, they just hit the gpu limit and call it a day.
Who would play cyberpunk with RT at 44fps when using a 4090? no one, their gaming benchmarks are lacking in detail(they just state custom TPU scene for everything) and reality of settings that people would actually use at 4k.

 

[Vroadstar]

I just built a new PC with 7900xtx and Ryzen 7700x. Is 9800x3d worth an upgrade this early?
I game 1440p most of the time btw.

 

[Silver Wattle]

I just built a new PC with 7900xtx and Ryzen 7700x. Is 9800x3d worth an upgrade this early?
I game 1440p most of the time btw.

Probably not, but try to look for comparisons of the games you play the most, and weight that against how much money you want to spend on that performance upgrade.

 

[ap_puff]

I just built a new PC with 7900xtx and Ryzen 7700x. Is 9800x3d worth an upgrade this early?
I game 1440p most of the time btw.

What games do you play? I probably wouldn't upgrade.

 

[peish]

I just built a new PC with 7900xtx and Ryzen 7700x. Is 9800x3d worth an upgrade this early?
I game 1440p most of the time btw.

Trade in your 7700x, its worth it if you play plenty hours of games

 

[Hoddi]

I just built a new PC with 7900xtx and Ryzen 7700x. Is 9800x3d worth an upgrade this early?
I game 1440p most of the time btw.

You aren't realistically going to notice too much difference between any modern CPUs before the next console generation comes out. Maybe if you play CS2/Valorant on a 360-480hz display but there isn't really that much outside of that.

I recently upgraded my 6 year old 9900k to 7950X3D and FS2020 is the one single game I've found where it makes a truly meaningful difference. Everything else is basically the exact same on my 165hz monitor because most games are so GPU limited.

 

[SolidQ]

I just built a new PC with 7900xtx and Ryzen 7700x. Is 9800x3d worth an upgrade this early?

That is 7800X3D vs 9800X3D with 7900XTX

 

[Celcius]

Old System:
Windows 11 23H2
Intel 10700k with a small overclock to 4.9ghz all-core
32gb G.skill Ripjaws v 4000mhz CL16
Evga RTX 3090

New System:
Windows 11 24H2
AMD Ryzen 9800X3D
64gb G.skill Trident z5 6000mhz CL30
Evga RTX 3090

Cinebench 2024: (single-core / multi-core)
Old System: 80 / 755
New System: 134 / 1,324
68% and 75% difference!

Cinebench R23: (single-core / multi-core)
Old System: 1,322 / 12,526
New System: 2,098 / 22,475
59% and 79% difference!

WD SN850X ssd speeds: (read and write)
Old System: 3,565 mb/s and 3,254 mb/s (capped at pci-e 3.0)
New System: 7,373 mb/s and 6,610 mb/s

3DMark Fire Strike (total / graphics / physics / combined)
Old System: 33,109 / 50,744 / 25,733 / 10,424
New System: 43,226 / 50,452 / 39,197 / 22,514
31% difference in total score, more than double the combined score

3DMark Time Spy (total / graphics / cpu)
Old System: 18,778 / 20,755 / 12,197
New System: 19,494 / 20,358 / 15,717

3DMark Steel Nomad
Old System: 5,438
New System: 5,298
(margin of error, completely gpu bound)

Final Fantasy 15 Benchmark @ 4K Max Settings:
Old System: 9,321
New System: 9,260
(margin of error, completely gpu bound)

Final Fantasy 14 Dawntrail 1.1 Benchmark @ 4K Max Settings: (score / avg frame rate / min frame rate)
Old System: 12,046 / 84 fps / 53 fps
New System: 12,035 / 84 fps / 53 fps
(margin of error, completely gpu bound)

Final Fantasy 14 Dawntrail 1.1 Benchmark @ 720p Max Settings: (score / avg frame rate / min frame rate)
Old System: 25,704 / 193 fps / 81 fps
New System: 42,636 / 291 fps / 133 fps
66% difference!

SuperPosition 1080p extreme (score / avg fps / min fps / max fps)
Old System: 12,771 / 96fps / 73 fps / 126 fps
New System: 12,769 / 96fps / 74 fps / 125 fps
(margin of error, completely gpu bound)

Street Fighter 6 Benchmark @ 4K Max Settings (fighting ground / battle hub / world tour)
Old System: 60 fps / 115 fps / 111 fps
New System: 60 fps / 115 fps / 111 fps
(margin of error, completely gpu bound)

COD MW2 Benchmark at 4K Max Settings:
Old System: 72 fps
New System: 76 fps


The more cpu-dependent stuff shows a massive difference (aka cinebench or ff14 at 720p) but when gaming at 4K it looks like I'm GPU bound most of the time. Still though, it puts me in a good spot for when I upgrade to the RTX 5090 next year and it's interesting to be back on AMD hardware as I've been on Intel since the Core 2 Extreme X6800. It's also great not to be bound by pci-e 3.0 anymore and the wifi on this board is much faster too.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

almost every game TPU uses at 4k is GPU limited and they don't seem to try to reduce that cap via dlss or turning down settings, they just hit the gpu limit and call it a day.
Who would play cyberpunk with RT at 44fps when using a 4090? no one, their gaming benchmarks are lacking in detail(they just state custom TPU scene for everything) and reality of settings that people would actually use at 4k.

i mean, pretty much any modern game at native 4k is GPU limited.
if you prefer native 4k, or play games where DLSS isnt available, how a cpu performs here is relevant.

barely any 9800x3d reviews use native 4k.
eurogamer has 4k benchmarks, but they use DLSS for almost every benchmark, so thats just basically using a lower resolution.

DLSS can be very effective, and i get not blindly maxing out every setting... but im not spending thousands and thousands of dollars on hardware to use friggin DLSS performance at 4k.

 

[Marlenus]

i mean, pretty much any modern game at native 4k is GPU limited.
if you prefer native 4k, or play games where DLSS isnt available, how a cpu performs here is relevant.

barely any 9800x3d reviews use native 4k.
eurogamer has 4k benchmarks, but they use DLSS for almost every benchmark, so thats just basically using a lower resolution.

DLSS can be very effective, and i get not blindly maxing out every setting... but im not spending thousands and thousands of dollars on hardware to use friggin DLSS performance at 4k.

Here are some sim racing games.

1080p triple is close to but even then you see some huge deltas. Also I like the addition of the GPU load indicator for the runs.

 

[winjer]

How not to kill your new and expensive CPU.