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[tedtropy]

WTF are you people's problem. He just said go out and vote. He didn't say "Vote for Kerry or you’re a bunch of racist right wingers." Yeah it's obvious that he leans more to the left but so fucking what he has the right to voice his opinion as much as the guy next to me at work has the right to say "Hey I think Bush is just great." Do you have to be a politician to make a statement about the goings on of the government? If that's the case then we would get told jack shit most of the time and just shit when they did say something.

To illustrate my point: I wish that Martin Luther King would have just shut the fuck up and preached the bible rather than spouting all his crap about dream’ in and shit. He's a preacher for Christ sake why should I listen to him about how we should treat the blacks. FUCKING MORON!!!! Also I can't stand that rich plantation owner Benjamin Franklin that decided to write that fucking Declaration of Independence crap. I don't need him to tell me about why I shouldn't like England? What gave him the nerve to think anyone wanted to hear what he had to say? He should stick with doing what he knows best running slaves and shut up about politics. .

At no point did I state that he didn't have a right to voice his opinion. I merely stated that I found cases such as this to be annoying. I didn't firebomb a Starbucks as a result of it. He has his opinion. I have mine. You have yours. And somewhere between all that exists a off-topic forum consisting of 99% opinion. It'll be alright.

 

[ShadowRed]

At no point did I state that he didn't have a right to voice his opinion. I merely stated that I found cases such as this to be annoying. I didn't firebomb a Starbucks as a result of it. He has his opinion. I have mine. You have yours. And somewhere between all that exists a off-topic forum consisting of 99% opinion. It'll be alright.

Dude the point of this discussion is that no one gets their panties in a bunch when a co worker says, "Bush/Kerry is great." Yet when a celebrity says it, and it's, "Shout the fuck up who are they to say anything? Just sing." Why do you find it "annoying" because they are a celebrity, when far more people who are not celebrities do the same thing and you probably don't pay any attention to? That's my beef. Like I mentioned on a previous post, no one gets all bitchy over a friend who suggest you see a movie that you happened to have already made your mind up on, yet a celebrity suggest the same thing and it's a 2 page thread on GA.

 

[tedtropy]

Dude the point of this discussion is that no one gets their panties in a bunch when a co worker says, "Bush/Kerry is great." Yet when a celebrity says it, and it's, "Shout the fuck up who are they to say anything? Just sing." Why do you find it "annoying" because they are a celebrity, when far more people who are not celebrities do the same thing and you probably don't pay any attention to? That's my beef. Like I mentioned on a previous post, no one gets all bitchy over a friend who suggest you see a movie that you happened to have already made your mind up on, yet a celebrity suggest the same thing and it's a 2 page thread on GA.

If said friend knew my view on the movie and was still trying to feed it down my throat, yeah, I'd have a beef with that. If I were in the middle of watching a concert and a singer felt the need to express his views on the present administration between sets (as many do), I'd definately have a beef with that. I paid to be entertained, not preached to. I should've been more specific in where my distaste lied, and for that I apologize, it was too general. Yes, celebrities are people too, and although I suspect most are pretty damn disconnected from the society some like to speak on the behalf of, that doesn't make their opinions null. I just think there's moments where it's inappropriate, but again, that's just my feeling on the matter.

 

[ShadowRed]

If said friend knew my view on the movie and was still trying to feed it down my throat, yeah, I'd have a beef with that. If I were in the middle of watching a concert and a singer felt the need to express his views on the present administration between sets (as many do), I'd definately have a beef with that. I paid to be entertained, not preached to. I should've been more specific in where my distaste lied, and for that I apologize, it was too general. Yes, celebrities are people too, and although I suspect most are pretty damn disconnected from the society some like to speak on the behalf of, that doesn't make their opinions null. I just think there's moments where it's inappropriate, but again, that's just my feeling on the matter.

So now your saying Maynard knew you don't like celebrities preaching to you, and said what he did to annoy you personally? Dude where have you been living? Don't you know enough about music and rock music in general to know that you are libal to get a lot more than just a performance. I've been to concerts where lead singer between songs jumped out into the audience and kicked some guy in the head and then jumped back on stage and finished the show. I didn't get all bitchy about it, I was like, "Whoa that singers an ass for kicking that guy in the head." and then continued enjoying the rest of the show. the point to the story is that a shitlaod of stuff happens at concerts beyond the performance and if you're going to get holier than thou because someone said something you didn't want to hear then you shouldn't go anywhere, because people are going to push their ideas on you where ever you go. You just have to ignor the ones you don't like, not expect the world to only influence you with ideas you want to hear.

 

[tedtropy]

So now your saying Maynard knew you don't like celebrities preaching to you, and said what he did to annoy you personally? Dude where have you been living? Don't you know enough about music and rock music in general to know that you are libal to get a lot more than just a performance. I've been to concerts where lead singer between songs jumped out into the audience and kicked some guy in the head and then jumped back on stage and finished the show. I didn't get all bitchy about it, I was like, "Whoa that singers an ass for kicking that guy in the head." and then continued enjoying the rest of the show. the point to the story is that a shitlaod of stuff happens at concerts beyond the performance and if you're going to get holier than thou because someone said something you didn't want to hear then you shouldn't go anywhere, because people are going to push their ideas on you where ever you go. You just have to ignor the ones you don't like, not expect the world to only influence you with ideas you want to hear.

Geez, at no point did I say expected the world to bend to my will. I'm not a utopian, and I don't think that any of my posts implied that. I was merely sharing that I found it annoying - nothing more. You know, the same way stepping on a nail would be annoying? Doesn't mean I expect nails to be banned. I was merely expressing an opinion. Now if you want to debate the circular logic of people's opinions, that's something else.

 

[Eminem]

On November 16th, A Perfect Circle will release aMOTION, a live DVD that includes a remix compilation on CD. This is the live DVD and remix album we have been talking about. Thanks to MOON from aperfectcircle-france.com for the new details.
Another release... Have you lost track? Let's break it all down: New album entitled eMOTIVe due out November 2nd. Axis Of Justice DVD / CD featuring a guest appearance by Maynard also due out November 2nd. Live DVD / remix album package entitled aMOTION due out November 16th.

 

[Eminem]

http://www.gyromart.com/videos/apc_sheep_com_high.wmv



now that is fucking awesome.

 

[tt_deeb]

http://www.gyromart.com/videos/apc_sheep_com_high.wmv



now that is fucking awesome.

I love it! Short but oh so sweet!

 

[Eminem]

The tracklist for the upcoming A Perfect Circle CD, eMOTIVe, due out November 2nd, has been posted here on Billboard.com. The compilation of 10 covers and two new songs shall include: Annihilation (Crucifix), Imagine (John Lennon), (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace Love And Understanding (Nick Lowe), Counting Bodies Like Sheep To The Rhythm Of The War Drums, What's Going On (Marvin Gaye), When The Levee Breaks (Memphis Minnie), Freedom Of Choice (Devo), People Are People (Depeche Mode), Passive, Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie (Black Flag), Let's Have A War (Fear), and Fiddle And The Drum (Joni Mitchell).

Only 2 new tracks? FUCKING WEAK.


covers should still be nice though. wanna hear Imagine and When The Levee Breaks the most.

 

[MrAngryFace]

Covers are interesting and all, but eh...they generally let me down. No matter who the artist is. Aimee Mann's covers of One and The Scientist, and Emiliana Torrini's cover of Blame it on the Sun are the exceptions of course ;P

 

[Eminem]

Well, the covers Maynard's done so far have been fantastic. Tool's No Quarter was fabulous, and APC's cover of Diary of a Madman/Love Song was good, while their cover of Ashes to Ashes is greeeeeeat.


But two new tracks? One of which we already know both sucks and blows? LAMe

 

[MrAngryFace]

It should be 2 covers, 8 new songs. Jesus Man Alive.

 

[tedtropy]

Only 2 new tracks? FUCKING WEAK.


covers should still be nice though. wanna hear Imagine and When The Levee Breaks the most.

I'm sure the die-hard Manyard fans would hate to admitt it, but the guy sold out long ago. Dishing out songs for big-budget movies and now this re-mix act. Now I don't hold selling-out against the guy, and I hope the remix CD is good, but I really would've liked some original works. I really liked the first two CDs and was looking forward to their true continuation...

 

[ced]

Being a big TOOL fan since the opiate days and really appreciating Maynards work, I gotta say this is in fact pretty lame.

The live dvd is nice though, and while I dont like the remixes Ive heard at all, Its a nice idea for a bonus cd.

Im certainly not planning on purchasing eMOTIVe, and once again Im a pretty huge fan.

 

[Eminem]

Eh, I wouldn't call it selling out at all. With APC he has a different persona. APC was always more media friendly than Tool. APV did a live show for MTV. Have you ever seen Tool do that? Of course not.

And wtf, all he's done on soundtracks are small collaborations and remixes....mostly on a soundtrack done mostly by his close friend Danny Lohner. Not like he went out and had APC write original music.

APC has always been like this. They've done about 4 acoustic sessions for radio stations and have all appeared on Fuse together. This is nothing new. He hasn't sold out at all.

Once you see Tool doing that stuff, then get back to me.




and yeah, bring on the live dvd

 

[tedtropy]

Eh, I wouldn't call it selling out at all. With APC he has a different persona. APC was always more media friendly than Tool. APV did a live show for MTV. Have you ever seen Tool do that? Of course not.

And wtf, all he's done on soundtracks are small collaborations and remixes....mostly on a soundtrack done mostly by his close friend Danny Lohner. Not like he went out and had APC write original music.

APC has always been like this. They've done about 4 acoustic sessions for radio stations and have all appeared on Fuse together. This is nothing new. He hasn't sold out at all.

Once you see Tool doing that stuff, then get back to me.




and yeah, bring on the live dvd

I said that Manyard kind of met the definition of 'sell-out', didn't say Tool as a band did. Like it or not, Manyard's a part of APC, so 50% of his personality or otherwise, he's still making concious decisions involving what happens with the music. I don't hold it against him. He makes good music (well, mostly) and he should take advantage of the fact. I don't quite understand people that look negatively on the act of selling out and I suppose I was trying to prompt a discussion to the effect...

 

[Eminem]

Ah, gotcha, gotcha.


:lol :lol :lol @ what someone on the apc.net boards said:

"o man this is renegade all over again."

 

[atomsk]

please oh god please let Freedom of Choice be done PROPERLY.

every fucking band who covers this song says the last chorus as

"freedom of choice
is what you got
freedom of choice
is what you want"

when the original really goes

"freedom of choice
is what you got
freedom from choice
is what you want"

i recall Devo themselves bitching about this at some point, perhaps in the anthology booklet, i cant recall.

</spud>

 

[tt_deeb]

They obviously had to meet some sort of deadline. I guess having to rush and put together a group of covers to release is selling out...

Depeche Mode cover should be interesting.

 

[Eminem]

cover art for emotive/amotion

well, if the cd sucks, at least we can say the cover art is badass

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Didn't Maynard pretty much convey his attitude to selling out on "hooker with a penis"?

 

[Paradox]

daaaamnn the Imagine song rocks

edit: I dont see a link for it in the thread so here: http://boss.streamos.com/real/virg0...agine_00_wm.ram or http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/vir...agine_00_wm.asx

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

ok, now im getting excited

 

[CajoleJuice]

This news makes me officially just care about the new Tool cd.

 

[Eminem]

i like it. the darker sound definitely goes with the album cover

 

[Eminem]

i'm really digging this now, lol. really dark...like he used a flat key. i assume the whole cd will be a darker note? hahahah.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

if the whole cd is soft and dark like this it will be excellent for some maynard sexathons

 

[Eminem]

FUCK. YOU. APC.

Virgin has sent out this press release officially announcing the upcoming release of eMOTIVe and aMOTION. It reveals some details about aMOTION that contradict a lot of what we've been expecting & reporting. Unfortunately, it will not be a full live performance DVD. It will, however, feature a lot of previously unseen footage, including a live performance of The Noose, as well as Joseph Perez' contest-winning Blue video along with those of three runner-ups. The aMOTION DVD shall also feature some exclusive commentary, as well as a photo and video gallery assembled by Billy including lots of backstage footage. Also thrown in: The band's music videos, and (as if we hadn't had enough), a trio of Bikini Bandits trailers. The aMOTION remix CD shall feature nine remixes, many of which have been previously released as b-sides. At least one however shall be brand new: According to Troy "Van Halen" Van Leeuwen (QOTSA, ex-APC guitarist), his remix of The Package shall be included.
We're sorry for leading you all on with promises of a live performance DVD. From what we can gather that was the original plan, but with the band already committed to working 15 hour days for weeks and weeks on end to get eMOTIVe done before Maynard has to go back to Tool, I think this is the best they could do.

FUCKING BULLSHIT

 

[Eminem]

news:

We have found some answers to some of your burning questions. First off, what happened to all the footage the band taped on the most recent tour and where's the live DVD? The answer to that one is: It's coming. The band intends to put together a proper live performance DVD compiled from footage from both the Mer De Noms and Thirteenth Step eras of touring. It may be awhile though; the band will take their time with it and first let these upcoming releases (eMOTIVe and aMOTION) run their course.
Burning question number two: The contract with Virgin. These upcoming releases shall indeed fulfill the band's three-album contract with Virgin records. I should clarify that by saying that Virgin's release and extensive marketing of these upcoming releases fulfill the company's obligation to the band. So it will be a long while after November 16th if and when we have anything to report regarding a new contract with Virgin or any other label. For now, all parties involved are focused on working these releases, and the future will be addressed in time.
To address questions raised about eMOTIVe and aMOTION, the track entitled Passive on eMOTIVe is indeed a completely new song and not a remix. Also, aMOTION shall feature all of the band's music videos, including the brand new one for Counting Bodies Like Sheep To The Rhythm Of The War Drums from eMOTIVe. Finally, Amazon has dropped the price of eMOTIVe from $18.98 down to $14.99.

 

[moist]

Fuck this eMotive and aMotion bullshit I want a full on live DVD already.

 

[tt_deeb]

:eek

 

[Eminem]

http://www2.fanscape.com/APC/video/imagine_interview_winhi.asp


the video for imagine + a short interview with maynard. pretty interesting video, even if you didn't like the song.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Wow, way to dick your fans over APC. No live DVD? Suck a dick. This is, indeed, bullshit. I'm afraid I won't be purchasing either CD or DVD.

 

[Diablos]

:lol

Who's the one hating on APC now? Not me!! I can't stop listening to The Outsider and Pet. Good songs.

But everyone, listen. Buy a bunch of Sonic Youth albums and forget about APC. Or any other band. Who needs eMotive when you have songs like "Youth Against Fascism." Ah yes. APC should have covered that song. It would have pissed off super indie people, but oh well.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

fuck all this, decline of civilization, ooh the world is so bad, lets not go to war. i say we should just fucking destory each other and let the planet fall out of abort. who really gives a fuck. Maynard go back to tool and sing give me Stinkfirst #2

 

[AlphaSnake]

:lol

Who's the one hating on APC now? Not me!! I can't stop listening to The Outsider and Pet. Good songs.

Like I said before, I call them as I see them. This pisses me off and I'm saying so.

 

[Optimistic]

http://www2.fanscape.com/APC/video/imagine_interview_winhi.asp


the video for imagine + a short interview with maynard. pretty interesting video, even if you didn't like the song.

Fuck!! I hated the cover, but as a package with the videoclip it's very powerful. If the videoclip was their original intention for covering the song then whether the cover itself is good (it isn't) is irrelevant. Props to APC.

 

[Eminem]

Fuck!! I hated the cover, but as a package with the videoclip it's very powerful. If the videoclip was their original intention for covering the song then whether the cover itself is good (it isn't) is irrelevant. Props to APC.

yeah...the first shot of the bloody guy with his head bent backwards made me cringe.

:lol i also thought the babies were a bit out of place

 

[tt_deeb]

I thought the video/song combination was great, it gave me chills down my spine. The babies however were pointless.

 

[Eminem]

I have some interesting details to share. First off, the song entitled Passive set to appear on eMOTIVe is indeed a new song as previously reported. However, it's not exactly an APC song. It's actually a reworked version of Vacant, the unreleased Tapeworm song that the band covered on their 2001 US tour.
Also, some of you may have come across a rather rare instrumental song entitled Army, which appeared on an early demo CD the band recorded in 1999 before signing their contract with Virgin. The track title and background story has all been confirmed, in case you're wondering.
Anyway, I'm bringing up the subject of Army today because I've learned that a finished version of this song just may see the light of day someday. There is a good possibility that it may evolve as a song on a solo album that Billy shall continue to work on as he finishes up some of the aMOTION special features. He'd probably rather it be a surprise... Well you guys can keep a secret, right? He'll be writing the songs and singing on them, and we're hoping to hear more about this project later this year or early next, after he gets back from some possible overseas promotional trips to support the new APC releases.

Awesome. Vacant fucking ROCKS

 

[tt_deeb]

I heard "Army" was a sort of tribute to Bjork song. (since Howerdel is a big fan)

 

[BuddyC]

Ah, Tapeworm. Neat.

 

[Blinky]

They fucking butchered Imaine.

I hate them now.

(And yet, I'm still buying the album.)

 

[Lakitu]

Maynard James Keenan planned to start working on the next TOOL album this summer, after A PERFECT CIRCLE wrapped up touring to promote their second album, "Thirteenth Step". But Keenan wanted to release A PERFECT CIRCLE's politically flavored album "eMOTIVe" in time for this year's presidential election, so he told Launch he asked his TOOL mates for special dispensation. "They understood this was an important thing to do, and so they gave me a, a hall pass for a few months," he explained. "We came off the road in, I think, June, and we started at the end of June, and just finished up, basically, at the beginning of September."

"eMOTIVe" — which is due out November 2, Election Day — features two new A PERFECT CIRCLE tracks, along with covers of protest and inspirational songs such as JOHN LENNON's "Imagine", DEPECHE MODE's "People Are People", NICK LOWE's "(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love And Understanding", and MARVIN GAYE's "What's Going On", as well as lesser-known punk rock tracks such as FEAR's "Let's Have A War" and CRUCIFIX's "Not So Quiet On The Western Front".

http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=27995

Does this mean a Tool album delay?