A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky

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Remember that this is just a working day for the team and that fixing issues that the server is experiencing will be their priority. Heck, they're probably all celebrating this second - because the game's launched. For us it has been hours of gritted frustration but for them it's just another day getting stuff done and hopefully chilled evening.



Yeah, this.



You are so humourless, B.
You're don't wait on situations like tvis. You act immediately to stop the bleeding
 
When I saw all the hype I really thought that the game had a complex explration system, with multiplayer...

If it's just a single player experiencie... I don't know what to say about the hype...
 
Remember that the devs said that the models were made and are there, just that we can't see ourselves, so for now we still can't see what our avatars look like.

Our only hope is the PC version, where people will hack the camera to look at themselves first thing. Or just pull it from the model/texture/etc. folders.

Friday is the day we get to look in the mirror, and what will we see?

I'm going with a floating Carl Sagan head, it's the only logical answer!
Probably there's no model displayed for the player on the local machine.
 
They promised a feature all the way up to launch. Now that it seems to be completely missing people are asking for an answer. Have we got one that isn't so vague that it answers nothing? If Hello Games/Sony don't want to be called out as liars all they have to do is just answer the question. This is on Hello Game's and their promises. Not the consumers who purchased NMS based on their promises. Sounds like people are just calling it as they see it. They could put an end to this at any time and they haven't yet. Wonder why they haven't yet? Seems pretty obvious to me right now.

And I'm not suggesting they have been telling us lies this entire time. There are a billion good reasons a feature like this could have to be cut or delayed. But when this does happen you can't avoid questions and try to sweep it under the rug. It makes you look bad, which is why people are calling them out. Again, stop going to ridiculous lengths to defend the dev. You guys wouldn't do this shit for anything else. Oh, Amazon only shipped half the order they charged you for, and customer support won't answer your questions about it? I guess just rebuy everything missing again! Calling them out on it would not be a good look! Sigh...

Bad analogy, a physical good differs from software, especially launch software that will have patches.
 
Bad analogy, a physical good differs from software, especially launch software that will have patches.

then they should be saying that the feature doesn't exist now but is on the game's roadmap

right now it's an unfulfilled promise they refuse to talk about
 
I don't think anyone is ok with multiplayer being a secret feature

multiplayer is such a big deal that historically games show multiplayer options on the box. it's not something you can be coy about. it is or it isn't

To be clear the box says Online Play.
 
When I saw all the hype I really thought that the game had a complex explration system, with multiplayer...

If it's just a single player experiencie... I don't know what to say about the hype...

More to the point is that the exploration system isn't complex, not even close. I found an unpatrolled cave full of resources that would have been perfect for mining out. But there's no way to mark it. So once I take off from that spot fat chance I'll ever be able to find it again.

Treating your discoveries as disposable and trivial is not exploration.
 
i here that ;) Check out the last season of Amazing Race. Pretty sure she came like 3rd or something....but yea not much new insight, can't really blame them though since the devs have decided to leave everybody in the dark

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doing it right now.
 
Bad analogy, a physical good differs from software, especially launch software that will have patches.

Not really. Same result. I was promised something that isn't there. Doesn't matter if it's a physical good or some code in software. I paid good money based on expectations that the seller set leading all the way up to release. And some of those promises are clearly missing with the seller refusing to even just acknowledge why I am dissatisfied. I'm not even mad because the feature is not there. I'm mad that they sat on this issue all the way up to launch and are now playing dead when asked about it. If not Hello Games/Sony, who should we be unhappy with? My cat? A random person walking down the sidewalk? Crocs or those other stupid shoes with the individual toes? Please explain.

And if it is coming in a patch. Why won't they say that? Please explain. Thank you.
 
I've been playing the game and it's great. I really want an answer about this though. Everybody here has to admit that this is a pretty unique and odd situation. I've never heard of a scenario where people didn't know if there was multiplayer or not
 
THEN WHY CAN'T THEY TELL US THAT?

Because they're too busy working on updating the game to have one of their PR reps, who are paid to do this kind of work btw, communicate to the consumers that are dropping $60 a pop on their product. Just another day in the life of a dev and publisher! Clearly nothing to see here, folks.
 
I'm mostly talking about those who haven't bought it but are pissed.

I mean, they never showed MP gameplay in the trailers or play-alongs do it was relatively safe to hedge bets.

Murray has said that what you (the player) look like is one of the mysteries to discover. Showing another player in trailers ruins that mystery.

Now, this is all fine and dandy if there is, in fact, a way to see other players. If there isn't it's in very poor form because that would mean Murray has exploited the purposefully mysterious messaging for the game, something previously used as a playful thing to get hype, and is now being leveraged as a way to sneak in feature cancellations without anybody knowing. That's pretty screwed up.

But there's no confirmation one way or the other yet. Servers still having trouble, Sean still not saying anything definitive, it's just gonna be a while before we know.
 
Because they're too busy working on the game to have one of their PR representatives, who are paid to this kind of work btw, to stop on communicate to the people dropping $60 a piece on their product. Just another day in the life of a dev!

But Sean has time to tweet all day about the games' success?
 
Because they're too busy working on updating the game to have one of their PR reps, who are paid to do this kind of work btw, communicate to the people dropping $60 a pop on their product. Just another day in the life of a dev and publisher! Clearly nothing to see here, folks.

Come on. Tweets don't take that long to send.
The guy has been tweeting a lot recently.
 
So I'm pretty sure Hello Games knows it's lying about the MP. I've personally never felt I had enough concrete info that it was MP by the answers (more in a moment) but I do not fault people for believing it simply by the way it was handled.
The answers I'm referencing is all of the major evidence I've seen that said "No Man's Sky is MP" was when it was asked in a chain of questions.
"Do you guys see yourselves? No, someone else has to see you." This isn't untrue. It's just whether or not they CAN see you.
"Those wingmen are AI, but you COULD encounter other players but the likelihood of that is tiny." True, tinier if you don't actually finish the feature.
"Will you be able to play with your friends? Can you grief other players?" <laugher> "Yes." This one is simple. You've just griefed us with this answer Sean.
It should be noted MUCH of these are also taken shortly after the VGX awards (where honestly no one was caring about this game until its E3 showing the following Summer.)

I dunno, I feel like it was never felt to be MP and the reality is they made an MP Universe and it feels both populated and isolated as I suspect was the initial feeling. Would it be rad? No doubt. I feel this game is like Elite Dangerous meets Out There (Android). I just feel the answers given were two faced and DEFINITELY misleading. Maybe I'm just a skeptic who was taught to question even things I want to believe though that will make you an unhappy person.
I just want them to answer this question so we can all move on to deciding if we like it or not... and then talk about it if we do. (Cause I'm liking the game.)
 
Because they're too busy working on updating the game to have one of their PR reps, who are paid to do this kind of work btw, communicate to the people dropping $60 a pop on their product. Just another day in the life of a dev and publisher! Clearly nothing to see here, folks.

They should hire you to do PR for them, hell, pay 2 bucks to someone from Reddit .
 
No candid response from Sean on this? Pretty shitty.

Working up a sultry PR statement for the masses. I can even bet that they will get it out a few hours before the PC release. People are going to dissect this game and try to be the first to release info for a little internet fame.
 
Were they both even connected to the online server? It goes in and out all the time if you look in the options menu.

lol Is Hello Games connected to reality? Because if they are and it's just launch server issues... They should be pretty upfront about that right now. Not being upfront about this stuff is what a bad look is. Not consumers complaining about missing, promised features. It's pretty clear they don't want to help this news spread with an official statement if it's going to compromise sales any further. Once that happens it's going to spread to a lot more people than just current owners and internet nerds. I'd probably do the same thing if I was them and it's shady as hell.
 
It must really suck to finally see a passion of yours available for people, only to be torn to shreds online.

I think Sean Murray is an awesome dude and the game he created seems amazing. That being said, it's wrong to mislead customers.
 
As a bystander who doesn't know much about the game or even the complaints about it right now, I have to say that some of you expected way too much from this game. Expecting a super interconnected multiplayer online world where players can spontaneously run into each other in addition to the procedurally generated universe of planets is just not going to be pulled off the way you expect with a small indie team of 15 people.
Then maybe they shouldn't have said their game is an interconnected multiplayer online world where players can spontaneously run into each other in addition to being a procedurally generated universe of planets?
 
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