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[Mailenstein]

Two things:

1. People leave companies unexpectedly all the time. For many reasons. People get fired, headhunted, win the lottery, die.. All valid reasons for leaving a company without notice. Without more info, it is not in and of itself enough to judge the company.

2. Interview wasn't agreed for 3, the start of the interview process was scheduled for 3 (a process that, for a 70K IT job could be expected to last quite a while). OP turns up early and finishes paperwork in 15 minutes, which is fine, but if you are early for something, you have to expect to wait. Now if OP had turned up at 3 as expected and they allow time for people to fill out paperwork and complete the test, say maybe 30 minutes to be safe, waiting for 15 minutes doesn’t really sound that bad does it? Couple it with the fact that the secretary is there to make sure visitors are looked after, even if she is busy, it isn’t unreasonable to assume the boss didn’t think that waiting a little bit was as outrageous as some people do.

If anything, OP should have directed his snotty email to the secretary for making his first impression of the company a negative one. But that wouldn’t fit in the ‘fuck authority/champion of the common man’ delusion.

Sure, but if an interview is appointed for 3 p.m., you don't show up at 3 p.m., right? You show up way before to finish the paperwork so that you can start with the actual interview. I work in IT myself and from my experice interview at 3 p.m. means interview at 3 p.m., but if that's how things are handled in the states, I feel sorry for the gals and guys working in IT over there. And "waiting a little bit" isn't the problem. It's how you treat the person waiting. As somebody who needs a job, would you come late to a job interview without saying anything? "Waiting a little bit" isn't the problem, right?

Please provide a mechanism by which stress alters the DNA of your cells.

As I said, I'm not here to convince you, so you may or may not take care of this yourself, sorry.

 

[Effnine]

'merica

work more, get paid less while corporations make billions... and LOVE IT.

You know how you could change things, from the inside or as others said, starting your own business ... you're old enough now where you should know better ... if you're still like this when you're over 30, you're gonna have a ton of regrets ...

 

[Dr.Palutena]

Oh my god man do you realize what you have passed up ... 70k guaranteed + as much overtime as you can handle ... I am flabbergasted.

chump change my man, he wait's for no one and is his own man, not some pawn.

 

[BPoole]

Why the hell would you leave? Yeah it was a dick move on his part but what did you leave to go do? Your main goal right now is getting a job. Even if you worked there and hated it, at least you'd have a steady income while you looked for something else.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

From your previous thread:



It's amazing how your tune has changed.

Bluster is all that's left now.

You know how you could change things, from the inside or as others said, starting your own business ... you're old enough now where you should know better ... if you're still like this when you're over 30, you're gonna have a ton of regrets ...

Managing a business is excruciatingly hard work and typically doesn't pay very well. It also requires you to check your ego at the door. Based on this thread, I'd say there's a 0% probability that this guy could handle the day-to-day bullshit that a service-based business would face.

 

[Featheredkitten]

GAF I've learned my lesson. Will anyone hire me?

I'll gladly let you do whatever you want, you can pay me whatever you want and I'll work 50+ hours and never complain about overtime or work life balance all while being extremely productive.

Please hire me. PM's accepted, willing to move cross country without relocation assistance.

It work in California, you'd like, it's warm and there's hot people.

 

[HOMEBOY OVER HERE]

I just really want this job so badly it makes me want to cry thinking about it. Should I march into the HR office in a suit and tie and just introduce myself and ask if it's still available?

 

[genjiZERO]

Honestly it's odd.

It IS kind of a rude scenario. I agree that some people are ignoring that in this thread.

But there is someone in that situation whose job it is to handle when any sort of visitor has to wait, and it's generally not the head of the company who is responsible.

Could the boss be lying?

Sure.. but it's not really an unreasonable story. The other interviewee finished at 3:05, after the OP had already filled in his paperwork and taken his test. If the boss expected that to take a while he would have likely planned on doing something between the 2 interviews.

And then maybe he assumed the OP wasn't in any sort of hurry considering he just sat out there observing not saying a word post-small-talk... perhaps the receptionist didn't feel the need to explain anything considering his silence as well.

Everything about the story is a bunch of assumptions and judgement. Receptionist didn't do her job but she has a legit excuse, boss was definitely doing a power play, so was his initial communication, receptionist was sending OP signals by making a joke about the paperwork being painful, etc.

it's not ideal to have to wait so long for an interview, but man... aside from his DIRECTLY arrogant statements in this thread, the entire situation sort of smacks of ego gone wrong.

OP is an unreliable author. New plot for a Nabokov book.

 

[komplanen]

Dude cries for not getting a job because of conviction and then can't even sit still and wait to be interviewed? I hope you get a job mang but you never have sounded liie you were in a position to be picky.

 

[Kraftwerk]

As a person who also has a lot of pride, you really should have waited.

I haven't read every post you made, but based on the last few posts It's safe to assume you didn't have anything else to do that day. Right there it's baffling that you walked out.

What would a few more minutes do.

 

[Mariolee]

GAF I've learned my lesson. Will anyone hire me?

I'll gladly let you do whatever you want, you can pay me whatever you want and I'll work 50+ hours and never complain about overtime or work life balance all while being extremely productive.

Please hire me. PM's accepted, willing to move cross country without relocation assistance.

DUDE. Do you not realize there's a medium between these two extremes? The world isn't made up of binaries. You can have a backbone sometimes and swallow your pride others. God gave us a brain for us to decipher when to determine which situation is when.

 

[Himi]

I know how it works, you just seem to have some personal vendetta on the OP.

You're reading into what I say far more than I am. Nothing I said sounded like any sort of vendetta.


Also op, im confused how you are getting by day to day if you are unemployed and are on no assistance.

 

[one_kill]

I just really want this job so badly it makes me want to cry thinking about it. Should I march into the HR office in a suit and tie and just introduce myself and ask if it's still available?

Do it

 

[Telephoto999]

You know how you could change things, from the inside or as others said, starting your own business ... you're old enough now where you should know better ... if you're still like this when you're over 30, you're gonna have a ton of regrets ...

Ironically, while having a very good technical background and being a very strong technically minded person I have 0 ability to sale or promote my work to a business (go figure)

I've wanted to start my own thing, and did it for a while (3-4 years) but the clients were literally handled to me. The moment two of my clients went away when the housing market in Atlanta crashed so did my business.

 

[JDSN]

Your OP short reminded of this for a reason, you gotta learn to be patient and dont take things personal brother, the guy doesnt even consider apologizing because he was probably busy doing his job, it is not a confirmation that he is a dick or rude.

Edit: Oh, Im catching up with one of your follow up posts, you are that kind of co-worker no one wants near them, nice work on "Going Galt" you magnificent specimen.

 

[Zoe]

Sure, but if an interview is appointed for 3 p.m., you don't show up at 3 p.m., right? You show up way before to finish the paperwork so that you can start with the actual interview. I work in IT myself and from my experice interview at 3 p.m. means interview at 3 p.m., but if that's how things are handled in the states, I feel sorry for the gals and guys working in IT over there. And "waiting a little bit" isn't the problem. It's how you treat the person waiting. As somebody who needs a job, would you come late to a job interview without saying anything? "Waiting a little bit" isn't the problem, right?

No, the paperwork is expected to be filled out at the start of the interview. If not, they would have said to arrive early.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

GAF I've learned my lesson. Will anyone hire me?

I'll gladly let you do whatever you want, you can pay me whatever you want and I'll work 50+ hours and never complain about overtime or work life balance all while being extremely productive.

Please hire me. PM's accepted, willing to move cross country without relocation assistance.

Since I'm done giving you advice, can I ask you a question?

Is your current life so much better than the horrifying indignity of working a 50-60 hr week for 60k? What do you have going on that this would fuck up your balance? Why is doing nothing or being grossly underemployed part time preferable to being able to pay your bills? Do you value your free time that much over your financial stability?

 

[Mailenstein]

No, the paperwork is expected to be filled out at the start of the interview. If not, they would have said to arrive early.

That's America then.

 

[OJdaKiller]

GAF I've learned my lesson. Will anyone hire me?

I'll gladly let you do whatever you want, you can pay me whatever you want and I'll work 50+ hours and never complain about overtime or work life balance all while being extremely productive.

Please hire me. PM's accepted, willing to move cross country without relocation assistance.

C'mon now..you're acting like you're a world class brain surgeon who is the only one in the world who can perform some experimental surgery to cure blindness...Your skillset is not that unique....

If you think working 50 hours a week and having to humble yourself to employer are somehow laughable...You may be in for a lot more heartache than I originally gave you credit for...Employers want sheep...That's in their nature...Follow the flock...Promote the company agenda...They don't want lone wolf renegades who "do it their way." What you're trying to embody may be traits you value, but those don't translate well to an employer.

Work is called work for a reason and I don't think this can be said enough in this thread.

 

[Telephoto999]

HOLY SHIT DUDE. Do you not realize there's a medium between these two extremes? The world isn't made up of binaries. You can have a backbone sometimes and swallow your pride others. God gave us a brain for us to decipher when to determine which situation is when.

I am fully aware of the difference and the middle ground. I would not have acted this way had other red flags not presented themselves. Two techs leaving... the receptionist being obviously overworked and upset about it, the extremely quick hiring process... the fact someone was interviewing right before me for the position that had only been posted two days.

There were red flags, and making me wait without acknowledgment is what pushed me over. If this place seemed like a great place to work I would have gladly set there longer but the other factors leading up to this interview did NOT give that impression in anyway shape or form.

 

[marimorimo]

TC, as someone who used to have so much pride it got to her head, I only have this to say:

"Pride cometh before the fall."

 

[Himi]

Ironically, while having a very good technical background and being a very strong technically minded person I have 0 ability to sale or promote my work to a business (go figure)

I've wanted to start my own thing, and did it for a while (3-4 years) but the clients were literally handled to me. The moment two of my clients went away when the housing market in Atlanta crashed so did my business.

If you want to start your own thing then you need to get yourself under control. You think this dude keeping you waiting 45 minutes is bad, try dealing with the government bureaucracy that you will have to go through.

 

[one_kill]

Reminds me of this: When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong

 

[Burai]

Because this was the end all job and I should be grateful he even wanted to speak to my millennial entitled ass.

When the fuck did americans stop realizing that when you interview for a company you are interviewing them as much as they are you? You have a choice.

Lovely idea, but normally if there's something questionable about a candidate, a potential employer will do one of two things;

1) Throw your resume in the trash because there are loads of other candidates without potential problems.

2) Ask you about it in the interview.

If applying that to a potential employer, 1 doesn't apply to you because you don't have any other options. 2 doesn't apply to you either because you just upped and left without enquiring to why there was a delay.

There were a million possible reasons why the guy was running late. It's a small company and if something needed firefighting it's completely understandable that the owner could personally deal with it themselves. You don't think it's reasonable to put an issue critical to the business ahead of interviewing a potential employee?

But no, better to presume a personal and unprofessional slight against yourself for no good reason.

 

[Requiem]

So you drove all that way and waited all that time just to leave?

Just think, if you waited 5, 10, 15 more minutes you could be employed right now...

 

[xxracerxx]

I am fully aware of the difference and the middle ground. I would not have acted this way had other red flags not presented themselves. Two techs leaving... the receptionist being obviously overworked and upset about it, the extremely quick hiring process... the fact someone was interviewing right before me for the position that had only been posted two days.

That isn't a red flag. All all these are very common things to happen in businesses.

 

[FatalT]

and the OP is having a breakdown.

It's hilarious though, you can't deny that.

 

[Zoe]

I am fully aware of the difference and the middle ground. I would not have acted this way had other red flags not presented themselves. Two techs leaving... the receptionist being obviously overworked and upset about it, the extremely quick hiring process... the fact someone was interviewing right before me for the position that had only been posted two days.

There were red flags, and making me wait without acknowledgment is what pushed me over. If this place seemed like a great place to work I would have gladly set there longer but the other factors leading up to this interview did NOT give that impression in anyway shape or form.

I really fail to see how any of those are red flags. They're all COMPLETELY NORMAL for very small companies.

 

[Telephoto999]

C'mon now..you're acting like you're a world class brain surgeon who is the only one in the world who can perform some experimental surgery to cure blindness...Your skillset is not that unique....

If you think working 50 hours a week and having to humble yourself to employer are somehow laughable...You may be in for a lot more heartache than I originally gave you credit for...Employers want sheep...That's in their nature...Follow the flock...Promote the company agenda...They don't want lone wolf renegades who "do it their way." What you're trying to embody may be traits you value, but those don't translate well to an employer.

Work is called work for a reason and I don't think this can be said enough in this thread.

This. Is. So. Bad.


Why America... WHYYYYYYYYYYY

 

[Synless]

Well hey, on positive note for myself I got a second interview for a position I thought I screwed myself put of due to a literacy issue. Any thoughts from GAF on what I should expect?

 

[fizzelopeguss]

As someone from the UK with little perspective, 60-70k US sounds like a fantastic wage for a fly over state.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

You've likely spent more time explaining yourself to anonymous people on a forum at this point than you did on waiting for an opportunity that could have changed your life overnight.

Contemplate that for a second.

 

[Ferrio]

This. Is. So. Bad.


Why America... WHYYYYYYYYYYY

I feel bad for defending your position in the previous thread now.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Man looks like you need to fall a lot lower than where you currently are to gain some perspective in life. How do you afford the basics right now? Generous friends and family?

 

[marrec]

It's hilarious though, you can't deny that.

It's pretty funny when he's not being personally insulting.

 

[xxracerxx]

Well hey, on positive note for myself I got a second interview for a position I thought I screwed myself put of due to a literacy issue. Any thoughts from GAF on what I should expect?

For starters, no water or coffee.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

This. Is. So. Bad.


Why America... WHYYYYYYYYYYY

You're being a dumb baby, not some workforce warrior. Go get your shit together pal. It's you.

 

[DoktorEvil]

As someone from the UK with little perspective, 60-70k US sounds like a fantastic wage for a fly over state.

COL is so much nicer in Atlanta too, plus the hordes of pretty women.

It's a single guy's paradise.

 

[Dopus]

The thread has now turned into a train wreck.

 

[EdibleKnife]

You've likely spent more time explaining yourself to anonymous people on a forum at this point than you did on waiting for an opportunity that could have changed your life overnight.

Contemplate that for a second.

This is just what I was thinking.

 

[Himi]

As someone from the UK with little perspective, 60-70k US sounds like a fantastic wage for a fly over state.

Lol at the fly-over state comment, from someone outside of the US. Where'd you even hear that.

From the Census:
Median household income: 2008-2012, $49,604

So yeah its quite good.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

This. Is. So. Bad.


Why America... WHYYYYYYYYYYY

Chief, unlike you, the rest of America is working. And we're not all overworked.

Grow up. Man up. Swallow some pride. Cooperate.

 

[marrec]

This. Is. So. Bad.


Why America... WHYYYYYYYYYYY

America has nothing to do with your entitlement issues.

Admit you were wrong and write a long slobbering e-mail to the guy apologizing for acting like a complete unhireable tool.

 

[Featheredkitten]

As someone from the UK with little perspective, 60-70k US sounds like a fantastic wage for a fly over state.

It's pretty good for like.....Georgia? I think OP lives in Georgia.

 

[Effnine]

Ironically, while having a very good technical background and being a very strong technically minded person I have 0 ability to sale or promote my work to a business (go figure)

Listen, I completely understand your anti-corporation stance and some of the things you have said regarding how people should be treated (I think most of us agree with you on that), but you really have to understand that you have competition out there that doesn't give two flying fucks about that ... they will step on their mother's back to get the job that you just decided wasn't worth your 45 minutes of waiting time ...

We all wish the world was a perfect place where everyone treated everyone with respect and dignity, but that's just not how it is. Sure, there are exceptions to the rule, there always are, but those are few and far between ...

Just try to put things in perspective, think about your long-term goals ... if you really want this career, you have to make sacrifices ... most of us do and did to get to where we are or are going ...

 

[SummitAve]

It's become exceedingly obvious why the OP is unemployed.

 

[DarkFlow]

C'mon now..you're acting like you're a world class brain surgeon who is the only one in the world who can perform some experimental surgery to cure blindness...Your skillset is not that unique....

If you think working 50 hours a week and having to humble yourself to employer are somehow laughable...You may be in for a lot more heartache than I originally gave you credit for...Employers want sheep...That's in their nature...Follow the flock...Promote the company agenda...They don't want lone wolf renegades who "do it their way." What you're trying to embody may be traits you value, but those don't translate well to an employer.

Work is called work for a reason and I don't think this can be said enough in this thread.

Good thing no one told this to Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or anyone who started a start up recently. While I don't agree with how the OP reacted, "Employers want sheep...That's in their nature...Follow the flock...Promote the company agenda...They don't want lone wolf renegades who "do it their way." What you're trying to embody may be traits you value, but those don't translate well to an employer." is not the right mindset.

 

[EdibleKnife]

I am fully aware of the difference and the middle ground. I would not have acted this way had other red flags not presented themselves. Two techs leaving... the receptionist being obviously overworked and upset about it, the extremely quick hiring process... the fact someone was interviewing right before me for the position that had only been posted two days.

There were red flags, and making me wait without acknowledgment is what pushed me over. If this place seemed like a great place to work I would have gladly set there longer but the other factors leading up to this interview did NOT give that impression in anyway shape or form.

If it were so bad, why say "FML"? Why regret at all? Why ask GAF on their opinion on something that was so obvious to yourself? Did these "red flags" seriously outweigh the benefits of actually being an employee or at least seeing what working there was like?

 

[Mariolee]

I am fully aware of the difference and the middle ground. I would not have acted this way had other red flags not presented themselves. Two techs leaving... the receptionist being obviously overworked and upset about it, the extremely quick hiring process... the fact someone was interviewing right before me for the position that had only been posted two days.

There were red flags, and making me wait without acknowledgment is what pushed me over. If this place seemed like a great place to work I would have gladly set there longer but the other factors leading up to this interview did NOT give that impression in anyway shape or form.

I looked at my post and I admit I got a little heated over no good reason. Sorry. Honestly, yes, I get your frustration. Waiting 45 minutes is not fun, especially when you're not given an indicator of how much longer you'll have to wait.

But take your own advice: grow a backbone.

You keep saying you stood up for what was right in your posts, but it honestly seems like you pussyfooted around everything. You didn't ask the receptionist what's up, you didn't approach the boss in any manner in person. In fact, you hid behind the computer and emailed him from miles and miles away. Then you posted on GAF about it in typical GAF-man fashion.

In this situation, you didn't leave with your pride. You left it there.

 

[Cyan]

Not really cyberstalking if you read the dota or diablo threads on GAF. He's been laughed out of both communities.

Yeah... don't do it anyway.

'merica

work more, get paid less while corporations make billions... and LOVE IT.

Dude.

Sure, some people here are going overboard with their "nah, you gotta eat shit man" comments, but you're using it as an excuse to justify your own self-sabotaging behavior.

It's ok to decide that you aren't willing to eat shit, and that you don't want to work for a place that expects or demands that of you... but if you're going to go that route, you better damn well make sure your shit-eating detector is correctly calibrated.