A Tale of 'Merica and Milk - I just walked out and abandoned a job interview. FML.
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Even worse, OP spent TWICE as much time simply DRIVING today for this interview than on the actual interview.
Synless
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Well, I have never taken a companies offer up for coffee or water anyways, no loss there.
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'enry 'ollins
Right. Because the System and the Man are keeping him down.
DoktorEvil
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So you have advice to offer him....
Please do so. You manage to defend him as if he's incapable of defending himself.
Telephoto999
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I said FML because I've had employment issues in the past due to a fucking misdemeanor... and for me to walk out today took A LOT. I was VERY upset the entire drive home because I did feel like I had potentially passed up a decent opportunity... but dealing with an absolutely shitty situation that I would want to get out of everyday because of the money it was paying is not something I want to be apart of. I have debt. I am in a fucking hole thanks to mistakes I made 10 years ago. I already have issues with depression and anxiety... and accepting a position that amplified those was not going to be what I need. I would gladly take 20-40k less / YR to simply enjoy a place to work.
Shhhh, before you get accused of having a personal vendetta against him.
Sorry I don't want to join the digital Lynch mob that's sprung up and you seem all to happy to propagate. If your not with us, you're against us seems to be your view. I can't think the OP handled it poor but think most of you are being completely rude on top of that?
Featheredkitten
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Hell, there are people out there, right now, who grew up in shit homes with no money, put themselves through college just to feel like they were better, more, like if/when they have a family they would be able to put food on the table. I guarantee that those are the type of people who would step on your neck. Because for them 60-70K a year is making it.
There's plenty of IT people, just as good as you OP, who want it more.
Cloud Strife
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Settling for "abuse" and exploitation are not solely exclusive to America. Regardless, that isn't even an issue here so why the hell d'ya bring it up?
There's a fine line between cooperation and entitlement based on some persona of what is wrong in a workplace.
There's a fine line between cooperation and entitlement based on some persona of what is wrong in a workplace.
And honestly.. being an IT Tech isn't the career for someone who wants a job where you are treated like you are indispensable.
At this point it almost is a career you have to be willing to get kind of crapped on to maintain.. or else know someone and get lucky at a small company that is generous and easy going.
But as a consultant who has been privy to quite a few IT orgs over the years; things are not going in the direction of "employee rights."
User 100115
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I can confirm everything in this post is true, by the way.
Fucking proud of him too.
...wish I could say the same
DoktorEvil
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He's created this situation for himself and now is increasingly making self-sabotaging statements.
What lynch mob is forming for this man?
How the hell do you know that would be a shitty place to work with?
YOU LEFT BEFORE THE INTERVIEW
You have absolutely ZERO clue when it comes to the work environment in that place. Sorry if I sound like an asshole, but you need a reality check.
You are in debt, have made mistakes before, and just fucked up a 70K+Benefits+overtime job because you couldn't wait just a few more MINUTES and you had nothing else to do, absolutely nothing.
Non-fiction?
Mailenstein
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I don't understand why people in this thread expect from unemployed people to drop all their principles, self-esteem and eat any amount of shit just to pay their bills and get a job. Is this the silver standard now? Wow.
Telephoto999
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I think you guys are looking at the money way more than you should. Sadly... 'merica.
Money does not make a job any more enjoyable to work. Do I know the exact situation? No. But I do know that the impression that was given was TERRIBLE from the onset.
I'm not a proponent of juding people by their avatar but I think in this case it is pretty apt. OP is a guy with an ego of a king who wants to be treated with a lot of reverence. Any thing short of that is peasants pride and he sees himself above that. Again, this is all just looking at his avatar.
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Deleted member 12837
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From the perspective of a potential employer, I couldn't disagree more. 30 min is completely unacceptable.
Should've been addressed by the man himself. See above.
OJdaKiller
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You and the OP may not like the reality of what I said and I understand that...I don't like it either...But it is reality..Companies don't hire those who contradict their values...Companies hire people who will do the job they are assigned to do and do that job well..
Very few are irreplacable and if you cause waves, most of the time it's easier to just replace someone with an attitude that is a better fit for the company than to put with someone who thinks they know better than everyone else...
But seriously, I'm not telling any other professional adult anything they don't already know..This may be tough to swallow news to a younger person entering the workforce..But prove me wrong..Tell your boss he's an idiot..Tell HR they're doing it wrong and you have better ideas, negotiate salary on that first job when you have no experience.
You walked out of a 70K job idiot. That was more money than you have ever been paid in your life according to you.
Super late to the party here, but you were totally justified in leaving. Whether or not it was the right thing to do is a decision only you can make, but it certainly sounds like the value of your time was being disrespected. If the person in charge of hiring has time management skill that poor I wonder what the job based expectations would be.
All that said, if their secretary had mentioned anything regarding the delay or he personally popped out to apologize and said he would be with you as soon as he could, I would have stayed longer. If they at least acknowledged "Hey we asked you to be here at X, and it's X+30, we realize that's lame, we're sorry, and we'll be with you quickly" it would at least indicate they know your time is valuable.
His subjectless (and tactless) e-mail doesn't paint a better picture for me either. If you're willing to give him another go I'd e-mail back with some platitude about how you had another appointment or any other lie or truth of your choosing, and see if he'll reschedule.
All that said, if their secretary had mentioned anything regarding the delay or he personally popped out to apologize and said he would be with you as soon as he could, I would have stayed longer. If they at least acknowledged "Hey we asked you to be here at X, and it's X+30, we realize that's lame, we're sorry, and we'll be with you quickly" it would at least indicate they know your time is valuable.
His subjectless (and tactless) e-mail doesn't paint a better picture for me either. If you're willing to give him another go I'd e-mail back with some platitude about how you had another appointment or any other lie or truth of your choosing, and see if he'll reschedule.
Telephoto999
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Everyone should want to be treated with dignity and respect.
People don't need to be sheep to get a job.
Who's asking him to drop all his principles and self-esteem so that he can eat shit from some guys shoe?
We're laughing because he couldn't be arsed to wait an extra 5 or 10 minutes. Or talk to the receptionist, or present himself at all as someone who knew how to handle a delicate situation.
Are you being serious with this?
Cloud Strife
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He took Sociology 101 and apparently it stuck.
Well from the perspective of someone who's going through the hiring process again, if you're time is too valuable to wait 30 minutes to talk to me, then you're very likely overqualified and shouldn't have shown up in the first place.
Featheredkitten
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Like you treated someone with more authority and power by writing and sending a nasty-gram 'cause you couldn't be arsed to wait? Your life is so important and just, filled to the brim? Whose time was more important...yours, or his?
No, that's not the right answer, I know you're going to say "Mine!" or "Both of us have equal importance!" But that's really, really, not true.
User 100115
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Yes, should be.
Sadly, in the real world, that's not how it works. Until you are king of everything, there isn't much you can do about that other than you know, always treat people with dignity and respect and teach your children to do the same thing. And by not disrespecting to potential employers by throwing a fit.
Walking out on a super awesome job opportunity because you feel you were disrespected (even though you really weren't) isn't fighting the system. If you treat everything that way, you will continue to be unemployed.
I've only read the first half of the thread, but even if you had massive red flags and wouldn't take the job you should have stayed. You are unemployed and probably need practice at interviews.
Even if you would never work there, you would learn something that would help you get a job you actually want.
Even if you would never work there, you would learn something that would help you get a job you actually want.
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Deleted member 12837
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I'm sad that you feel that way to be honest. It's one thing to put up with that. It's another to expect it as normal.
I agree with this.
I don't live in 'merica. Drop that idiotic comeback already, you have used it 20 times by now.
Oh, my bad I forgot. Only people in America care about money. Everywhere else in the world people live in perfect utopia's where money doesn't exist. I apologize.
Get a grip. This is what real life is. No job is perfect, and doesn't have days where things are terrible. You just have to power through it.
Admit that you fucked up, you lost a great opportunity because you did not have the balls or whatever to ask a simple question from the receptionist.
DoktorEvil
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Then you wouldn't mind if I interview and take the job you felt was above you.
I mean, I'm not trained in certs like you so obviously are, but I bet if I even showed up with half of a decent attitude, I'd be hired over you without IT experience.
70K in Georgia is comfortable. A lot more comfortable than NY.
We've already established that you have no backbone and extremely high, unrealistic standards.
Go work at Walmart and you'll think twice about that "terrible impression" you were given. I honestly think that you are out of touch with reality a bit after reading your posts.
Telephoto999
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I fought with myself from the thirty minute mark to the 45 minute mark. I would have bombed the interview terrible with how upset the entire thing was making me.
I've sat here and tried to rationalize that maybe I have a problem...maybe something is wrong with me that makes me think so different than the general population of GAF... but I feel my problem comes more in how I present myself on here and how I've presented the situation. It was a terrible spot to be in, I promise you.
EdibleKnife
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But (and this was probably addressed already) even Sherlock Holmes wouldn't have inferred as much as you've inferred. "Two employees left"? Employees always leave. Hell if it did turn out bad you also could have left. At the very least then you'd have more experience to put on your resume. "The secretary was flustered"? I imagine a secretary working for a boss that lost two people would be pretty busy. Maybe she was dealing with her own shit unrelated to the job. Hearing horror stories from people who work(ed) there is a red flag. A half finished/dirty building is a red flag. A shaky job offer is a red flag. Even if the red flags you listed were valid in your mind, at least be the better man and get in there and refuse the job offer politely instead of repaying the "rudeness".
I agree but as other people have said in this thread. You could of probably waited until the interview was over with before you decided that the job was not for you. That's what interviews are for. They ask you questions and you ask them questions, and through that process you see if the environment is right for you. Hell you could of even at the end of the interviewed commented right to his face that you didn't appreciate waiting without any notice and that's if the management didn't already give you an excuse about it.
Randolph Freelander
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When I caught my break at a small IT company, my interviewing manager called in sick on the day of my first interview, so I had to reschedule after arriving. During my two week notice period with my former employer, my interviewing and now hiring manager left the company. My first week, the last guy he hired (about a month previously) was let go. The next week, the only other programmer for the company was let go (contract position). A few weeks after that, one of the designers quit. Small company, about 15 people. A lot of turnover. I was rattled.
You know what? Taking that job was the best thing that happened to me, because I didn't know as much as I thought I did, I needed that break, and I learned a heck of a lot. I had almost 3 good years there before moving on to the brighter things.
Sure, it was a rocky beginning, but that company took a chance on me and I will always be grateful.
I've not made any of the people I've interviewed recently wait more than 10 minutes. Again, they have to take a test before they can even talk to me, so by the time they get to the interview process they've already dedicated hours of their time sitting alone in a conference room filling out paperwork or on the phone.
The point is, if you can't wait for 30 minutes for me because one of our clients is exploding on the shop floor, then get out. You aren't for me.
I'm sure most employers would feel the same.
I disagree, lol.
I worked for a year at a start-up Managed Services Company. Me and two of my co workers are now trying to sue the owner for bounced checks not honored and other terrible kinds of shit. The one year that I worked at this company was completely unrewarding despite me putting in my best and for me it was personally one of the worst phases of my life so far. Only after I joined the company I found out basically no employee except the two senior techs stayed at the company for more than 6 months. I wasn't told that they hired someone before me and he just stopped coming after a week, no notices given.
I know its not always the same, but if I was OP I would have left sooner.
I know its not always the same, but if I was OP I would have left sooner.
Telephoto999
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Please reference the employers email to me where he said he wasn't behind, and I simply wasn't informed of the "process".
Plus overtime. At a place where he could probably have as much overtime as he wants. And a boss who might be so desperate to hire that he doesn't inquire too closely about that supposed 8+ years of IT experience on his résumé.
chris121580
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Dude you have no idea if you would've enjoyed working at that place or not
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