A Tale of 'Merica and Milk - I just walked out and abandoned a job interview. FML.

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Thacker said:
Salary does not automatically disqualify you from overtime. Unless your position directly relates to making business critical decisions, provides you with hire and fire capability and has you oversee multiple employees you are still entitled to overtime even if you are salary.

Sadly, most all of the tech industry is unaware of such a thing. A technical person in a setting that handles administration and managing of a network despite being salary is usually cheated out of salary OT.

http://redmountainlawblog.com/2006/...pecialist-not-exempt-from-flsas-requirements/

This is another case of people, especially in the IT field laying down and accepting things that are the norm... even if they are illegal in most cases.
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Well you'll never know if your job description would have included "+ Overtime" because you walked out on the interview.

Leaves you plenty of time to read up on esoteric employment laws.

I'm Salary + Overtime btw, it's the bees knees.
 
Mike M said:
No, it doesn't.
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You can believe whatever you want, just like reports stating that evidence has been poor on "stress causes cancer". I'm not here to convince you what is true and what is not. That's up to you. Read up, what stress does to your body, physically and mentally and maybe you will understand.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Wouldn't you be on a salary?
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The OP giving out employment tips is like a guy with no success with women giving out PUA lectures in the dating thread.

I'm not trying to be condescending, but he lacks the proper perspective to be making some of the sweeping commentary he's made about the job market and the interview process. He seems to have a heavy dose of "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" syndrome.

Anyone who takes his advice to heart is going to be hit by a brick wall of reality in their job search.
 
Amory said:
This has nothing at all to do with the thread but I randomly picked up a 6 pack of the beer your avatar represents and it's one of the best I've ever had.

So, cheers.
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It's definitely one of my favorites! It's been a while since I've had one, oh how I miss it :(
 
marrec said:
Well you'll never know if your job description would have included "+ Overtime" because you walked out on the interview.

Leaves you plenty of time to read up on esoteric employment laws.

I'm Salary + Overtime btw, it's the bees knees.
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The job did offer overtime on top of the salary according to the job listing.

A previous IT job I worked a year back did not. The owner of the company was under the impression that salary meant any and all overtime he wanted to give me despite the fact I was a glorified geeksquad technician. I consistently worked 50 hour weeks, used my personal cell phone and internet for mostly business related expenses and drove my own car 300+ miles a week while being reimbursed 25$/week in a" gas /stipend expenses reimbursement". I never received any overtime pay despite my position specifically qualifying for OT under the FLSA. One industry you will never find this is in medical. A nurse doing anything other than being a manager of her department cannot be overtime, and in the situation a nurse is salary she is also entitled to overtime pay for anything above 40 hours in a work week.

Educate yourself on this. Stop thinking "omg salary I have to work as much as they want and love it".

edit: It was 25/week not /hr
 
Mailenstein said:
Two things:

1. "She stated that unfortunately they had two techs leave late the previous week unexpectedly and that he was looking to hire multiple people."

Multiple people don't leave a company unexpectedly. Something is fucked up big time there.

2. Both sides agreed on a interview at 3 p.m. and that's it. He should treat you with the same amount of respect as you do. Even if he has to reschedule the interview to 3:05 p.m., he should talk to you. It's on his/their part to let you know.
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Two things:

1. People leave companies unexpectedly all the time. For many reasons. People get fired, headhunted, win the lottery, die.. All valid reasons for leaving a company without notice. Without more info, it is not in and of itself enough to judge the company.

2. Interview wasn't agreed for 3, the start of the interview process was scheduled for 3 (a process that, for a 70K IT job could be expected to last quite a while). OP turns up early and finishes paperwork in 15 minutes, which is fine, but if you are early for something, you have to expect to wait. Now if OP had turned up at 3 as expected and they allow time for people to fill out paperwork and complete the test, say maybe 30 minutes to be safe, waiting for 15 minutes doesn’t really sound that bad does it? Couple it with the fact that the secretary is there to make sure visitors are looked after, even if she is busy, it isn’t unreasonable to assume the boss didn’t think that waiting a little bit was as outrageous as some people do.

If anything, OP should have directed his snotty email to the secretary for making his first impression of the company a negative one. But that wouldn’t fit in the ‘fuck authority/champion of the common man’ delusion.
 
if you spent half the time that you've spent defending your poor life choices waiting for the interview instead, you might've gotten a job. what a poor use of time.
 
Mailenstein said:
You can believe whatever you want, just like reports stating that evidence has been poor on "stress causes cancer". I'm not here to convince you what is true and what is not. That's up to you. Read up, what stress does to your body, physically and mentally and maybe you will understand.
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Please provide a mechanism by which stress alters the DNA of your cells.
 
Thacker said:
It's amazing how bad this line of thinking is.

On the flip side, maybe his priority should be obtaining and keeping good techs to handle that work instead of losing employees as he has recently, and treating potentials like they shit before they are even hired.
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You haven't learned anything from this thread it seems. Please stop making excuses and stories for why you weren't at that interview that place the blame on everyone but yourself.

None of this was out of your control. You could have asked the receptionist what was going on. You chose not to and instead walked out and sent a rude email. That was all you.

The sooner you realise this, the sooner you'll have a job. And the sooner you'll be a better person.
 
Thacker said:
The job did offer overtime on top of the salary according to the job listing.

A previous IT job I worked a year back did not. The owner of the company was under the impression that salary meant any and all overtime he wanted to give me despite the fact I was a glorified geeksquad technician. I consistently worked 50 hour weeks, used my personal cell phone and internet for mostly business related expenses and drove my own car 300+ miles a week while being reimbursed 25$/week in a" gas /stipend expenses reimbursement". I never received any overtime pay despite my position specifically qualifying for OT under the FLSA. One industry you will never find this is in medical. A nurse doing anything other than being a manager of her department cannot be overtime, and in the situation a nurse is salary she is also entitled to overtime pay for anything above 40 hours in a work week.

Educate yourself on this. Stop thinking "omg salary I have to work as much as they want and love it".

edit: It was 25/week not /hr
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It's too bad you'll never be able to put any of this "knowledge" to "work" because you can't seem to get off your high horse long enough to get a job.
 
Risette said:
if you spent half the time that you've spent defending your poor life choices waiting for the interview instead, you might've gotten a job. what a poor use of time.
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Because this was the end all job and I should be grateful he even wanted to speak to my millennial entitled ass.

When the fuck did americans stop realizing that when you interview for a company you are interviewing them as much as they are you? You have a choice.
 
Thacker said:
Educate yourself on this. Stop thinking "omg salary I have to work as much as they want and love it".
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Thanks? I guess... I mean, like I said above I've already had my compensation changed to +overtime...

Can we shift the focus away from 'esoteric employment laws' though? It's interesting information but doesn't explain why you decided to Segway out of that office on top of your gigantic balls of steel because your future potential boss didn't give you a handy while you were waiting.
 
marrec said:
Thanks? I guess... I mean, like I said above I've already had my compensation changed to +overtime...

Can we shift the focus away from 'esoteric employment laws' though? It's interesting information but doesn't explain why you decided to Segway out of that office on top of your gigantic balls of steel because your future potential boss didn't give you a handy while you were waiting.
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You obviously stood up for yourself at some point to get your +overtime. I think you can relate to me more than you are letting on. You aren't naturally this submissive are you?
 
You walked out of a job interview?

You're not management. You don't get that kind of choice. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
 
Vince McMahon said:
You walked out of a job interview?

You're not management. You don't get that kind of choice. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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lmao.

You're right. I am a replaceable peasant. God forbid I have a backbone. Next time I'll cradle the balls, finger the ass and stroke the rod so I can get his companies table scraps thrown my way.
 
Thacker said:
lmao.

You're right. I am a replaceable peasant. God forbid I have a backbone. Next time I'll cradle the balls, finger the ass and stroke the rod so I can get his companies table scraps thrown my way.
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So, for you, it's either sitting on a throne of gold, all other bow before you and treat you as an equal, or you're a peasant who must blah blah blah(the bolded)? No inbetween? No humility from the man who had to have a crime removed from his record to get call backs?
 
Thacker said:
lmao.

You're right. I am a replaceable peasant. God forbid I have a backbone. Next time I'll cradle the balls, finger the ass and stroke the rod so I can get his companies table scraps thrown my way.
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Enjoy your life as a poor then, at least you have your pride and backbone. That'll pay the bills.
 
Thacker said:
Because this was the end all job and I should be grateful he even wanted to speak to my millennial entitled ass.

When the fuck did americans stop realizing that when you interview for a company you are interviewing them as much as they are you? You have a choice.
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But you didn't have to accept the job. That's where the pride-swallowing question comes in. You had to "swallow your pride" just enough to wait a little while for an interview you had already arrived and prepared for. Upside, the interview goes well, the job seems more attractive after the interview and suddenly you're making 70K. Downside, the interview is useless and you don't want the job and you "wasted" time you would have spent on GAF, apparently. So, there was literally zero downside.

Unless of course you made a completely unforced error like sending a ridiculous, memorable, forwardable e-mail to your interviewer in an industry with a lot of local relationships. There would be a lot of downside to that.
 
Thacker said:
Because this was the end all job and I should be grateful he even wanted to speak to my millennial entitled ass.

When the fuck did americans stop realizing that when you interview for a company you are interviewing them as much as they are you? You have a choice.
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Choice 1: Put up with slightly unreasonable boss for 70k a year.
Choice 2: Don't and leave with your pride...except you didn't.

Tell me this OP: if you were wrong would you ever admit it?
 
Thacker said:
lmao.

You're right. I am a replaceable peasant. God forbid I have a backbone. Next time I'll cradle the balls, finger the ass and stroke the rod so I can get his companies table scraps thrown my way.
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70k is chump change now? Fuck this.
 
Relix said:
If you are so special and don't want scraps go build your own company and stop complaining.
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You're the third person to suggest this, aside from myself and another dude, but OPs too dense to listen. Go figure.

No client is going to deal with the Primadonna attitude.
 
Thacker said:
lmao.

You're right. I am a replaceable peasant. God forbid I have a backbone. Next time I'll cradle the balls, finger the ass and stroke the rod so I can get his companies table scraps thrown my way.
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All you had to do was wait. Why are you comparing waiting to cradling someone's balls, fingering their ass, and stroking their rod?

WTF are you going on about?

And yeah, you have a choice whether or not you want to work for a company, but how many choices do you have right now? No one is seeking you because you're no one to them. You're just another person who wants a job, not the person they want to work for them.
 
Thacker said:
Because this was the end all job and I should be grateful he even wanted to speak to my millennial entitled ass.

When the fuck did americans stop realizing that when you interview for a company you are interviewing them as much as they are you? You have a choice.
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You didn't "interview" anything. You made up a narrative in your head that fit your worldview that people are being assholes to you. Because every time someone is on the phone they are deliberately ignoring you right? Or when two people leave a company it's a sinking ship! That way you could justify walking out of a perfectly good job opportunity.

Well at least you understand you have a choice. You just chose to ruin your chances for employment, possibly with more than just this company. And now you get to live with that.

We're trying to help you here but if you're going to keep being stubborn and hold this persecution mentality you're just going to drive everyone away.
 
Thacker said:
You obviously stood up for yourself at some point to get your +overtime. I think you can relate to me more than you are letting on. You aren't naturally this submissive are you?
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I can't relate to you. I've been gainfully employed for 12 years and have worked very hard for every leg up that I've ever received.

Do I have pride? Yes. I express it by doing my job and doing it fucking well. Whether that's managing a quality department or making a god damned burrito or climbing a 300 ft tower with 75 lbs of tools on my back or waiting for 45 minutes to entreat with an employer with a smile on my face.

The difference between you and me is that I've successfully moved out of my lot in life as the son of a single janitor who worked a minimum wage job to keep a family of four fed while well below the poverty line into a moderately successful job where I don't have to destroy my body or mind and I get compensated enough to buy whatever my family needs. And I did it by doing my fucking job, even when my fucking job was to get a fucking job.

We aren't even close to alike.
 
GAF I've learned my lesson. Will anyone hire me?

I'll gladly let you do whatever you want, you can pay me whatever you want and I'll work 50+ hours and never complain about overtime or work life balance all while being extremely productive.

Please hire me. PM's accepted, willing to move cross country without relocation assistance.
 
Thacker, if you actually had a backbone, you would have inquired to the delay instead of running away, you would be listening like an adult to the advice being offered, and you would not be making excuse after excuse and making up stories to feed your fragile psyche.

Grow up, man up, have some backbone and stop blaming everybody else.
 
Thacker said:
GAF I've learned my lesson. Will anyone hire me?

I'll gladly let you do whatever you want, you can pay me whatever you want and I'll work 50+ hours and never complain about overtime or work life balance all while being extremely productive.

Please hire me. PM's accepted, willing to move cross country without relocation assistance.
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I would not hire a lickspittle
 
marrec said:
I can't relate to you. I've been gainfully employed for 12 years and have worked very hard for every leg up that I've ever received.

Do I have pride? Yes. I express it by doing my job and doing it fucking well. Whether that's managing a quality department or making a god damned burrito or climbing a 300 ft tower with 75 lbs of tolls on my back or waiting for 45 minutes to entreat with an employer with a smile on my face.

The difference between you and me is that I've successfully moved out of my lot in life as the son of a single janitor who worked a minimum wage job to keep a family of four fed while well below the poverty line into a moderately successful job where I don't have to destroy my body or mind and I get compensated enough to buy whatever my family needs. And I did it by doing my fucking job, even when my fucking job was to get a fucking job.

We aren't even close to alike.
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at least you're getting called in for interviews. I applied at my school for a very basic entry level position in tech and still haven't heard back yet. Was about a month ago. My friend who was working there but got a better job put a good word in me for his position before he left. He said it took them about a month to get back to him. It's been a little over a month and I'm not sure what's going on. My application still says in review. I'm dying over here. I want this job so badly. I don't want to do restaurant work. Would wait hours/days for an interview for this job. goddammit neogaf. what should I do? Should I email HR and ask if the position is still available? Anybody who has ever worked in tech or at a school ,what should I do?
 
HOMEBOY OVER HERE said:
at least you're getting called in for interviews. I applied at my school for a very basic entry level position in tech and still haven't heard back yet. My friend who was working there but got a better job put a good word in me for his position before he left. I'm dying over here. I want this job so badly. I don't want to do restaurant work. Would wait hours/days for an interview for this job. goddammit neogaf. what should I do? Should I email HR and ask if the position is still available? Anybody who has ever worked in tech or at a school ,what should I do?
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Don't ask the OP for advice.

He's self destructive.
 
HOMEBOY OVER HERE said:
at least you're getting called in for interviews. I applied at my school for a very basic entry level position in tech and still haven't heard back yet. My friend who was working there but got a better job put a good word in me for his position before he left. I'm dying over here. I want this job so badly. I don't want to do restaurant work. Would wait hours/days for an interview for this job. goddammit neogaf. what should I do? Should I email HR and ask if the position is still available? Anybody who has ever worked in tech or at a school ,what should I do?
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If you get in their ass, the WORST that can happen is you won't get hired. Which was going to happen if you didn't get in their ass.

Get in their ass homeboy.
 
Himi said:
Thats not what I said.

When on unemployment you have to show you tried to get a job. If he went in there and walked out, they could call the office and he could be in a lot of shit.
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I know how it works, you just seem to have some personal vendetta on the OP.
 
Himi said:
Thats not what I said.

When on unemployment you have to show you tried to get a job. If he went in there and walked out, they could call the office and he could be in a lot of shit.
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I've never pursued any government assistance for anything. This doesn't make me better than anyone else, but I've qualified for food stamps, unemployment and other benefits with the other problems I've had in life. I've taken on a large amount of debt rather than doing those things. Call it pride, or call it whatever else... but there's people that need them more than I do and taking advantage of such a system is a good way to see the system go away.
 
Thacker said:
Because this was the end all job and I should be grateful he even wanted to speak to my millennial entitled ass.

When the fuck did americans stop realizing that when you interview for a company you are interviewing them as much as they are you? You have a choice.
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From your previous thread:

Thacker said:
...Even lower end, 10-15$ hour jobs are out of reach for me as I was turned down as a box handler and truck loader at UPS for this as well.
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It's amazing how your tune has changed.
 
Thacker said:
GAF I've learned my lesson. Will anyone hire me?

I'll gladly let you do whatever you want, you can pay me whatever you want and I'll work 50+ hours and never complain about overtime or work life balance all while being extremely productive.

Please hire me. PM's accepted, willing to move cross country without relocation assistance.
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Do you live in Pittsburgh? Do you have manufacturing quality systems experience?

Send me your resume in a PM and I'll glance it over. We're looking to fill a position right now. If your resume intrigues me enough to give a shit about you then maybe I'll call you in to be tested to see if you can even talk to me.
 
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