A Tale of 'Merica and Milk - I just walked out and abandoned a job interview. FML.

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It's always a mindfuck when you read an innocuous OP the other day, and then it blows up to 20 pages, has its titled changed, and the OP banned.

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Wtf? what happened to this thread, and why did the OP get banned?

This'll be interesting to read.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=114809281&postcount=1788
 
Well, this has been an interesting read to say the least.

OP's inability to ask a simple question to GoT, milk insults to a turf war between Cyan and Zeliard.
 
I've had to wait 90 minutes for an interview once. If you want something bad enough, you'll make it work.
 
Never studied psychology, but to me it seems Thatcher has some sort of narcisstic personality disorder...

Everything this me me me, my pride, my dignity, i'm not a doormat!, I am in the right!, ....

If your still read this thread, think about getting checked for that. You will never have any success in life, when you think everything revolves around you.
 
I love how all of my posts following his dumb dota crap in that thread totally still apply to this one:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=103308086&postcount=16578

Thacker said:
I just like proving I am right.
Or that you're continuing to miss the larger point of what everyone is trying to tell you and straight up ignoring advice. You're intentionally wallowing in this hell you've had and still have opportunity to get out of.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=103309391&postcount=16588

yeah this has to be a troll at this point

no way someone is this dense

damn looking back through those pages i forgot how far he went lol

calling us all autistic because we couldnt see his "obvious sarcasm" and him posting a bunch of screenshots of people spamming different languages in his dota games
 
Milk? America?

Goddammit, Lionel. I missed a lot.

Here's all you need to know aside from Amirox's post.

Dude waited 45 min for interview, left without saying anything to the interviewer, sent complaint email to interviewer, interviewer said he was unprofessional. At the same time he is posting on GAF hoping we'd agree how ridiculous the boss was. We didn't.

He called us pussies who don't have a backbone because of the estrogen from milk and that not having a backbone is why America sucks today and why the middle class is disappearing.

Like, I can't make this shit up.
 
If that is gaming, I don't want to play games anymore.

It's funny, because unless you have access to gigantic amounts of data (which only Blizzard does), the probabilities in the game are so small that it's pretty much impossible to distinguish actual trends/patterns from random numbers being random.

Here's an example on reddit (warning, more math, but much shorter and less complicated):

http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo3witc...gambling_a_starmetal_heres_your_odds_at_best/

Keep in mind that you get between 50 and 100 (roughly) blood shards per boss kill, which is roughly every 10-15 minutes if you're grinding it out hard.
 
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I saw the OP of this thread, shrugged it off, and then went out on a date. I returned and apparently everything went batshit.

Assuming this thread doesn't get locked, I'll comb through it and try to put together some coherent summary of whatever the hell happened here. As for now, please refer to MarioLee's summary above.

Here's all you need to know aside from Amirox's post.

Dude waited 45 min for interview, left without saying anything to the interviewer, sent complaint email to interviewer, interviewer said he was unprofessional. At the same time he is posting on GAF hoping we'd agree how ridiculous the boss was. We didn't.

He called us pussies who don't have a backbone because of the estrogen from milk and that not having a backbone is why America sucks today and why the middle class is disappearing.

Like, I can't make this shit up.
 
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I saw the OP of this thread, shrugged it off, and then went out on a date. I returned and apparently everything went batshit.

Assuming this thread doesn't get locked, I'll comb through it and try to put together some coherent summary of whatever the hell happened here. As for now, please refer to MarioLee's summary above.

Sweet.

Too much estrogen, no energy to read thread.
 
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I saw the OP of this thread, shrugged it off, and then went out on a date. I returned and apparently everything went batshit.

Assuming this thread doesn't get locked, I'll comb through it and try to put together some coherent summary of whatever the hell happened here. As for now, please refer to MarioLee's summary above.

Have you considered hiring him?
 
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I saw the OP of this thread, shrugged it off, and then went out on a date. I returned and apparently everything went batshit.

Assuming this thread doesn't get locked, I'll comb through it and try to put together some coherent summary of whatever the hell happened here. As for now, please refer to MarioLee's summary above.

If this is the kind of stuff that happens when you go out on a date, may God have mercy on NeoGAF's soul if you ever get married.

Have you considered hiring him?

I would love to be even a stewardess on Mandrake Air. I hear the threads of their uniforms are made from overused airplane pillows as the people of Mandrake Air believe in recycling.
They are currently working on the lice problem.
 
It all started one day long ago, when our man Thacker posted a most sorrowful tale filled with tragedy and misfortune, about how a shrill and evil ex-girlfriend beat him with a phone after a "mutual" physical altercation. This girlfriend then became the head of some powerful company, malevolently shutting down all his job opportunities one after the other until, despondent, he turned to NeoGAF and made that first thread.

Filled with a sense of social activism, he tireless campaigned (in the NeoGAF topic) for sympathy and empathy for the tragic miscarriage of American justice in which a mere misdemeanor could mean someone as ALPHA and as talented as he - easily worth 80k at least - could not get a job. Understandably, NeoGAF's liberal elite agreed with this. But NeoGAF is a harsh mistress, and it wasn't so long before we turned to consume our own.

For Thacker made a second topic, A Tale of 'Merica and Milk (retitled from its original thread release 1.0), in which he finally had a job interview with someone willing to pay him 70k. In his first e-mail, this fucking 80s Reagan-era wannabe had the AUDACITY to ask him for his salary history and references. Knowing immediately this was a power play by some fucking trust fund kid out of control, he kept his composure and said he would respond later with his references and kept his salary history confidential. He was a player, and he knew it.

So he arrives at the interview early, and quickly finishes the forms they ask him to fill out. And then the horrific waiting game begins. Minute after minute ticks by. What seems like an eternity. The assistant knowingly sipping on her coffee, every suck amplified a million times as if an atomic bomb was going off in the empty minimalist lobby. He looked hastily at his watch: FORTY FIVE FUCKING MINUTES!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?

He looked and saw the man who was to give his interview on the phone. He angrily grumbled to himself and said internally he was NOT going to be taken advantage of, and his gut told him something was not right. So he got up and left. Like a fucking baller. He left. And then he got anxious and made this topic. Realizing he may have reacted... hastily... he decides to e-mail the guy.

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Now as you can tell from reading it, as you might expect this is exactly the type of letter that says "PRIME WORKPLACE CANDIDATE, I SHOULD FORGET THAT LITTLE STUNT AND HIRE HIM", but no. That's not what happened. He got this response instead:



Having just been given a SERVED SANDWICH with a side of PWNAGE lettuce, he began to defend his gut feeling, even despite every single person on NeoGAF saying it was insane and he should just wake up tomorrow with a new attitude.

He grew embittered, sensing yet another miscarriage of social justice, he begins to accuse us all of being a perfect example of why the very fabric of society is crumbling, replete with references to wealth inequality and the death of the middle class. Crying eagles and american flags unfurled themselves as his patriotic banter, but it was not long to be.

For in a closing salvo, he informs NeoGAF that they have overdosed on milk and estrogen, which is why we don't understand his perspective of standing up for himself and leaving immediately after 45 minutes. If only we had dipped far less cookies in our milk, mayhaps we could have grasped his vision of the world.


If only...

This is probably the worst recap I have ever read.
 
So he arrives at the interview early, and quickly finishes the forms they ask him to fill out. And then the horrific waiting game begins. Minute after minute ticks by. What seems like an eternity. The assistant knowingly sipping on her coffee, every suck amplified a million times as if an atomic bomb was going off in the empty minimalist lobby. He looked hastily at his watch: FORTY FIVE FUCKING MINUTES!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?

The whole post is beautiful but this paragraph, this is a work of art.
 
Obviously late to the thread, but really? Only 45min before our now banned OP decided to leave? I gladly waited 2 hours for my turn in an interview with freakin' McDonalds when I was 16 and got the job. McDonalds. Fast forward several years later, I would wait as long it took for an interview if it meant I had a shot at getting a job that payed - if I read it right - 70k a yr. I mean damn, reading your post infuriates me OP. Initiative and patience are key components in life, and, gathering from this and your previous threads, you possess neither.

I need a smoke, fuck.
 
. I mean damn, reading your post infuriates me OP. Initiative and patience are key components in life, and, gathering from this and your previous threads, you possess neither.

I need a smoke, fuck.

He's knows his worth...lol

But seriously I'm wondering if he's on the autism spectrum?
 
Here I am, reading over the entire thread, drinking a (very) tall glass of milk.

I think the real problem here is that Thacker should have brought a sippy cup (as to not spill) filled with milk to the interview. Maybe then he wouldn't have been so alpha and landed himself a job.
 
I'm 27 (same as OP) and looking for a new IT job in SC. My current position doesn't pay what it should be.

If I had to wait for a high paying job (or any job for that matter) then I keep my mouth shut and wait. If you're so desperate for money, then you shouldn't feel so entitled that you can't wait for an interview.

Fuck that. OP needs to be un-banned so he can let me know where this job is so I can interview for it. I'm willing to move.


I feel bad too. My certs are no where near his level.
 
As I said, my actual problem is in understanding how people see "putting up with shit" as a standard now. I don't care so much for OPs case. It just surprised me how much people will bow down, just to get a job. It's like a disease, that companies think they are something better than their workforce, which brings in the skill, knowledge and money. It's should be a fair trade. People should respect each other, and if either the employer or employee are late, it shouldn't be that much of a deal, but handled with enough respect. So just to use OPs case as an example, it is not and it shouldn't be normal to let somebody wait 45 minutes without saying anything. That's not just a bit rude, but showing how much respect that person has for you - 0% in this case. Comments like "Don't wanna wait an hour? Then you don't deserve the job." make me wanna puke.

Honestly, it's sad that we came to a point were people need to beg for a job to pay their bills, but I can't really support this behavior at all. So whatever the OPs track record is, I don't care, but I'm all for how he handled the situation. Fuck people who think their job offer is better than the human being applying for it.

Right on, but it is fair to say Thatcher's case does not highlight this. As said in the manager email, the reason for the wait was so he would have enough time to fill out the forms, so he probably gave himself tasks to due as Thatcher would be doing that. He didn't go "well, fuck this dude, gonna make him wait" or something akin. Taking that into account, Thatcher's time was indeed taken into consideration, otherwise it would be something like "finish this form in five minutes or get the fuck out"...which clearly did not happen.

But the bit I bolded, this also depends on where you're working. The sad truth is that poisonous mindset is easily seen in places where motive and profit are the absolutely central goals, and everything else is secondary at best. That mindset is a major issue in our society today, as it has led to the whole short-term gains, fuck long-term sustainability sort of mantra many live and work by. Many ways of life, not even just business, are in for a rude awakening with that mindset. An easy swerve to that is to get into industries where other things typically supercede that, but those are typically NPOs, and some fall into the same issue too...

I don't think all places, and all people, don't live to those dangerous ideals. It is key for many people - and it would be fair to say many on GAF have indeed accomplished this - that what you do is alright, and doesn't come with so much shit that what you are doing seems absolutely futile or destructive, to you or others. That balance is key. Thatcher's views on vocations, with what he expects, are just as imbalanced as those who are exclusively in life living for the sole purpose of money, and that is to say that it is irrational and will cause so many problems. I think Thatcher probably reasoned that every possible vocation is about motive and profit, which is why he called people doormats for that idea. Some people are doormats to that idea, but the way he twisted it implied all were. I doubt his possible vocation, if he finished the interview, would have been exclusively focused on those things.

The reason many people dogged on him, and I say this as someone who can rationalise some of his views (just not the ones in this thread) is that what he thought, what he expected, and what he did were out of line. Good on him for coming in early to do the paperwork; but the manager gave you enough time to do it. The fact he finished early means he very likely had to wait, considering the manager could not guarantee what split-second Thatcher would be finished by. If he thought he was waiting too long, he should have asked what the hold up was. Instead he made an incredibly false assumption and blew an entire opportunity over what he thought it ought to be regarding the process with what it was.
 
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Our OP Thacker's original intentions for this thread remain, much like everything else he did, confusing. It appears our dear Thacker, an out-of-work IT specialist in Atlanta, was given a golden opportunity to interview for a decent job with a major organization. This was a most welcome change of pace considering since he was admittedly a criminal with a large, unavoidable blemish on his resume, which he felt prevented him from being considered from a large portion of job openings.

I am also assuming you don't hire people with misdemeanors or small problems from their past as well like every other HR department that rejected me in the past and lead me to this shitty situation I am in now.

No, scratch that. I did a crime, I was punished and it's my fault, but people in positions like yours made sure I felt it for years after.

This is why it's most confusing that after an hour long wait following his appointment time, Thacker decided he would not be treated with such disrespect. He thanked the secretary for her time and then stormed out like any man deserving of respect would. It's not like Thacker gave the impression to this employer that he was widely available after 2:00.

I told him I was available any time after two. After business hours would have been fine as well. GAF's insane mentality and love for corporations and the bullshit that we put up with is hilarious to me.

But hey... you guys are making a paycheck and I'm not.

Of course Thacker shared his unfortunate encounter with GAF, eagerly awaiting their sympathy... Yes. That's what Thacker did.

We all, of course, know better. Thacker received quite a thacking from concerned individuals who simply could not understand his motivations. He tried to defend himself, explaining to us the importance of self-respect, human dignity, and an employer valuing his workers. He also shared with us the email exchange he had following his departure.

xxxxxx,

With all due respect I arrived at 2:45pm and walked out at 3:47pm. I filled out your application, took your test and was completed by 3:00. Your previous candidate that you were interviewing walked out around 3:05 and I waited an extra 40+ minutes for my interview that you scheduled at 3.. While I understand things come up, and business must keep going, I am also very professional in how I handle myself and any business relationships. To be made to wait, with not so much as you coming out to shake my hand, introducing yourself and letting me know you were running behind I feel was extremely unprofessional. While I respect your accomplishments and your business, I have no desire to pursue any sort of working relationship with your company.

Thanks,
xxxxxxx


edited: fixed some grammatical mistakes from editing out names

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


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"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, xxxx said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"

Despite his amazingly convincing arguments of "Respect," and "Dignity" and... That's pretty much his whole argument... GAF was still baffled. Especially since Thacker continued to reiterated the fact that he desperately needs a job.

I am unemployed, and would kill for any interview. Hell after 100 resumes and applications in three weeks this was one of the only people to call me back.

But I do have dignity and pride, I guess GAF thinks I have too much of it. Working in an environment you are made to feel shitty and inferior is not a place I want to be. Best of luck to your boyfriend, he may like getting walked on but I don't.

And yea, I do feel the world is out to get me. You can think a fucked up justice system and legalized discrimination for that. It's shook my confidence and given me extreme anxiety in situations like this.

And it's in posts like this, you might begin to notice a trend as Thacker seems to view himself as being pitted against the system. Or as he likes to summarize the whole matter... "merica." Which he, feeling he'd gained a great foothold in his argument, continued to repeat quite a bit.

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The discussion began to devolve, as Thacker became more and more emotional, playing up the victim aspect. All while GAF continued to disagree with him, mock his decision making, and uncover the occasional strange tidbit.

Finally, perhaps driven to the point of insanity by the massive backfire, Thacker revealed what the true cause of all of his despair was.

I am aware. As upset as some of the comments make me, I tend to get over it quick. You can tell a lot about people by what they let others get away with... and we seem to have some very submissive "men" on GAF.

I blame the milk. All them hormones and estrogen.

And then Thacker died.... Or was banned. Whichever you find more satisfying. But despite him being gone, his madness is still being felt.

So uhhh...Look who messaged me on Steam and then promptly defriended/blocked me. (Dota GAF knows this is him)

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[Heavy sigh]

This is a hell of a thread. Twenty pages of crazy. And the OP was insanely active through the whole thing. I couldn't fit most of it into a coherent summary. Lots of neat little developments for you to go back and find for your own if you're so inclined.

Why, there was even a brief moment where people began to suspect that I might even be involved with Thacker's story. Hah. As if there was some sort of conspiracy involving old Lionel Mandrake and milk. Preposterous.

Oh, and to Thacker... If you're reading this. We're always open to new employees if you'd like to try for another interview. I'm afraid the old position's been filled, but the Mandrake Air experimental division can always use more testers.
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Goodnight.
 
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