LectureMaster
Has Man Musk
What they have now? A bloated 20k+ employee company that repeats the same formula year over year.
AC: Unity's NPC number is impressive to this date. Ubi at least had ambition 10 years ago.
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Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Yeah, my guy. My kids love that yellow one that does lightning.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I don't disagree, but shit....many attacked the game to fucking death upon release and missed a lot of that.
I hope they end up doing a remake in the new anvil engine
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Reizo Ryuu
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It was a crowd simulation though, not individual npcs, they were split up in groups and they would swap in being actual "entities" based on how far away from you they are; there would still be some actual real npcs roaming around at all times, but even those would only get their full behaviour set up close.
Origins swapped it out for scheduled behaviour for all npcs, odyssey+ removed the scheduling, probably because of CPU time being required elsewhere, but allowed for more unique npcs.
Origins swapped it out for scheduled behaviour for all npcs, odyssey+ removed the scheduling, probably because of CPU time being required elsewhere, but allowed for more unique npcs.
Denton
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simpatico
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Can we just get games with baked AC Unity lighting and run them all at 4k144? Isn't that just easier on everyone outside of Nvidia? Just put all this temporal soup upscaling behind us. Never speak of it and pretend it never happened. 2010 gamer me would kick my ass for over non native rendering. Now it's normalized. And for what?Even beyond the NPC count, it's still a really nice looking game:
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Come On Tars
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Unity is such a gem. The paradigm is quality of assets or quantity. Unity seems to buck that with the not only the best looking ass creed to this day AND the most impressive with how much is on screen. Still the best parkour and top 3 in combat.
I like ray tracing but stuff like unity with hand crafted lighting states makes me rethink if it's necessary. Eventually sure but man unitys lighting is gorgeous.
While I liked syndicate it should have came before Unity because it was a regression in every aspect.
Games like Helldivers, WWZ and space marine 2 keep the quantity of units dream alive. And these days all the units look good too, with physics.
I like ray tracing but stuff like unity with hand crafted lighting states makes me rethink if it's necessary. Eventually sure but man unitys lighting is gorgeous.
While I liked syndicate it should have came before Unity because it was a regression in every aspect.
Games like Helldivers, WWZ and space marine 2 keep the quantity of units dream alive. And these days all the units look good too, with physics.
Shaki12345
Member
It's impressive on paper but the end result is very unimpressive. NPC's are constantly morphing into different NPC's. It's some kind of LOD issue. So no, it is not impressive when it doesn't work. It takes you out of the immersion instantly. It's right in your face. Also, there weren't that many people on the streets back then. There are such more people now and it still isn't that busy.
In the end it's a very unimpressive game gameplay wise, just like AC Syndicate and all the other AC games after. It's like all these Ubisoft games are the exact same but the map is different.
In the end it's a very unimpressive game gameplay wise, just like AC Syndicate and all the other AC games after. It's like all these Ubisoft games are the exact same but the map is different.
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Denton
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I just played Unity and on 5800X3D 3080Ti, at 4K maxed out, it runs at around 60fps. Nowhere near 144. And that GPU is about twice as fast as the one in PS5.
In 1620p (DLDSR) it runs at around 90-100.
Plus baking presents lot of limits by itself and is much more annoying to develop than realtime RTGI.
But it is hard to deny that Unity looks gorgeous, and will always look gorgeous.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol these same twitter losers mocked and banded together to hate on the game at launch. Making sure it never got a sequel.
Im pretty sure this team never made another AC again and was relegated to a support studio for the Black Flag/Origins/Valhalla and Syndicate/Odyssey/Shadows teams.
Well done, internet.
Im pretty sure this team never made another AC again and was relegated to a support studio for the Black Flag/Origins/Valhalla and Syndicate/Odyssey/Shadows teams.
Well done, internet.
Larxia
Member
I agree. The worst looking part about the game is the LOD distance. Some buildings and other assets are WAY too low resolution even at close distance.
Outside of this, I think the game still looks fantastic. It has the best art direction and lighting in the series, and overall I think it looks better than the latest AC games.
I think this all the time. Lately I've been replaying Battlefront 2 (2017), the game almost looks like a movie sometimes, and the thing only uses 30 to 40% of my GTX 1080 on PC.
While we have some tech that is technically more advanced today, I think that in general, games used to look better and were far less demanding. I think 2015 to 2018 is where graphics kind of peaked so far. After this it's just been at the very best diminishing returns, and at worst games that are blurrier, uglier and 10 times more demanding than better looking games from years before.
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diffusionx
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coincidentally, Nvidia released the 2080 card with ray tracing and DLSS in 2018.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Here's a reminder of the Unity map, and its ten billion icons. People were sick of the bloat, and the fact that the game was more of the same with each iteration.
Sure it was pretty looking and had lots of NPCs. It was still the typical AC game, which at this point people must miss so badly that they're now saying Unity wasn't so bad.
ResilientBanana
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Unity was great and we finally have hardware that can run it, but instead the industry is brute forcing everything and using shitty techniques to achieve blurry ass games with artifacting all over the place don't get me started on the unoptimized asset loads causing stuttering.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It was Ubisoft Montreal, they did Origins & Valhalla and to my knowledge took over the Prince of Persia Remake.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They were ambitious for parity reasons.
IYKYK
IYKYK
Punished Miku
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The Origins formula never caught up to these. Basically was Ghost of Tsushima but more interesting city layouts with a lot more going on.
genesisblock
Member
No it wasn't. Not even close. Ubisoft has basically kicked the hornet's nest culturally and force engaging in DEI initiatives. Which has got a lot more traction in pretty much all of gaming media no matter how hard they tried to contain it.
The only "controversy" that Unity got was it got buggy. Once the game was a lot more stable, gamers had a higher opinion on it including me.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Here's a reminder of the Unity map, and its ten billion icons. People were sick of the bloat, and the fact that the game was more of the same with each iteration.
Sure it was pretty looking and had lots of NPCs. It was still the typical AC game, which at this point people must miss so badly that they're now saying Unity wasn't so bad.
Press R1 or L1.
Problem solved.
Johnny Concrete
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Wait until you see the facial animations and compare it with modern AC's…
I don't know what happened with the animation department over there, but it's not good.
I don't know what happened with the animation department over there, but it's not good.
kevboard
Member
it did have massive issues with these crowds tho.
like people literally change their entire look if you get closer to them, because the engine couldn't keep track of which NPC model is which, so you see women with white clothes and long hair, suddenly change to red clothes with short hair... it's like extreme pop-in in a way, where instead of getting a higher detail model loaded in, it loads an entirely different one right in front of you.
these sudden NPC model changes can happen as close as like 3-5 meters in front of you
like people literally change their entire look if you get closer to them, because the engine couldn't keep track of which NPC model is which, so you see women with white clothes and long hair, suddenly change to red clothes with short hair... it's like extreme pop-in in a way, where instead of getting a higher detail model loaded in, it loads an entirely different one right in front of you.
these sudden NPC model changes can happen as close as like 3-5 meters in front of you
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For a 10 year old game looks pretty good
Full of small glitches in both gameplay and cutscenes though. Texture accuracy, shadows, pop ups, setc, all were extremely wonky (on console at least).
Still liked the game at the time.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Doesn't get rid of all the excess bloat though.
MakeMudosGreatAgain
Neo Member
Exercise and drink some water
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
What you dont want to see......you wont.
Said bloat disappears.....out of sight out of mind.
That map is only cluttered because every single collectable is being highlighted.......if you dont highlight every single collectable it doesnt look like that.
Unless im mistaken to even to make the map look like that you had to buy.......yes buy the treasure map, i believe it was called the time saver or something like that.
The only other way to put collectables on the map was to scan them with eagle vision when you were near them.
I dont much care for all the collectables, and would much rather happen upon them as I play the game.
I think I only started actively hunting the collectables after I had finished the game.
MMaRsu
Gold Member
Because the game is mid?
Conan's review is on point.
You train with your guy in the bastille for months, he still calls you pisspot
Everybody is talking like they are english
You find invoices on dead bodies instead of actual loot
Cyberpunkd
Member
That's because at release that thing was almost melting PS4s. Ubi really went all in on that.
Cyberpunkd
Member
I can confirm that thing is 100% French accurate.
Gonzito
Gold Member
This is one of the reasons why i cannot stand anymore their games. The facial animations in their latest games is a complete damn joke. It all started with Origins, and it reached his peak with Oddissey. Its awful and it looks terrible, you play older games like Watch Dogs, or old AC and the cutscenes are so fucking good in comparison, its honestly embarassing
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Futaleufu
Member
IIRC the game was capped to 30 fps on consoles because the CPUs could barely handle all the NPCs and game logic.
Watch Dogs 1 and Unity both received a huge backlash, that was mostly deserved but also hurtful. Their next games were less bold, Syndicate was oversimplified for a more casual audience like the next episodes.
That being said their strategy worked until at least 2018. Now it's even worse than a problem of direction, they even struggle to make games on par with their predecessor on a basic level.
That being said their strategy worked until at least 2018. Now it's even worse than a problem of direction, they even struggle to make games on par with their predecessor on a basic level.
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winjer
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Lot's of NPCs. But only 2 genders. And modern Ubisoft doesn't like that.
Their games must have all the genders and pronouns.
