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According to eXtas1s, Microsoft has either 'paused' or 'slowed down' bringing its games to PS5.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Exactly.
Bernardougf
Member
Giving fanboys hope again.. thats just evil at this point.
Kvally
Member
But it is literally 100% the same reason. More revenue, more profits. That is a fact.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
If this is legitimate, I’ll believe it when I see it. Once you start, it’s probably going to be difficult to stop bringing games over especially if they are selling. Also, the expectation for XBOX games on other platforms will only grow with each multiplatform release.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Buuuuuut, Sony's games don't need PC. Microsoft ported their games to another console platform because they weren't selling well. Thus, again no.
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Well, Microsoft's priority has clearly been to drive GP subs rather than just selling games.
It's a massive leap from PS5 receiving a few fringe games ported years after release to expecting that every tentpole Xbox franchise will appear "day and date."
Because the business update was the real start of the expectation that every Xbox game would be released on PS5 "day and date."
True, but let's not pretend that the opposite type of rumours about Xbox aren't frequently treated as gospel, no matter the source.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
That's wise thing to do, PS needs to think the same and cease bringing games to PC
ChorizoPicozo
Member
and that is the issue of using "influencers" as your PR mouth piece. (people are going to believe what they say)
what happens in the next 2-4 years its going to directly impact MS chances to build a solid strategy. right know they keep pivoting because nothing is working
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
They should port GT7 first, just to make sure
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Yes they do. Their major games often cost so much to make that it has become much tougher to keep them as console exclusives.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
MS has no competitive spirit, and no games. They already ported their best game to ps5 then shuttered the studio.
Kvally
Member
But according to Sony they do need PC (and other platforms). Just like they said they need revenue from COD in order to finance first party games. They need revenue outside their garden. In fact, they are focused heavily on MAU's now, by spreading to more platforms to obtain more revenue to help offset the insanely expensive cost to developing their expensive first party games.
This is what they said, not us.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
No Halo or Gears on PlayStation
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Break those major games' cost down for me. Then, break down what they sold without the PC platform. Then breakdown how much they sell/make on that platform.
Kvally
Sony said they need PC and other platforms? Provide me the source(s). And let's be clear, seeking to add revenue and porting games so they survive are two very, very different things.
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Topher
Identifies as young
To be clear, Sony basically said they are doing this to boost margins. All part of the "must please stockholders" mantra that these corporations live by.
jm89
Member
It's more of a want then need.
Most of sonys big hitters have been profitable even without pc. Even Helldivers 2 without pc would have made a decent profit.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
This is what I recall.
Clearly the shareholders disagree and weren't happy with the money made from games sales on console alone.
Topher
Identifies as young
Straight from Totoki...
“This is true, but there’s a synergy to it, so if you have strong first-party content – not only on our console but also other platforms, like computers – a first-party [game] can be grown with multi-platform, and that can help operating profit to improve, so that’s another one we want to proactively work on."
Sony wants to improve PlayStation profit margins with more aggressive PC release strategy | VGC
Hiroki Totoki says the company has to “proactively work on” making more games multi-platform…
www.videogameschronicle.com
RetroGamingUK
Member
Microsoft always seem to have parallel messaging going on
To Xbox owners
“We’re still supporting Xbox, continue to buy out stuff and subscribe to Gamepass”
To PlayStation
“Our games are coming to PS5, please be excite”
They seem to hope the former is unaware of the latter.
To Xbox owners
“We’re still supporting Xbox, continue to buy out stuff and subscribe to Gamepass”
To PlayStation
“Our games are coming to PS5, please be excite”
They seem to hope the former is unaware of the latter.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Right. Of course they want operating profit to improve, but they are nowhere near a crisis situation of need that their games have to be ported to any other system than PC to thrive (and as we usually see, they don't even need PC to thrive).Straight from Totoki...
“This is true, but there’s a synergy to it, so if you have strong first-party content – not only on our console but also other platforms, like computers – a first-party [game] can be grown with multi-platform, and that can help operating profit to improve, so that’s another one we want to proactively work on."
Sony wants to improve PlayStation profit margins with more aggressive PC release strategy | VGC
Hiroki Totoki says the company has to “proactively work on” making more games multi-platform…
M m14
The info I was looking for was provided. Need isn't the issue.
But, back on topic, more Xbox games will make their way to other consoles. Unless Microsoft makes a sudden about-face, that's where things are obviously headed.
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LordBlodgett
Member
They seem to have no strategy anymore.............
Iced Arcade
Member
I don't believe the last one (halo gears going to PS) but I also don't believe this one.
if a rumor came out and said "Phil is lost and is going to continue to throw shit at a wall to see what sticks" then sure I'd believe that.
if a rumor came out and said "Phil is lost and is going to continue to throw shit at a wall to see what sticks" then sure I'd believe that.
Zacfoldor
Member
The damage is done. It's like committing a murder and immediately experiencing existential regret and trying desperately to save your own victim. It's sad in a way that is really special.
I mean, I get being afraid of your own fans backlash, but what is the long game here? You gonna win those fans back? lol, even if they didn't have all this failure going on on the business/popularity side of things, they still have the cancer of being unable to release an industry leading title and they still have the albatross around their neck of not being anyone's primary digital platform, not housing anyone's main library except the people they are leaving behind.
Did they also back off their plans for the next Xbox to run Steam? Because if not, I'm afraid to tell you that compared to that, dropping Indiana Jones on PlayStation is completely irrelevant. They are deplatforming themselves. This only makes sense if the next Xbox is a traditional console, or if the management is inept and wishy washy. Ideally you want management to make an informed plan and work that plan, not change with the daily whims of the fans and throw the plan away at the first sign of adversity.
MS give up way to easily and that is why they will never succeed in gaming. Just like google and Stadia.
I mean, I get being afraid of your own fans backlash, but what is the long game here? You gonna win those fans back? lol, even if they didn't have all this failure going on on the business/popularity side of things, they still have the cancer of being unable to release an industry leading title and they still have the albatross around their neck of not being anyone's primary digital platform, not housing anyone's main library except the people they are leaving behind.
Did they also back off their plans for the next Xbox to run Steam? Because if not, I'm afraid to tell you that compared to that, dropping Indiana Jones on PlayStation is completely irrelevant. They are deplatforming themselves. This only makes sense if the next Xbox is a traditional console, or if the management is inept and wishy washy. Ideally you want management to make an informed plan and work that plan, not change with the daily whims of the fans and throw the plan away at the first sign of adversity.
MS give up way to easily and that is why they will never succeed in gaming. Just like google and Stadia.
Kvally
Member
Yeah, if they want to stay in business. Sony has stated that they need 3rd party revenue in order to stay in business.
"Sony claims Call of Duty players spend at least around $1 billion on PlayStation hardware, peripherals, subscriptions, games, and other PlayStation services. If these players left PS5 for Xbox, it would reduce Sony’s ability to invest in future hardware and games. More specifically, it would “reduce the potential return on producing innovative first-party games, thereby diminishing SIE’s ability and incentive to invest in new games.” In other words, games like God of War would be far more unlikely to exist without the presence of Call of Duty.
Sony is operating on a need to expand their revenue, as they cannot rely on expensive first party AAA games to move the needle. The ROI hasn't worked out for them. This is what Sony has said. They clearly need 3rd party revenue, as stated by them. And it's smart that they moving to being more 3rd party. By not putting all their eggs in one basket will prevent them from becoming a page in a history book.
Even the previous head of PlayStation said this.
Former Sony exec says focusing on high-budget blockbusters is 'a death sentence' for the games industry
Ex-SIE charman Shawn Layden says an overemphasis on AAA games is "a threat to the ecosystem."
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Exactly. They've started porting games and basically easing their fans into this situation. Of course, this is Microsoft, so a sudden about-face wouldn't be that far fetched. But, as you said, then what is the long game here?
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The business update wasn't the start of those expectations. That was to fight the rumours. It was when the business update turned out to be bullshit and Indiana Jones got announced that there was the expectation that nothing is off limits and MS were full of shit during the business update.
jm89
Member
No where does it say anywhere it would effect their ability to stay in business.
Haint
Member
Assuming there's any truth to this, yeah I'd say the reasoning is the ports outside the initial novelty haven't sold too well, and/or their hardware sales cratered much harder than they were anticipating (effecting Gamepass subs in kind).
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Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
Absolutely. As an avid Nintendo fan, I would love to be able to play Zelda and Mario Odyssey and all those other great games at 4K/60fps with achievements and a controller with a headset jack. That would be amazing.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, if they want to stay in business. Sony has stated that they need 3rd party revenue in order to stay in business.
"Sony claims Call of Duty players spend at least around $1 billion on PlayStation hardware, peripherals, subscriptions, games, and other PlayStation services. If these players left PS5 for Xbox, it would reduce Sony’s ability to invest in future hardware and games. More specifically, it would “reduce the potential return on producing innovative first-party games, thereby diminishing SIE’s ability and incentive to invest in new games.” In other words, games like God of War would be far more unlikely to exist without the presence of Call of Duty.
Sony is operating on a need to expand their revenue, as they cannot rely on expensive first party AAA games to move the needle. The ROI hasn't worked out for them. This is what Sony has said. They clearly need 3rd party revenue, as stated by them. And it's smart that they moving to being more 3rd party. By not putting all their eggs in one basket will prevent them from becoming a page in a history book.
Even the previous head of PlayStation said this.
Former Sony exec says focusing on high-budget blockbusters is 'a death sentence' for the games industry
Ex-SIE charman Shawn Layden says an overemphasis on AAA games is "a threat to the ecosystem."www.pcgamer.com
That's fairly obvious though, isn't it? Only Nintendo has been able to succeed primarily on the back of first party. Sony and Microsoft have always had a synergistic relationship with third parties. COD being the single biggest franchise on either platform is obviously a major piece of that.
But why did this become about third parties? First party ports is really what is being discussed.
Kvally
Member
Nintendo seems to have the right rhythm. They march to the beat of their own drum. The only thing they are missing is revenue from me. If I could only get into them. I praise them for what they have done, and they are clearly successful and making millions of gamers happy.
Yes indeed.
Good question my friend, good question.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Or a sudden pivot to Sony.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
That’s why Xbox’s business model isn’t working anymore. PS and Xbox both essentially do the same thing, they just have different letters or shapes on their controller buttons. Except PS has those huge first-party brands that get an installment or two every generation. And Xbox’s first-party has fallen off considerably since Xbox One. So with PS chipping away at them on the one hardcore AAA side, and Nintendo chipping away at them on the opposite side, there doesn’t seem to be much of a market these days for a third console manufacturer to have 20-30% of the share of the install base. If Game Pass is supposed to be the differentiator, it’s not working. There’s no room in the middle. Either you’re dominating or you’re not. And Nintendo dominating, or PS dominating, that comes at the expense of someone else not dominating.
Someone was always going to eventually lose that position. But Nintendo’s had an incredible comeback with the Switch, and PS outsells Xbox 4 or 5 to one, so Xbox just doesn’t have a place anymore.
Just in the era since a third major platform holder joined the console industry,
Sega Saturn third place
GameCube third place
PS3 third place
Wii U third place
Series X/S third place.
There’s always an odd man out in a three-way race.
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onnextflix5
Member
Who is in charge of this shit show, not Phil clearly. Ms needs to put someone in charge for 4 years, give them a budget with no interference from above, or this will be end of Xbox, if they carry on like this.
Kvally
Member
The thread is about Xbox and Sony, according to the thread titleOr a sudden pivot to Sony.
A delayed release for Indiana Jones on PS5 is still a long way from major Xbox franchises appearing "day and date" on the Sony platform. As of today "the expectation that nothing is off limits" isn't grounded in reality.
It's like two rival sports teams and one team trades / sells a couple of fringe players to the other. Would that team then be realistic in expecting to sign the star player(s) from their rival as well?
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
But not about Sony's 1st Party or 3rd Party business dealings.The thread is about Xbox and Sony, according to the thread title
jm89
Member
That's what makes it fun.
Kvally
Member
I guess back to the topic at hand then! Which, has been played out here numerous times. Love a good rehashBut not about Sony's 1st Party or 3rd Party business dealings.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Well, true dat!I guess back to the topic at hand then! Which, has been played out here numerous times. Love a good rehash
Five stages of grief
3rd party multi platform
2nd party multi platform
1st party multi platform
2nd party exclusive
1st party exclusive
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
digoutyoursoul
Member
He’s in charge when there is positive news , like when Gamepass subs increase due to Call of Duty
Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
“No interference from above”? C’mon. At no major company do you not have to answer to someone. That’s not a thing.
The issue isn’t interference, it’s not having a strong first-party stable of games to come out at a steady cadence to drive your install base. They’ve been surviving almost purely on back compat, Game Pass, and third-parties for years now. And we are seeing the results of that now, long-term.
It’s either Game Pass that’s not a selling point and a hardware mover, or it’s the library on Game Pass that’s not a selling point or a hardware mover. We’ve sort of eliminated everything else, outside of they need more, better first-party games.
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