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[Xamtheking]

RAGE's role makes a lot of sense in the later game, where votes make or break a game. Being able to completely nullify one person's vote every night could easily give town a fighting chance if things weren't looking too good. RAGE is a modified Day Jailor

 

[CornBurrito]

RAGE's role makes a lot of sense in the later game, where votes make or break a game. Being able to completely nullify one person's vote every night could easily give town a fighting chance if things weren't looking too good. RAGE is a modified Day Jailor

Eh. It can cause Lylo just as easily as it could prevent it.

 

[Sorian]

Current vote count:

CornBurrito (3)
TheWorthyEdge
EzekelRAGE
TheGoddamn

Redfalco (2)
Xamtheking
Drago

EzekelRAGE (1)
TheWorthyEdge
squidyj

StanleyPalmtree (1)
Bowlie

Ri'Orius (1)
CrimsonFist

TheGoddamn (0)
CrimsonFist

10 votes are needed for majority

Day 2 ends in:

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Yeah, Squidy, who would you have voted for if your vote actually counted? That's an interesting question too ask.

 

[squidyj]

We can't discount the possibility, though.

Once you eliminate the impossible, what remains must be the truth.

Now squidy, would you kindly let the court know who you would vote for if you could?

No.
UNVOTE

I'll vote for someone during the day phase as I feel it warrants it as though my vote mattered.
If you want my reads though then I'm happy to give that.

I'm continuing to read CB and CR as town on the back of their more aggressive stances in the last day phase.

I'm not convinced about Zeke's alignment on the basis of his role power, his behavior regarding it doesn't prove anything other than zeke's knowledge of the ramifications of his own abilities, but it's a powerful enough ability to be worth a second thought. So I still feel he's scum but I don't want him lynched because the opportunity cost to town is too high.

The Goddamn went most of day 1 without saying or doing anything, he made a rather large post earlier today where he spends most of the time talking about CB. I really want to hear him open up about other players more.

Bowlie, Redfalco, HipsterCthulhu, and Drago are all low contributors (although bowlie somewhat less so) but they're also claimed new players so I'm trying to prod them a little bit to get a better read on them. I guess that puts me at a slight town read on bowlie, a slight scum read on Drago because of QB who preceded him, and null on the rest.

Starsketch and Xam are both weird people doing weird things in the game. I have in the past dismissed this sort of weird play as not being scum aligned but a couple times I have been burned for it. I want to say they're both town but I also want to reserve the right to change my mind about either of them, especially xam (I know what I said about him earlier today)

Roy stepped forward as being blackmailed, we have nothing to truly confirm this information but it makes him a bad lynch today because
Either he could be making it up, in which case lynching him is helpful, but why would he be making it up right now? what would he gain? it seems unlikely that he is making it up.

or he was blackmailed by shelly de killer, to what end we don't know, it's unclear what blackmailing even does, if shelly is neutral a blackmail could even do nothing. If blackmailing does have some negative effect on town it is better to leave roy alive at least for today as it potentially puts shelly in the position of either giving up the utility of an additional blackmail or confirming that roy is telling the truth by blackmailing someone else. Of course it's possible that roy could be targeted for blackmail multiple times or that there is some other limitation on the blackmail ability. This isn't to say that I read roy as scum (I don't). Just that beyond reads, there's another basis to avoid lynching him.

TheWorthyEdge spent a fair bit of time today suggesting some narratives that I don't really agree with. He suggested that aggressive scumhunting is more the sign of a scum than a town player which is weird to me. then he also suggested the entire "maybe they killed rnh to frame cb" .... "to frame zeke!" which felt like quite a reach. I definitely want to keep my eye on him.

I feel like Zubz is riding my blind spot right now, I can't really think of anything about him. The only thing that comes to mind is that "i guess I missed the buzzer" post, which I didn't really like. It was just useless fluff for visibility that tried to suggest he would have done something if he hadn't been late.

Anyways those are some thoughts for now, I'll vote when I'm good and ready.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

No.
UNVOTE

I'll vote for someone during the day phase as I feel it warrants it as though my vote mattered.
If you want my reads though then I'm happy to give that.

I'm continuing to read CB and CR as town on the back of their more aggressive stances in the last day phase.

I'm not convinced about Zeke's alignment on the basis of his role power, his behavior regarding it doesn't prove anything other than zeke's knowledge of the ramifications of his own abilities, but it's a powerful enough ability to be worth a second thought. So I still feel he's scum but I don't want him lynched because the opportunity cost to town is too high.

The Goddamn went most of day 1 without saying or doing anything, he made a rather large post earlier today where he spends most of the time talking about CB. I really want to hear him open up about other players more.

Bowlie, Redfalco, HipsterCthulhu, and Drago are all low contributors (although bowlie somewhat less so) but they're also claimed new players so I'm trying to prod them a little bit to get a better read on them. I guess that puts me at a slight town read on bowlie, a slight scum read on Drago because of QB who preceded him, and null on the rest.

Starsketch and Xam are both weird people doing weird things in the game. I have in the past dismissed this sort of weird play as not being scum aligned but a couple times I have been burned for it. I want to say they're both town but I also want to reserve the right to change my mind about either of them, especially xam (I know what I said about him earlier today)

Roy stepped forward as being blackmailed, we have nothing to truly confirm this information but it makes him a bad lynch today because
Either he could be making it up, in which case lynching him is helpful, but why would he be making it up right now? what would he gain? it seems unlikely that he is making it up.

or he was blackmailed by shelly de killer, to what end we don't know, it's unclear what blackmailing even does, if shelly is neutral a blackmail could even do nothing. If blackmailing does have some negative effect on town it is better to leave roy alive at least for today as it potentially puts shelly in the position of either giving up the utility of an additional blackmail or confirming that roy is telling the truth by blackmailing someone else. Of course it's possible that roy could be targeted for blackmail multiple times or that there is some other limitation on the blackmail ability. This isn't to say that I read roy as scum (I don't). Just that beyond reads, there's another basis to avoid lynching him.

TheWorthyEdge spent a fair bit of time today suggesting some narratives that I don't really agree with. He suggested that aggressive scumhunting is more the sign of a scum than a town player which is weird to me. then he also suggested the entire "maybe they killed rnh to frame cb" .... "to frame zeke!" which felt like quite a reach. I definitely want to keep my eye on him.

I feel like Zubz is riding my blind spot right now, I can't really think of anything about him. The only thing that comes to mind is that "i guess I missed the buzzer" post, which I didn't really like. It was just useless fluff for visibility that tried to suggest he would have done something if he hadn't been late.

Anyways those are some thoughts for now, I'll vote when I'm good and ready.

I'm throwing any type of possibility out there. It's day 2. We don't know anything, so just trying to understand and throwing ideas as to why Mafia would kill certain people is what I did.

I felt like what I did was good, and adds to more perspective on things.

Yeah, where has Zubz been today? Odd.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

UNVOTE

I really need to look @ some things again. I thought I had something going but guess not. I just wonder if Zeke's role is Neutral or Town. Idk if I believe that it's town!

 

[Ri'Orius]

Right now I believe Ezekel's roleclaim. The power obviously works, the flavor fits the name, and IMO the power and flavor both seem towny (voting is how town kills people, so stealing votes is how a townie can be extra-towny by doubling their vote). If nothing else the power isn't anti-town, and we know that any neutrals which may exist are anti-town.

so can i get any reasoning on this?

I was reviewing Bowlie's posts (he smelled funny as one of the early Kalor voters), and it looks like this vote is just falling back to former suspicions:

As before, I've been reading what you all have been saying and trying to understand the game.

So far, I have some doubts against:

StarSketch (openly declared herself as town)

StanleyPalmtree ("mourning" joke)

Kalor (stayed pianissimo after his vote without reason, and forgot about commenting after his target reacted to it)

QuantumBro (I had doubts against him too, but he's out now)

of those three, I think the most disturbing one is Kalor.

VOTE: Kalor

And yeah, looking at Bowlie's posts, I didn't see anything too suspicious.

I've been looking at this list:

The Kalor bandwaggon then:
CrimsonFist - Me
roytheone - Had previously voiced suspicion on him, and voted.
Xamtheking
Bowlie
ScraftyDevil - Confirmed town
EzekelRAGE
Xamtheking
Starsketch
Ri'Orius
Hipster Cthulhu - Had previouly voted on him prior to the bandwaggon
Squidyj - but only unvoted because I asked for nobody to hammer

I'll give Ezekel a pass on voting Kalor for obvious reasons, Scrafty is beyond reproach, and Kalor was definitely smelling bad arounde the time Xam and Star voted, so Bowlie looks sketchiest of that crowd, but nothing else he posted seemed scummy, and he did have some reason for the vote in the first place (thought Kalor was being too quiet after throwing out a vote without any justification).

Plus, if we believe Ezekel is town, there isn't a good reason for the mafia to get involved and divert suspicion onto Kalor. So I don't think "voted for Kalor" is evidence of scummyness.

I do share some of Bowlie's residual suspicion for Starsketch due to her initial "hey guys, my role PM says 'town' on it" comment. The other person on my radar is CornBurrito. I think he's been very aggressive, pushing his thoughts with way more confidence than they warrant (a technique that can sway people quite easily) while falling back on "oh honest mistake/tunnel vision" excuses. I also don't fully buy his rationale for why he'd be a bad N1 kill target. I don't think there was as much heat on him as he's implying, plus it seems to me that if I'm scum, and I see a loud feud between two townies, killing one of them will ramp up suspicion on the other significantly (both because the kill may've been retribution and because it confirms that the dead feuder was town). If they're both town, the mafia wants to keep the focus of the discussion on them, so we don't look elsewhere.

Since we have an ultimatum out and he's currently my best guess (and I doubt I'll be up around 8AM my time when the deadline comes), I'll go ahead and

VOTE: CornBurrito

Finally I've of course been pondering the meaning of the deKiller calling card/blackmail thing. Some people have been posting about a "forger," which I can't find on the wiki, but from what I gather the idea being hypothesized is that if an alignmentcop investigates someone who is blackmailed, they will be told the blackmailee is scum regardless of their actual alignment? Which sounds like a cool power, but it seems weird that that'd be tied to a serial killer. Like, if deKiller gets to murder people (maybe with some ultimate agenda eg kill N people), and also screw with town's ability to find scum? As a neutral? That's one crazy individual.

So I'm wondering if the blackmail and the calling card could be different powers entirely, and it's just coincidence that they both hit Roy? We know of at least one other night action hitting Scrafty, and there might be more that people are being cagey about, so the odds of two hitting the same person aren't that low. I'd really like to know what exactly Roy's PM said.

 

[RedFalco]

Sorry, I've been busy with school and work. Just got off work a couple of hours ago so I didnt have time to post when Day 2 started.
I definitely will try to be more active. I just need to catch up on some reading from the middle of the thread that I missed. I now realize how time consuming GAFia is.

He was one of two who tried to lynch me ystrday.
I figured him and CB would make a go of it again today, since they felt so strongly about it ystrday.
So stole Squidy's.

I personally felt that CB was more aggressive towards you than Squidy, so if your line of reasoning is that it's because you're trying to prevent your attackers to reattack you id feel that you would've stolen CB's vote. Although I'll have to reread those pages to see if CB was truly the most aggressive.

Okay, just to clarify.

Vote: StanleyPalmtree

What's your reasoning for this vote? Is it still based off of his "mourning" post?

No I mean like
I don't even think that would be a legal command

I personally could see it as a legal command, because it could even open up as a strategy for scum. For example, say if Ezekel was scum he could steal a vote from another scum and increase the counter of a townie without having the need for another scum to vote for the townie. In the future, if Ezekel were to be lynched and found out to be mafia this would help mafia because then those whose votes got stolen could just say "see, I'm innocent, I couldnt even vote against townies if I wanted to". Plus usually in the later days people check who voted with who on the lynches. By Ezekel taking a scum's vote we'd no longer see the correlation of "Ezekel and person Y voted together this many times". We'd only see Ezekel's name on there but his vote counting twice.
All this is of course IF Ezekel is scum. Which as of now I'm personally not sure about but his role definitely doesn't seem very pro-town.

Current vote count:
Ri'Orius (1)
CrimsonFist

TheGoddamn (0)
CrimsonFist

CrimsonFist's vote on TheGoddamn needs a strikethrough, no? Human mistake or is there some more voting shenanigans going on?

 

[CrimsonFist]

Vote: CornBurrito


Barring anything major happening today, one pending conflict is CB vs Zeke, and his general aggressiveness (and the inexplicable alluding to burgers-- eat your burgers, Apollo? Or a blatant breadcrumbing of Maya) is a bit too much for me. Of the two, I'm leaning towards Zeke being town [and Zeke claiming also supports that. Let's see the tally.]

Since we have an ultimatum out and he's currently my best guess (and I doubt I'll be up around 8AM my time when the deadline comes), I'll go ahead and

VOTE: CornBurrito

This isn't a bullet time battle. Today doesn't have to just be CB vs Zeke, and I'm a bit curious as to why both of you are framing it like it does.

 

[Bowlie]

so can i get any reasoning on this?

Of course; I went to bed after that.

If you're scum and Zeke's not, then after being called out about being in Barry's last thoughts or whatever you posted that you changed your opinions on Zeke. I think it's a fair reason, a lot of people changed their opinions too, but I'm trying to understand why he would be killed.

If you're both scum (veery unlikely as of now), then it's strange that after being called out you said "hey, Zeke, you might be trustworthy" and Zeke's next post said "hey, I am trustworthy", since he was umprompted to do so (as long as he did in the beginning of this day, before Squid's possible vote). Hence why I voted for you after he said he was town. This one's reaching, though.

You may very well be town, but I didn't know if I'd be here again before Scrafty's upcoming post so I chose to vote for you.

 

[CrimsonFist]

Zeke, do you have to use your role every night?

 

[roytheone]

Hmm, Ezekel is power is interesting. I don't think it is a scum power, since that would be incredibly powerful. This power being scum aligned basically will give then 2 "extra votes", since they will get one extra, and town loses one. That could bring Lylo closer with a whole day, extremely powerful.

I am currently slightly leaning to this being a neutral power. It kinda makes sense if you think about it: Judging from our win condition, it is unlikely neutrals will have a survivor win condition. So a neutral having the power to switch votes around, and thus postpone one team winning for at least a day actually would be logical.

1. Roles probably have powers that associate with names in some way; even though Edgeworth wasn't a PR, he was Town-aligned, which makes sense.
2. Tomorrow, I'm hoping to ask Roy a bit more about the blackmailing to see if I can make some sense of it. People have been talking about alignment cops, and I'm definitely echoing CornB here earlier, but the blackmail might have to do with alignments or whatnot.

1. Judging from both the miles flip and the phoenix wright flip (which did had powers, but not necessarily the ones you would expect him to have), I doubt we could link powers to role names. Alignment is an different case, but that is probably why scum will have fake role names.

2. Ask away, but I already told you guys all I know.

No I mean like
I don't even think that would be a legal command

Why don't you think that would be a legal command? Hell, I (or was it Hyper? We look so much alike, don't we Nin? targeted fellow scum crab with our night kill during HP, and we also targeted each other with our voldy sniffer to create confusing movement. Scum can almost always target each other with their powers.

This isn't to say that I read roy as scum (I don't).

I got the feeling you were pretty suspicious of me during day 1. What changed your mind about that?

Right now I believe Ezekel's roleclaim. The power obviously works, the flavor fits the name, and IMO the power and flavor both seem towny (voting is how town kills people, so stealing votes is how a townie can be extra-towny by doubling their vote). If nothing else the power isn't anti-town, and we know that any neutrals which may exist are anti-town.




So I'm wondering if the blackmail and the calling card could be different powers entirely, and it's just coincidence that they both hit Roy? We know of at least one other night action hitting Scrafty, and there might be more that people are being cagey about, so the odds of two hitting the same person aren't that low. I'd really like to know what exactly Roy's PM said.

The power is not anti-town? If it is in scum hands, it is INCREDIBLY anti-town. Having a vote majority is often the win condition of scum, so a power that directly impacts votes could end up deciding the game.

About the calling cards: The way my pm is phrased, that is incredibly unlikely. The calling card and blackmail are results of the same thing.

 

[roytheone]

Looking at the possibilities:

Ezekel is scum: Very, VERY bad. His power will basically guarantee that Lylo will be happening a day sooner then normal, as long as he lives. This will probably make him the most powerful scum, and we will need to get rid of him ASAP. But for now I doubt this is a scum power.

Ezekel is town: This is good. He could directly safe us from losing by stealing a vote from a scum and thus avoiding them getting a majority vote. However, scum will probably kill him before we reach endgame to avoid that.

Ezekel is neutral: This depends on his win condition. A survivor win is off the table, so he probably would have to do something X times to win. This will mean he will use his power to stretch the game until he achieved his win condition. So he will be behaving anti-town if we are doing well and are winning, and behave pro-town if scum is close to winning. Scum will probably need to kill him if they are doing well, and we need to lynch him if we are doing well. This is a very hard one, since it will be impossible to verify his win condition.

For now, i find it more likely that he will use his powers pro-town then anti-town, and scum will need to kill him eventually to get rid of his vote manipulation which will be a serious danger to them.

 

[roytheone]

Also, for my vote, for now I will go:

VOTE: Xamtheking

When looking at the player list, I keep thinking Xam is a pretty active person, but then when I check his posts, he has a lot of posts, but not a lot of things of value. Day 1 like 80 % of his posts were jokes and fluff, and while today there is less fluff, a lot of his posts are still more general observations ("things we know are true", "this is how I think ezekel his power works", "be cautious of what people claim" "roles and powers are probably linked" etc) and not really who he suspects is scum. Those type of remarks can be pro-town and useful, but they are also an easy way to appear useful while avoiding talking about your suspicions.

 

[CornBurrito]

Ri'O I'm a bit confused as to why your long post leads up to a vote for me.

 

[Xamtheking]

Also, for my vote, for now I will go:

VOTE: Xamtheking

When looking at the player list, I keep thinking Xam is a pretty active person, but then when I check his posts, he has a lot of posts, but not a lot of things of value. Day 1 like 80 % of his posts were jokes and fluff, and while today there is less fluff, a lot of his posts are still more general observations ("things we know are true", "this is how I think ezekel his power works", "be cautious of what people claim" "roles and powers are probably linked" etc) and not really who he suspects is scum. Those type of remarks can be pro-town and useful, but they are also an easy way to appear useful while avoiding talking about your suspicions.

Doge, if you wanted some suspicions, just ask, k?
Personally, I find Drago and RedFalco to be super suspicious, with StarSketch being a little less so.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Doge, if you wanted some suspicions, just ask, k?
Personally, I find Drago and RedFalco to be super suspicious, with StarSketch being a little less so.

What makes you find these 2 suspicious beyond low post count?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I personally felt that CB was more aggressive towards you than Squidy, so if your line of reasoning is that it's because you're trying to prevent your attackers to reattack you id feel that you would've stolen CB's vote. Although I'll have to reread those pages to see if CB was truly the most aggressive.

Of the 1-2 punch of CB/SJ, I felt Squidy was more threatening, since he is more trusted/influential of the two. Vote started pilin on for me after me and Squidy went back and forth.

Zeke, do you have to use your role every night?

Yes I do.

TWE, it seems you missed my post asking why you thought my vote odd compared to others...........again.

Why do I strike you odd.

Also, TWE, what was odd/weird about my vote on Kalor compared to others?
Especially since I probably had the most legit reason to vote for him.

Also, back to Crimson and scum maybe reading I had a power. One pov is they could've read I had a power but also didn't want more people believing any of my arguments from ystrday (which wouldve happened when I flipped town) especially after I made this post.

I was prepared for Round 2 today(the reason I chose squidy). But it seems CB is more occupied with painting a narrative of how he was on the chopping block ystrday, so that's why he wasn't targeted. And Squidy has mostly just been reacting to my reveal/blackmail stuff. Seems most of ystrday had been swept under the rug like it didn't happen until my reveal.

 

[Sorian]

CrimsonFist's vote on TheGoddamn needs a strikethrough, no? Human mistake or is there some more voting shenanigans going on?

Human error, it was correct on the spreadsheet, I just must not have typed in the strike tags correctly.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Clock is ticking, people. I'm going to cast my vote in about an hour and a half and once I do anyone who hasn't placed a vote is going to be in a very bad position indeed.

 

[CornBurrito]

Ok so, I'm fairly convinced Ezekiel is town. Which means that yesterday can be looked at in a different light. There were votes split between two townies basically, which means scum could easily have hidden in either pile.

The one thing I would like to point out for now is this post:

Vote: CornBurrito


Barring anything major happening today, one pending conflict is CB vs Zeke, and his general aggressiveness (and the inexplicable alluding to burgers-- eat your burgers, Apollo? Or a blatant breadcrumbing of Maya) is a bit too much for me. Of the two, I'm leaning towards Zeke being town [and Zeke claiming also supports that. Let's see the tally.]

I posted Hamburger jokes yesterday (irl yesterday), and Goddamn muses it may be breadcrumbing Maya. Yet that doesn't stop him from placing a vote on me.

Now that strikes me potentially as him trying to fish out a PR claim.

It is also interesting how he frames the CB vs Zeke conflict on D1 as one of us HAVING to be scum. He leans on Zeke being town (I think Zeke is town now), and then concludes I must be scum because I was trying to lynch Zeke yesterday. That isn't really the best logic and it doens't mesh cleanly with the "hmm is this dude Maya?" thought.

 

[CornBurrito]

Hmm... I'm really at a loss. I was so sure Zeke was scum but town is seeming more likely.

And I can't really draw much info from yesterday.

I think my vote will be on either squidy or WorthyEdge.

Vote: squidyj

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Of the 1-2 punch of CB/SJ, I felt Squidy was more threatening, since he is more trusted/influential of the two. Vote started pilin on for me after me and Squidy went back and forth.



Yes I do.

TWE, it seems you missed my post asking why you thought my vote odd compared to others...........again.



Also, back to Crimson and scum maybe reading I had a power. One pov is they could've read I had a power but also didn't want more people believing any of my arguments from ystrday (which wouldve happened when I flipped town) especially after I made this post.

I was prepared for Round 2 today(the reason I chose squidy). But it seems CB is more occupied with painting a narrative of how he was on the chopping block ystrday, so that's why he wasn't targeted. And Squidy has mostly just been reacting to my reveal/blackmail stuff. Seems most of ystrday had been swept under the rug like it didn't happen until my reveal.

Wait, when did I say your vote for Kalor was odd?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Wait, when did I say your vote for Kalor was odd?

I feel like in this list, at least one of them is scum. But no one on that list strikes me off besides Zeke. Squidy's is a little odd, but nothing too crazy.

"off",but still.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Ok so, I'm fairly convinced Ezekiel is town. Which means that yesterday can be looked at in a different light. There were votes split between two townies basically, which means scum could easily have hidden in either pile.

The one thing I would like to point out for now is this post:



I posted Hamburger jokes yesterday (irl yesterday), and Goddamn muses it may be breadcrumbing Maya. Yet that doesn't stop him from placing a vote on me.

Now that strikes me potentially as him trying to fish out a PR claim.

It is also interesting how he frames the CB vs Zeke conflict on D1 as one of us HAVING to be scum. He leans on Zeke being town (I think Zeke is town now), and then concludes I must be scum because I was trying to lynch Zeke yesterday. That isn't really the best logic and it doens't mesh cleanly with the "hmm is this dude Maya?" thought.

This is actually a really great point. Why did GD still vote for you if he thought you were Maya?

 

[CrimsonFist]

"off",but still.

Good point actually. Looking at that list, I'd say that I have null reads on Bowlie, Ri'Orius and Hipster Cuthulu, so why is your vote the one that's singled out?

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

"off",but still.

I wasn't pertaining to your vote but you in general. It was simply part of my whole "Zeke could be the neutral Killer!" But I'm pretty certain that you are town now, so thats good.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I wasn't looking @ the reasoning behind the vote, I was looking at the people who voted for Kalor and saying what I thought about the two.

Looking @ it now, knowing that Zeke is town, squidy and Ri'Orius are what really stand out.

Ri'Orius feels like a bandwagon to me and those are the most interesting of votes.

 

[CrimsonFist]

Doge, if you wanted some suspicions, just ask, k?
Personally, I find Drago and RedFalco to be super suspicious, with StarSketch being a little less so.

Curious then, what's changed your opinion on Star from yesterday? Seeing as you town read her then, although admittedly early in the day.

And Drago just got subbed into the game, so again, why is he suspicious?

 

[Drago]

Clock is ticking, people. I'm going to cast my vote in about an hour and a half and once I do anyone who hasn't placed a vote is going to be in a very bad position indeed.

Why is it so important for people to vote before you do in order to be trusted?

 

[CrimsonFist]

Kind of want to move my vote to someone else, but there's a lot of people who I'm finding kind of scummy, but no one that really stands out as someone I'd want to lynch above anyone else.

I do find it interesting that Squidy called Roy out for focusing on a neutral yesterday, and suddenly Roy is the centre of neutral discussion today: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=195276440&postcount=332.

 

[CornBurrito]

Why is it so important for people to vote before you do in order to be trusted?

I think it is about minimizing "I'm just going along with Scrafty" but yeah... there's 3 days left in this day. I don't think not voting when there are still 3 days left is a scum sign.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Why is it so important for people to vote before you do in order to be trusted?

I think it is about minimizing "I'm just going along with Scrafty" but yeah... there's 3 days left in this day. I don't think not voting when there are still 3 days left is a scum sign.

Agree with this.

I do not understand Scraftys mentality here. Just because I don't vote for someone before she does doesn't mean I'm scum. That's ridiculous.

The people that don't vote at all on a day, those are the ones that shoot up to the top of my list.

 

[roytheone]

Doge, if you wanted some suspicions, just ask, k?
Personally, I find Drago and RedFalco to be super suspicious, with StarSketch being a little less so.

You coming out with 3 names with 0 reasoning why isn't really filling me with confidence here.

I think it is about minimizing "I'm just going along with Scrafty" but yeah... there's 3 days left in this day. I don't think not voting when there are still 3 days left is a scum sign.

Yeah, I kinda agree with this. I doubt anyone will just go "eh, I am following Scrafty, can't blame me for anything!" because that would be scummy as fuck.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

You coming out with 3 names with 0 reasoning why isn't really filling me with confidence here.

I called Xam out in it but Xam hasnt replied on why.

I want to know, because this doesn't make sense to throw out 3 names without any backup at all.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

But I'm pretty certain that you are town now, so thats good.

Your posts after my reveal sort of don't read that way.

Vote: EzekialRAGE

But no one on that list strikes me off besides Zeke.

After Reveal

I don't like this. Mask de Masque part of town? And he "steals" votes? Not very...town to me.

Jeez. That sure is something.

I don't know if I buy it or not...

I just wonder if Zeke's role is Neutral or Town. Idk if I believe that it's town!

What exactly made you go not believe I'm town after my reveal, to now believing me?
My only real post since ur last post on not trusting my alignment is me questioning your reasoning for saying my vote was odd.

About Scrafty's ultimatum - At the very least it kind of forces ppl to get their justified votes in, so in a way it forces reads. I honestly have no problem with it.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Your posts after my reveal sort of don't read that way.




After Reveal






What exactly made you go not believe I'm town after my reveal, to now believing me?
My only real post since ur last post on not trusting my alignment is me questioning your reasoning for saying my vote was odd.

About Scrafty's ultimatum - At the very least it kind of forces ppl to get their justified votes in, so in a way it forces reads. I honestly have no problem with it.

I've thought about it, and Im still not 100% but I'm going to call you a town for now. People can change their minds.

Also, how is forcing people to vote a good thing? It creates artificial votes. We want genuine votes.

 

[RedFalco]

Doge, if you wanted some suspicions, just ask, k?
Personally, I find Drago and RedFalco to be super suspicious, with StarSketch being a little less so.

Suspicious over me based off of what? My low post count or something else?

Clock is ticking, people. I'm going to cast my vote in about an hour and a half and once I do anyone who hasn't placed a vote is going to be in a very bad position indeed.

I had forgotten about this.
vote: Drago
QuantumBro seemed very suspicious with wanting to bandwagon with Scrafty.
PLus now Drago votes for me, seemingly to get me to speak up, can seem non malicious since it's one of the first votes but could also he a scum tactic.

 

[Xamtheking]

Alright guys
Reasoning inbound


Drago - This is mostly because he carries the sins of his father, QuantumBro. I've taken this into account, however, which is why I haven't voted him.

RedFalco - Low post count, mostly. We must stay vigilant. The vote was more of a prod TBH.

StarSketch - I personally felt a little meh towards her with her "slip-up" or whatever but it's not a super big bad feeling.


Also, where the hell is Hipster?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Also, how is forcing people to vote a good thing? It creates artificial votes. We want genuine votes.

Idk, reads? Since if your going to vote for them, you at least got to have some reason.

Which brings me to,

I think my vote will be on either squidy or WorthyEdge.

Vote: squidyj

Any reason for the vote on Squidy? And potential reasoning for TWE?

 

[CrimsonFist]

Alright guys
Reasoning inbound


Drago - This is mostly because he carries the sins of his father, QuantumBro. I've taken this into account, however, which is why I haven't voted him.

RedFalco - Low post count, mostly. We must stay vigilant. The vote was more of a prod TBH.

StarSketch - I personally felt a little meh towards her with her "slip-up" or whatever but it's not a super big bad feeling.


Also, where the hell is Hipster?

Not really "super suspicious" then

 

[RedFalco]

RedFalco - Low post count, mostly. We must stay vigilant. The vote was more of a prod

Also, where the hell is Hipster?

Yup, I mainly took your vote as a prod. Also Drago's in a way since it reads pretty harmless.
But with knowing he's QB's replacement(whom I casted suspicion above) at the same time that could be what he wants to make it seem. So that if I were to be lynched, his early vote just comes off as, "I just wanted him to talk".

 

[Xamtheking]

Not really "super suspicious" then

I concede the point to you.
Unvote
RedFalco has indeed posted, so I'll take the vote off.

 

[roytheone]

But with knowing he's QB's replacement(whom I casted suspicion above) at the same time that could be what he wants to make it seem. So that if I were to be lynched, his early vote just comes off as, "I just wanted him to talk".

If I had to sub in for a scum that already got suspicion on him for a very specific thing, I sure as hell will start to behave exactly opposite of that. You would even avoid the normal "why do you suddenly behave so different!" since, well, you are actually a different person

 

[EzekelRAGE]

So A lot of us agree that those who died were weird targets and that CB,CF and Squidy would have been better targets, yet they're still here....

Clearly, CB, CF and Squidy are scum!

I am 60% not serious with this

Most likely nothing, just going over the stuff. Both me and CB mentioned Roy would a top target ystrday. Me and CB were really the only ones stating who would've been the better targets. Star didn't mention him, again this is probably nothing since that was mostly a joke post it seems.

 

[Xamtheking]

If I had to sub in for a scum that already got suspicion on him for a very specific thing, I sure as hell will start to behave exactly opposite of that. You would even avoid the normal "why do you suddenly behave so different!" since, well, you are actually a different person

I echo Doge's thoughts on this one. Replacements can muddy up the waters but the crocodile is still going to be the same.
Additionally, I'd like our friend Hipster to come out of the woodwork for a bit, so:
Vote: Hipster Cthulu
This is a prod, but might stay on him even after he posts depending on what I see from him.

 

[CornBurrito]

Idk, reads? Since if your going to vote for them, you at least got to have some reason.

Which brings me to,

Any reason for the vote on Squidy? And potential reasoning for TWE?

Squidy went along with me yesterday on voting for you. Granted I do think my case against you on D1 was solid. But I still need to look at people who rode my coattails so to speak.

As for TWE, I at some point said that I couldn't imagine both of you being scum, but could see one of you being scum. Well... I don't think you are scum.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Squidy went along with me yesterday on voting for you. Granted I do think my case against you on D1 was solid. But I still need to look at people who rode my coattails so to speak.

As for TWE, I at some point said that I couldn't imagine both of you being scum, but could see one of you being scum. Well... I don't think you are scum.

That still doesn't explain why you think I'm scum.

 

[Drago]

I had forgotten about this.
vote: Drago
QuantumBro seemed very suspicious with wanting to bandwagon with Scrafty.
PLus now Drago votes for me, seemingly to get me to speak up, can seem non malicious since it's one of the first votes but could also he a scum tactic.

Yah, I did indeed vote for you to get you to speak up. You did, and now I can trust you more than I had.

UNVOTE: RedFalco

As far as QuantumBro's actions went, I don't think they should be so much of a sticking point. He made one early, baseless post that could and did draw suspicion, but he never came back to expand upon or explain why he did what he did, and promptly dropped out. He made one post at the beginning of the day and disappeared. What he did was suspicious indeed, but he did so little in the big picture that I don't think it has to be an end all be all.