The blackmail changes someone's alignment check? is that how you got alignment cop? but then why notify the blackmailed player? seems kind of weak doesn't it?
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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
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The blackmail changes someone's alignment check? is that how you got alignment cop? but then why notify the blackmailed player? seems kind of weak doesn't it?
CrimsonFist
Member
The Kalor bandwaggon then:
CrimsonFist - Me
roytheone - Had previously voiced suspicion on him, and voted.
Xamtheking
Bowlie
ScraftyDevil - Confirmed town
EzekelRAGE
Xamtheking
Starsketch
Ri'Orius
Hipster Cthulhu - Had previouly voted on him prior to the bandwaggon
Squidyj - but only unvoted because I asked for nobody to hammer
CrimsonFist - Me
roytheone - Had previously voiced suspicion on him, and voted.
Bowlie
ScraftyDevil - Confirmed town
EzekelRAGE
Starsketch
Ri'Orius
Hipster Cthulhu - Had previouly voted on him prior to the bandwaggon
CornBurrito
Member
I read blackmailer as forger. That's how it works in salem.
CrimsonFist
Member
Kind of curious as to what the blackmail has to do with investigative roles at all.
That's a bit farfetched tbh. Unless we have indications of the contrary, for now I will go with the most likely scenario: it's a role.
I think you are confusing blackmailed with framed. In Salem, being blackmailed prevents you from posting during the day. Not here obviously, since that would be the worst role in the history of Gafia.
CrimsonFist
Member
A role that changes their will? But we don't even have a will mechanic.
CornBurrito
Member
Framer.
Xamtheking
Member
RNH was totally breadcrumbing PW, damnit
Well, from what I've seen some of you talking he plays like that, but it was weird to me as someone who doesn't know his playstyle. Still would like to hear from him.
I looked back on Barry's posts and he only fretted against WorthyEdge about those first votes and pointed out this post from Stanley. I already doubted him, but I don't think it's enough of a reason to be targeted... maybe that's the point? Both seemed town, so I can understand why one of them would be killed during the night but not the two of them, as they weren't active as well.
As for my vote yesterday I explained that he sounded like the most disturbing for me, and I turned out to be wrong.
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^ Nice catch, roy.
Xamtheking
Member
Reads in a bit
could you quote a few examples? maybe that's why he got killed?
CrimsonFist
Member
IDK, could anyone have come to the conclusion that he was PW from that? Considering the flavour of the game it doesn't really stand out too much.
Xamtheking
Member
It was a thought in the back of my mind
CrimsonFist
Member
CrimsonFist
Member
I'd like to know who else read it as potential bread-crumbing at the time.
CrimsonFist
Member
If you were blackmailed, I would assume that you received some demands alongside it, or that at least a threat was made. But it definitely sounds negative.
Alternatively, since it was a calling card from DeKiller, could it be marking you for a kill?
I did not receive any demands. The pm literally only said I was blackmailed with a link to an image of the calling card.
Marking for a kill pyromaniac style is possible, but if we already have two killers, also having a pyromaniac would be very dangerous game design.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Im wierded out by that sudden bandwaggon on Kalor, he didnt exactly make it hard to vote for him, but it still felt very out of nowhere.
A question for the more experience Mafia players, is there much of a precedent for Double scum kills in previous games?
"and even if we spared you, i really doubt that your presence in the following days will be anything other than a distraction to the many here that dont trust you (myself included)."
Kinda wierd to bring it up that late in the day without making much of a real point, but i guess he was going to build on it today.
Anyway, I think he misinterpreted this as me saying that you should be lynched as punishment or something? i meant that i was sure you were scum, many people did, and if you were still here for Day 2 then it would distract from hunting for other scum members.
Its all kinda pointless now though, after my vote your defense improved significantly, making a whole lot of very good points, so now feel very differently about it, and it looks like im not the only one with this change of heart. I still think you might be scum, but not nearly enough to call for a lynch just yet.
A question for the more experience Mafia players, is there much of a precedent for Double scum kills in previous games?
Yes he did:
Refering to me saying this when voting for you:
"and even if we spared you, i really doubt that your presence in the following days will be anything other than a distraction to the many here that dont trust you (myself included)."
Kinda wierd to bring it up that late in the day without making much of a real point, but i guess he was going to build on it today.
Anyway, I think he misinterpreted this as me saying that you should be lynched as punishment or something? i meant that i was sure you were scum, many people did, and if you were still here for Day 2 then it would distract from hunting for other scum members.
Its all kinda pointless now though, after my vote your defense improved significantly, making a whole lot of very good points, so now feel very differently about it, and it looks like im not the only one with this change of heart. I still think you might be scum, but not nearly enough to call for a lynch just yet.
we had 2 kills in the night and then we have a 3rd killer on our hands? like some kind of arsonist or something? seems unlikely to me.
CrimsonFist
Member
In my experience, only when it's tied to a role like Wolf Cub, where the Cub dying gives scum an extra kill the next night.
TheGoddamn
Member
RIP RNH and Barrylocke, and welcome, Drago (even though you find me suspicious)!
Sorry for my D1 inactivity. I'm typically a low-activity player, but yeah, that was beyond the norm. Real-life took over, from Valentine's Day to our anniversary and a significant family agent, and I didn't have time to read, much less post. I was able to catch up during the night, though. Here's something I wrote prior to D2 start; day starts for me at 6am on a Sunday so I was asleep when we found out we lost two towns. Comments in square brackets have been made post-D2 dawn.
True. [My sole interaction in the game : ( Barrylocke was pretty insightful, so that could have led to his death. But I'm inclined to believe that unless scum have the insane power to kill twice in one night, RNH was the night kill target. This was a very risky telegraph.]
As mentioned by others, I was a little thrown off by this interaction between StanleyPalmtree and CornBurrito:
Granted, I've never played with either of you before, but to nitpick on such a little thing-- and especially the word "hell"-- seemed like an overreaction. I mean, I know that we barely have anything to go on on D1, but man. I'd like to know what raised your hackles so quickly, CornBurrito. Your analysis of that post was WIFOM to the next level.
Squidy also replied to it.
Incidentally, is there something about StanleyPalmtree that I'm missing? As well as Xam? Are they like Crab?
I'm also wary about leaning so heavily on the AA flavor as a whole. Sorian did say that this game disregards canon deaths. That said, I'd wager that we do have an (Miles) Edgeworth, a Phoenix, and a Gumshoe, given what Sorian's said in the flavor text so far. But who knows if they're actually power roles-- Gregory Edgeworth and Pearl have no special skills whatsoever, apart from Pearl's being outed so early. [D: Nick and Edgeworth. This further lends credence to roles named in the flavor, but that's likely accurate for names only, and not necessarily alignment/powers.]
Now that Kalor's been lynched, let's take a look at where this came from, and who had most to gain from that happening.
After Hipster's revenge vote on Kalor ([which I'm disregarding because he's new), the first person who drew significant attention to Kalor was roytheone, in his reads post here.
However, I do also agree with roy about CornBurrito, though, having noticed it myself in my reread. From his seeming-like-filler role speculation to his Barrylocke vote, and especially the overreaction to StanleyPalmtree's opening post. Trying to make something out of nothing. Granted, it could be another Barrylocke vote situation where CB is trying to gauge reactions (which I've evidently fallen for), but again, it rubbed me the wrong way.
This may have colored my perception of the exchange between Zeke and CB-- Zeke didn't seem that defensive to me. I'm not sure which is bias and which is an accurate read, because I've played with Zeke before. (Sorry for bringing a previous game into this) He was Archer, but was seen to act suspicious then too.
Obviously, this is all a (late) read of D1, so it's mostly gut feelings and reactions to interactions. I'll happily eat my words should it turn out that CB was town all along. [Although yeah, with RNH being the sole vote on CB yesterday, if CB were scum, that would have been a stupid play. But with CB's WIFOM style, it could be a possibility.]
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When I caught up, yep. It seemed tonally contradictory to me (especially with the use of the AA3 sprite of all things), and drew unnecessary attention.
As for the blackmailing, and this is highly flavor-dependent, Shelly de Killer only leaves a card after he's committed a murder (so that his clients don't get suspected for the death). I wouldn't think it was a portent, but a signature. We had poison in HP. Could it be that? Or is de Killer taking responsibility for one of last night's deaths, and has to leave a card with one of the players (perhaps randomly)?
Sorry for my D1 inactivity. I'm typically a low-activity player, but yeah, that was beyond the norm. Real-life took over, from Valentine's Day to our anniversary and a significant family agent, and I didn't have time to read, much less post. I was able to catch up during the night, though. Here's something I wrote prior to D2 start; day starts for me at 6am on a Sunday so I was asleep when we found out we lost two towns. Comments in square brackets have been made post-D2 dawn.
True. [My sole interaction in the game : ( Barrylocke was pretty insightful, so that could have led to his death. But I'm inclined to believe that unless scum have the insane power to kill twice in one night, RNH was the night kill target. This was a very risky telegraph.]
As mentioned by others, I was a little thrown off by this interaction between StanleyPalmtree and CornBurrito:
Granted, I've never played with either of you before, but to nitpick on such a little thing-- and especially the word "hell"-- seemed like an overreaction. I mean, I know that we barely have anything to go on on D1, but man. I'd like to know what raised your hackles so quickly, CornBurrito. Your analysis of that post was WIFOM to the next level.
Squidy also replied to it.
Incidentally, is there something about StanleyPalmtree that I'm missing? As well as Xam? Are they like Crab?
I'm also wary about leaning so heavily on the AA flavor as a whole. Sorian did say that this game disregards canon deaths. That said, I'd wager that we do have an (Miles) Edgeworth, a Phoenix, and a Gumshoe, given what Sorian's said in the flavor text so far. But who knows if they're actually power roles-- Gregory Edgeworth and Pearl have no special skills whatsoever, apart from Pearl's being outed so early. [D: Nick and Edgeworth. This further lends credence to roles named in the flavor, but that's likely accurate for names only, and not necessarily alignment/powers.]
Now that Kalor's been lynched, let's take a look at where this came from, and who had most to gain from that happening.
After Hipster's revenge vote on Kalor ([which I'm disregarding because he's new), the first person who drew significant attention to Kalor was roytheone, in his reads post here.
However, I do also agree with roy about CornBurrito, though, having noticed it myself in my reread. From his seeming-like-filler role speculation to his Barrylocke vote, and especially the overreaction to StanleyPalmtree's opening post. Trying to make something out of nothing. Granted, it could be another Barrylocke vote situation where CB is trying to gauge reactions (which I've evidently fallen for), but again, it rubbed me the wrong way.
This may have colored my perception of the exchange between Zeke and CB-- Zeke didn't seem that defensive to me. I'm not sure which is bias and which is an accurate read, because I've played with Zeke before. (Sorry for bringing a previous game into this) He was Archer, but was seen to act suspicious then too.
Obviously, this is all a (late) read of D1, so it's mostly gut feelings and reactions to interactions. I'll happily eat my words should it turn out that CB was town all along. [Although yeah, with RNH being the sole vote on CB yesterday, if CB were scum, that would have been a stupid play. But with CB's WIFOM style, it could be a possibility.]
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When I caught up, yep. It seemed tonally contradictory to me (especially with the use of the AA3 sprite of all things), and drew unnecessary attention.
As for the blackmailing, and this is highly flavor-dependent, Shelly de Killer only leaves a card after he's committed a murder (so that his clients don't get suspected for the death). I wouldn't think it was a portent, but a signature. We had poison in HP. Could it be that? Or is de Killer taking responsibility for one of last night's deaths, and has to leave a card with one of the players (perhaps randomly)?
Xamtheking
Member
Glorious Post Incoming
Some thinkings I have about the night
1. Roles probably have powers that associate with names in some way; even though Edgeworth wasn't a PR, he was Town-aligned, which makes sense.
2. Tomorrow, I'm hoping to ask Roy a bit more about the blackmailing to see if I can make some sense of it. People have been talking about alignment cops, and I'm definitely echoing CornB here earlier, but the blackmail might have to do with alignments or whatnot.
On Kalor:
He was acting a lot like Zipped from Woof2. Go read up if you don't know, I'm tired and lazy. The long and short of it is that Zipped and Kalor both did some things that backed them up into a position where they were both Town but they said some pretty consequential things that needed to be tested by the hangman's noose. That's why I was very yo-yo on him, especially near the end of the day. Why did QB have to drop out.
One Last Joke:
Sorian, is whoever killed RNH in a private chat by themselves?
Some thinkings I have about the night
1. Roles probably have powers that associate with names in some way; even though Edgeworth wasn't a PR, he was Town-aligned, which makes sense.
2. Tomorrow, I'm hoping to ask Roy a bit more about the blackmailing to see if I can make some sense of it. People have been talking about alignment cops, and I'm definitely echoing CornB here earlier, but the blackmail might have to do with alignments or whatnot.
On Kalor:
He was acting a lot like Zipped from Woof2. Go read up if you don't know, I'm tired and lazy. The long and short of it is that Zipped and Kalor both did some things that backed them up into a position where they were both Town but they said some pretty consequential things that needed to be tested by the hangman's noose. That's why I was very yo-yo on him, especially near the end of the day. Why did QB have to drop out.
One Last Joke:
Sorian, is whoever killed RNH in a private chat by themselves?
Xamtheking
Member
TheGoddamn
Member
I'm going to hope that this item-giving was a town-motivated action, especially with the scum or neutral calling card in play, and that it was given to you because you can be trusted. Also, even with your new suspicions, I think you should continue with your D1 voting practice. Keep things close to the chest. Mustn't give scum a chance to obfuscate further.
CrimsonFist
Member
I don't think there's really any benefit to Scrafty being inactive.The benefits of a confirmed townie are that we have someone we can trust isn't trying to mislead us. I don't why we should squander that for fear of people bandwaggoning on her, which we can call out if it happens anyway.
CornBurrito
Member
Mmm had Korean bbq and lots of sake.
Umm so I don't have much opinion on the kalor voters which scares me
Umm so I don't have much opinion on the kalor voters which scares me
TheWorthyEdge
Member
I feel like in this list, at least one of them is scum. But no one on that list strikes me off besides Zeke. Squidy's is a little odd, but nothing too crazy.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
How were the burgers?
In any case, Roy is correct in assuming I noticed something else from yesterday during the night. I will say this, however: I will be voting no later than 14 hours from now, and anyone who has not cast a vote by that time shall rocket to the top of my least-trusted list. This is my ultimatum, and I shall not waver. Crimson's right; I do have a duty to uphold as the only one confirmed to be on the side of justice.
CornBurrito
Member
My bets would be Riorious or Bowlie.
Xamtheking
Member
Get your ass in here, Cowboy
VOTE: RedFalco
VOTE: RedFalco
CornBurrito
Member
I decided not to have burgers. Felt like I had them last night and didn't want them again. Have one for me instead
CrimsonFist
Member
Is this thing you noticed the same thing that I was alluding to when I quoted you a few pages back? Or do you have no idea what I'm talking about?
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I believe it is, yes. I'm afraid to bring it up first in fear of villains following my lead, but we may very well be on the cusp of a breakthrough of sorts.
Xamtheking
Member
Also.
I don't want to accuse Roy of anything, but we should be cautious about what people say. Anyone who was in HP knows that Crab had the entirety of Town eating out of the palm of his hand by the end of it, because he set up a nice, but ultimately fake, breadcrumbing across his earlier posts and Town fell for it hook, line, and sinker. What this all comes down to is this:
Information We Know To Be True
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Kalor, an Ordinary Town Member, was lynched D1
Barrylocke, an Ordinary Town Member, and RNH, a Town Jack-Of-All-Trades, ended up dead N1
ScraftyDevil is an Ordinary Town Member, and received some sort of item on N1
Information We Can't Fully Verify Right Now
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Roytheone was blackmailed N1 and received a calling card
Again, not trying to point fingers (Roy, you smell) but just stating the facts.
I don't want to accuse Roy of anything, but we should be cautious about what people say. Anyone who was in HP knows that Crab had the entirety of Town eating out of the palm of his hand by the end of it, because he set up a nice, but ultimately fake, breadcrumbing across his earlier posts and Town fell for it hook, line, and sinker. What this all comes down to is this:
Information We Know To Be True
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Kalor, an Ordinary Town Member, was lynched D1
Barrylocke, an Ordinary Town Member, and RNH, a Town Jack-Of-All-Trades, ended up dead N1
ScraftyDevil is an Ordinary Town Member, and received some sort of item on N1
Information We Can't Fully Verify Right Now
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Roytheone was blackmailed N1 and received a calling card
Again, not trying to point fingers (Roy, you smell) but just stating the facts.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Why do I strike you odd?
I will go ahead and get my vote out.
Vote: CornBurrito
I still feel he would offer the most information at this moment, with nothing else coming up.
Sidenote: So uh, I figure I might as well get this out the way now. Since the Scrafty ultimatum and Squidy could randomly vote. When Sorian posts the updated vote count, it would just raise a lot of questions/waste time. With all that said, I steal a vote from a player and have a double vote the following day. I'm Ron Delite, Mask☆DeMasque.
I sort of hinted at having a power ystrday when I brought up how Kalor couldve ended up outing a town power role when he was bluffing.
I have to choose someone each night. So I chose one of my accusers from yesterday.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Also, when Sorian does a vote count, my power can be verified.
Xamtheking
Member
If you have the power you speak of, and you used it last night, why aren't you using a double vote today? Do you have a double vote today?
EzekelRAGE
Member
On why not try to hide it - Simply, it wouldve caused more drama than it was worth. To hide it I wouldve had to hope:
1. Squidy would place a vote for the person I was voting for - Not Likely
2. Hope squidy wouldn't vote til the end of the day. - Not Likely
3. Hope everyone thinks Sorian made a mistake on the count - Causes confusion and wastes town's time
4. Would have to shadow every Squidy vote - I would have to come clean or lie, the latter or which doesn't help town.
1. Squidy would place a vote for the person I was voting for - Not Likely
2. Hope squidy wouldn't vote til the end of the day. - Not Likely
3. Hope everyone thinks Sorian made a mistake on the count - Causes confusion and wastes town's time
4. Would have to shadow every Squidy vote - I would have to come clean or lie, the latter or which doesn't help town.
Xamtheking
Member
Also, RAGE, even if you have a confirmed Double Vote power doesn't immediately make you town, Wolf 2 had a Scum Double Voter
EzekelRAGE
Member
I just vote regular and it counts double. I have no special commands to type while voting.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I know, just figured might as well save some time.
in other words, you're sayin you're town then? or are you not?
CornBurrito
Member
Masque De Masque....... Would that even be scum role? I can't imagine it. But stealing votes seems not so town. Idk. Willing to give Eze a chance.
Xamtheking
Member
Alright, that clears things up for me.
Thanks dawg.