EzekelRAGE
Member
I think he is agreeing with me. He means why was he tracked by a supposed town tracker/watcher.
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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
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Xamtheking
Member
Also, guys, I have a theory.
I don't even think TG, if he is a scum watcher/tracker, even visited me N2 and is just using that as part of his narrative to make him fit in with the town more.
I don't even think TG, if he is a scum watcher/tracker, even visited me N2 and is just using that as part of his narrative to make him fit in with the town more.
flatearthpandas
Member
Stanley imo for reasons above.
If Goddamn flips town, we learn nothing because his tracking results tell us nothing that we hadn't already heard. Confirms Xam's passive block and that you tried to give Roy an item (or killed him)
If Goddamn flips scum, yay.
I think he will flip scum personally but if he doesn't then we don't gain much. Stanley is valuable either way he flips and TheGoddam will probably still be around to lynch the next day.
flatearthpandas
Member
I don't think you were super trustworthy tbh.
If I was a town tracker I would have tracked you too.
The only thing TheGoddamn claims to have done that doesn't sit right is watched you D1. Fair play if he really thought you were super town in danger from scum.... but he was openly accusing you of being scum and claims to have noticed RNH's breadcrumb....
EzekelRAGE
Member
I can see TG/SP/Zubz being the remaining scum. If there are only 3 left. I also agree that SP would give us the most information based on lynching.
Xamtheking
Member
Take note though
At the end of Day 3, we had lynched a Scum-aligned Item-Giving role
So there are only 3 reasons TG would have tracked CB on N3:
1. TG thought there was another Scum-aligned Item-Giving role
2. He thought CB was a neutral item giver who also kills (dumb, because there was no reason for him to visit Scrafty for any reason if that was the case, because even if he wasn't going to kill her, he could have made himself a target by town or scum who would be watching Scrafty that night.)
3. TG is a scummy scum who scums the scum
EzekelRAGE
Member
CB/Me and a few others got into a back and forth about how good or bad cb wouldve been as a mafia target at night. CB believed he was going to be a lynch candidate, others didnt. But TG's reason for watching him were because he was a possible town.TheGoddamn said:
Wouldn't it make sense to watch SD, the confirmed town to see if anyone was going to try and kill her?
flatearthpandas
Member
1. Would be surprised if anyone thinks this, agreed.
2. This one is not unreasonable. Give an item to confirmed town and breadcrumb the shit out of it (it's amusing watching this go down when you know what's happening). Get big time townie points, claim a role potentially incredibly beneficial to scum. Do whatever it is you need to do as a neutral, whether it's just give out items or kill (admittedly unlikely). Confirming he is doing what he says with that risky of a role is not a total waste imo.
3. Lol.
Xamtheking
Member
It's not all peaches and cream for scum. Sure, CB could end up giving Scum an item, but CB is much more likely to give a Townie an item, by sheer probability alone.
flatearthpandas
Member
But everyone is possible town. And scum NKing town who people are already debating as possible scum seems unlikely. And watching that possible scum, when you are a proponent of the scumminess seems backwards.
As for SD... yeah. Confirmed D1 is a huge honey pot for power roles. It makes a ton of sense that Star would be a jailor, actually, if she actually blocked incoming investigations too. Otherwise the watchers just sit back and laugh. Of course this is the part of stars claim we seem to have more evidence of not being true than otherwise.
Xamtheking
Member
What's your basis for this?
flatearthpandas
Member
Agreed. Scum would definitely want to track him. I just think town would as well. Safer to at least confirm he's doing what he says than take a stab in the dark if you feel like you have no other leads.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Which is why I don't think he watched CB N1.
flatearthpandas
Member
CB giving her an item N1 when Star says she was jailing her.
I don't think we have any reports of actions toward Scrafty failing.
Xamtheking
Member
In fact there is 100% no reason to watch CB N1 as opposed to Scrafty N1, unless you thought that no other PRs would visit a CONFIRMED TOWN ON NIGHT 1.
flatearthpandas
Member
I don't either... this is why I voted for him yesterday.
So wait, why are we arguing about this then?
Xamtheking
Member
We talked about this earlier
Star (who is 100% town by this point, because Scum will not have 2 RBs and a neutral Jailer is absurd) said that apparently non-killing actions performed on the Jailed player DID go through.
Xamtheking
Member
You notice you're not voting for TG right now, correct?
flatearthpandas
Member
Ah, my bad. I just remember there being confusion. I was just entering the thread and was coming in under fire around this time.
flatearthpandas
Member
Yeah, because I also think Stanley is probably scum and given the chance either one could be town, the town will actually still benefit from a Stanley flip. If GD is town, we get nothing.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Idk, i guess you thought I was arguin tg did watch cb?
If we lynch mafia today and mislynch tomorrow or vice versa we go from
12
to 9
to 6 with a mafia and a neutral killer remaining. thats 'mylo'
if we lynch the neutral killer today, and mislynch tomorrow we go
12
10
8
if we miss the neutral killer today and get him/her tomorrow we go
12
9
7 5-2 scum even here we get an additional mislynch
of course all of these are with the assumption that there will be no overlap in kills, which hasn't happened yet so I'm somewhat doubtful that it will happen.
My point is that it is better for town to prioritize a neutral killer target. The question we have to ask is would our neutral killer have any other active abilities? We've at least partially verified a number of night actions, we know that zeke does in fact steal votes, and we know that starsketch at the very least roleblocks players. Then I would further argue that it is likely that our SK claimed vanilla town and our SK is not detection immune. I think the sk being detection immune would be perhaps too easy, it shouldn't be hard for them to assimilate into town since they don't really have a team.
That gives us a list of
Zubz
to which I would add
StanleyPalmtree.
The more I've thought about stanley's particular claim the more I worry about it. he's made the claim at such a point in time that if xam dies and he claims to get a red check we could very well lose the game because of it.
I don't really have anything specific to point to on zubz but I've never felt his presence to be overly contributive. I think zubz is the most likely sk.
Vote: Zubz
I will say about TheGoddamn, I find it strange that he hinted as much as he did. Personally I would be afraid that mafia would see what I was doing, maybe not so much with other characters but with missile it seems like there's a limited set of interpretations of that role and they all suggest that TheG would be a good kill target.
12
to 9
to 6 with a mafia and a neutral killer remaining. thats 'mylo'
if we lynch the neutral killer today, and mislynch tomorrow we go
12
10
8
if we miss the neutral killer today and get him/her tomorrow we go
12
9
7 5-2 scum even here we get an additional mislynch
of course all of these are with the assumption that there will be no overlap in kills, which hasn't happened yet so I'm somewhat doubtful that it will happen.
My point is that it is better for town to prioritize a neutral killer target. The question we have to ask is would our neutral killer have any other active abilities? We've at least partially verified a number of night actions, we know that zeke does in fact steal votes, and we know that starsketch at the very least roleblocks players. Then I would further argue that it is likely that our SK claimed vanilla town and our SK is not detection immune. I think the sk being detection immune would be perhaps too easy, it shouldn't be hard for them to assimilate into town since they don't really have a team.
That gives us a list of
Zubz
to which I would add
StanleyPalmtree.
The more I've thought about stanley's particular claim the more I worry about it. he's made the claim at such a point in time that if xam dies and he claims to get a red check we could very well lose the game because of it.
I don't really have anything specific to point to on zubz but I've never felt his presence to be overly contributive. I think zubz is the most likely sk.
Vote: Zubz
I will say about TheGoddamn, I find it strange that he hinted as much as he did. Personally I would be afraid that mafia would see what I was doing, maybe not so much with other characters but with missile it seems like there's a limited set of interpretations of that role and they all suggest that TheG would be a good kill target.
Current Vote Count:
squidyj (3)
ScraftyDevil
Xamtheking
RedFalco
CornBurrito
Xamtheking
TheGoddamn
Zubz (3)
EzekelRAGE
Matt Attack
Xamtheking
StanleyPalmtree
CornBurrito
squidyj
StanleyPalmtree (3)
CornBurrito
flatearthpandas
EzekelRAGE
Zubz
TheGoddamn (2)
flatearthpandas
CornBurrito
Xamtheking
EzekelRAGE (0)
EzekelRAGE
7 votes are needed for majority.
Day 4 ends in:
squidyj (3)
ScraftyDevil
RedFalco
TheGoddamn
Zubz (3)
Matt Attack
StanleyPalmtree
squidyj
StanleyPalmtree (3)
flatearthpandas
EzekelRAGE
Zubz
TheGoddamn (2)
CornBurrito
Xamtheking
EzekelRAGE (0)
7 votes are needed for majority.
Day 4 ends in:
EzekelRAGE
Member
Looks like star is the only one w/o a vote.
CornBurrito
Member
Ezekiel... squidy.... I can break the tie. Tell me who.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
VOTE: TheGoddamn
I still think squidy's shady, but he's too risky to lynch at this avenue considering how little we stand to gain if he's who he claims to be. TG's claimed power seems the least useful of today's lynch candidates and I agree with some of the points made by others regarding his strange comments. I'm very confident that there dwells at least one villain between him, squidy and Zubz.
I still think squidy's shady, but he's too risky to lynch at this avenue considering how little we stand to gain if he's who he claims to be. TG's claimed power seems the least useful of today's lynch candidates and I agree with some of the points made by others regarding his strange comments. I'm very confident that there dwells at least one villain between him, squidy and Zubz.
EzekelRAGE
Member
We learn the most from SP lynch. Star can block zubz or TG during the night.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Here's my concern about that: Xam is almost certainly going to die tonight. With the knowledge that he can't be protected in mind, there is simply no way he's surviving unless the villains try and cast doubt on him by letting him live. If we lynch Stanley and he's telling the truth, we've lost both of our investigators in one fell swoop. I'd rather leave both cops to occupy the remaining injust while we test someone else's claim and leave a Stan lynch on the table or for the second night killer.
EzekelRAGE
Member
We would still have to kill SP to prove he is cop. There is a chance he is lying about his claim.
flatearthpandas
Member
There's no way I'm trusting a read from Stanley. The most helpful thing he can do is die for the town and allow us to trust the cleared town more. And that's the worst case scenario from his lynch.
What I'd like to do is have Goddamn follow Zeke. If Zeke dies or TheGoddamn fails to tell us Zeke's target, lynched.
Star can do whatever she wants, maybe just block whoever she thinks might be the second killer.
Scum can fuck with this as they will, still seems pretty safe to me.
What I'd like to do is have Goddamn follow Zeke. If Zeke dies or TheGoddamn fails to tell us Zeke's target, lynched.
Star can do whatever she wants, maybe just block whoever she thinks might be the second killer.
Scum can fuck with this as they will, still seems pretty safe to me.
flatearthpandas
Member
Oh yeah, and if Scrafty happens to die we can lynch CB.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Thinking about it, TG could be a scum watcher, which would do nothing but confirm my power. Also if he is scum, which I believe he is, then he could just as easily lie and say a townie killed me.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Noooooooooooo. At this point I am 99% sure that CB is town thanks to everything he's done for me and the town, and if I die it'll be because I didn't use my BP correctly and not because of him.
flatearthpandas
Member
That's why i don't want him watching anyone. He also claims to be a tracker. I want him to tell us your target, which we can confirm even if you die. He could be scum with all of his claimed powers, but doesn't hurt to test anyway.
flatearthpandas
Member
Corn said he was lying about you needing to activate it. It's passive. If you die, it's because he is lying scum.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I think CB said it is automatically used.
CornBurrito
Member
Yes, I did. I lied about it needing activation.
Matt Attack
Member
If SP's claim is legitimate, we should definitely be extra prepared for the possibility of a godfather being among Xam's clears. We can't say for sure, but it seems like that would be a definite way to balance having both a cop and a backup cop.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
is there a huge rush to prove Xam or me?
we could just kill me later, if Xam dies tonight and i inherit his ability, keep me alive for a day or 2 so i can do investigating of my own, then kill me later to prove my checks are legitimate?
only this may not be viable with how much time left in the game.
EzekelRAGE
Member
You answered your own question, we don't have the time.
Matt Attack
Member
If your claim is legit, there is practically zero chance of you actually surviving long enough to get any checks in. Scum will probably get rid of you ASAP after killing Xam. Only way you live is if Star jails you, in which case you can't investigate.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
yeah figured as much.
Lengthening the game is good for town.
Prioritizing SK lengthens the game
I think Zubz is the SK.
The information gained by lynching SP is only useful if you believe xam could reasonably be scum cop.
I don't believe this
I don't know if this has been mentioned but we should be using the roleblock part of starsketch's ability over the protection IMO especially if it's impossible for her to protect xam
Prioritizing SK lengthens the game
I think Zubz is the SK.
The information gained by lynching SP is only useful if you believe xam could reasonably be scum cop.
I don't believe this
I don't know if this has been mentioned but we should be using the roleblock part of starsketch's ability over the protection IMO especially if it's impossible for her to protect xam
EzekelRAGE
Member
flatearthpandas
Member
We have more likely scum targets than we do serial killer. I don't think anyone would disagree it would be better for town to get rid of the serial killer but we have no confirmation on Xam and if we never get any we could just as easily have the serial killer sitting pretty in the cleared town list who have all also happened to claim vanilla town.
Xam doesn't have to be scum cop. He just needs to be scum. Clearing green checks is the easiest thing in the world to fake because no one is going to argue with you in a game where neutrals can't win with town.
Xam doesn't have to be scum cop. He just needs to be scum. Clearing green checks is the easiest thing in the world to fake because no one is going to argue with you in a game where neutrals can't win with town.
I made that claim to explain why I distrusted CB (Because I thought he was breadcrumbing Maya). As a Vanilla, I thought it'd be safe for me to role claim, seeing how my only power is voting. And I'm sorry if my vote for you seemed off; I wanted to have a reason to vote for someone, I forgot Xam cleared you, and I thought it'd be stupid to vote for Salva just because his predecessors were quiet and his opening post was weird. And my "defenses" of TWE were simply me thinking his posts were usual Edge behavior, until he had his Von Karma-tier breakdown, but even I can't deny it's weird he defended me. Again, I feel he may have saw me being friendly towards him (We were Combat Buddies in GAFia 2, after all), and figured it was a win-win for him.
I do apologize for not posting as much as I would like/contributing much substantial, but it's more being at my internship for nearly 10 hours a day (Which appear to be when the bulk of major contributions are made) than me having another role. As a Vanilla, all I can do is deduce, but unfortunately, I'm usually beaten to the punch.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
maybe i am remembering wrong, but the way Xam explained it made it sound like a neutral would show up red, it was 'town' or 'not town', so a neutral would show up 'not town' right?
flatearthpandas
Member
How does your PM explain it?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
it doesnt explain much, only that i investigate to check the alignment of a player, which could go either way.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
nope im a big fat lyer, double checked and it sates i will get a result of 'town' 'not-town' or 'no result'