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[Matt Attack]

I was waiting for the person I blocked to post before I say anything, but if they're our Vig, then they know already and I can't catch them out like I expected.

If you stopped a night kill, theres a decent chance that that player is scum. Otherwise why would Xam still be alive? I would have thought he'd be scum's top priority target.

 

[StarSketch]

our vig? we had a vig who died a long time ago. what are you even talking about.

The neutral vig, I meant. Or whoever is responsible for the second night kills.

If you stopped a night kill, theres a decent chance that that player is scum. Otherwise why would Xam still be alive? I would have thought he'd be scum's top priority target.

It's also possible that the person I blocked was a kill target. Of course, this means that they skipped over Xam (again), cause I didn't (and can't) block him.

 

[StarSketch]

Block/protect him, I mean. Ech.

 

[Matt Attack]

The neutral vig, I meant. Or whoever is responsible for the second night kills.



It's also possible that the person I blocked was a kill target. Of course, this means that they skipped over Xam (again), cause I didn't (and can't) block him.

Very true, I was so focused on the block I forgot you could protect!

 

[squidyj]

neutral vig? I think you mean "Serial Killer"

 

[StarSketch]

neutral vig? I think you mean "Serial Killer"

...yes.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Please, no one vote until we hear from TheGoddamn about Zeke's target.

One NK is a change of pace, might have an easy day today. Although, this occurred to me right after the last day ended, CB also had a one shot role block to pass out so we still need to be careful. If we had considered it yesterday I think we could have had a pretty solid night plan put together but so it goes.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Holy shit, I'm glad CB was NK'd. I would have been quite keen on seeing him lynched when we learned his items were all useless, like I had already accused him of.

 

[Xamtheking]

THEGODDAMN IS NOT TOWN
Vote: TheGoddamn

 

[flatearthpandas]

Are you fucking kidding. Don't vote yet.

 

[Matt Attack]

THEGODDAMN IS NOT TOWN
Vote: TheGoddamn

Oh snap.

Star, when do you think you'll be comfortable revealing who you jailed? Whether they're a killer or a kill target, I'd like to think about what their identity could mean.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Oh wait. I just woke up, sorry. But still. Mah stupid plan...

 

[Xamtheking]

I checked TG and got a red check. He's a scum watcher/tracker, methinks.

 

[Matt Attack]

I checked TG and got a red check. He's a scum watcher/tracker, methinks.

I wonder if his role lets him learn the names of actions. If both he and Zubz were to flip scum, it could explain how Zubz knew of my night action.

 

[Xamtheking]

I wonder if his role lets him learn the names of actions. If both he and Zubz were to flip scum, it could explain how Zubz knew of my night action.

Fair point
Also, my theory on the only 1 NK thing: I think one of our killing parties might have popped Scrafty's 1-shot bulletptoof

 

[Xamtheking]

Also, everyone please vote TG so we can wrap this day phase up with another scum dead. I am tired of deflecting bullshit, so be warned.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Fair point
Also, my theory on the only 1 NK thing: I think one of our killing parties might have popped Scrafty's 1-shot bulletptoof

Read CBs role again. All of his items were useless.

 

[Xamtheking]

Read CBs role again. All of his items were useless.

Then they hit whoever Star jailed

 

[flatearthpandas]

Then they hit whoever Star jailed

Or star jailed one of the kill commands.

 

[Xamtheking]

Read CBs role again. All of his items were useless.

Also, why haven't you voted for TheGoddamn yet?
Are you not town or something?
Do you straight up not trust me?
Are you a little bitch who's afraid of commitment?

Spoiler

Joking

 

[Xamtheking]

Sorian, I would like a vote count, please.
(No, I'm not stupid, I will use that as a springboard.)

 

[flatearthpandas]

I am curious to hear Star's target before votes go flying.

I am town as fuck.
I trust you 100% now.
Don't bring up bad memories, it's too early to start drinking.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Also want to see Zeke's daily post spread go up.

 

[Xamtheking]

I am curious to hear Star's target before votes go flying.

I am town as fuck.
I trust you 100% now.
Don't bring up bad memories, it's too early to start drinking.

Also want to see Zeke's daily post spread go up.

The minute
Nay, the second
NAY, THE MILLISECOND those two things happen I expect your vote to be on TG

 

[TheGoddamn]

Please, no one vote until we hear from TheGoddamn about Zeke's target.

One NK is a change of pace, might have an easy day today. Although, this occurred to me right after the last day ended, CB also had a one shot role block to pass out so we still need to be careful. If we had considered it yesterday I think we could have had a pretty solid night plan put together but so it goes.

CB's items had no powers (which you already acknowledged in a subsequent post).

That flavor text hit me right there, and written from Missile's point of view, too. RIP CB Gumshoe. Only one kill last night might mean that the serial killer has run out of juice, although they would be removed from the game if that was the case, and if that was their win condition.

Interestingly, my tracking Zeke failed last night. In the context of my powers, given Star's power (that is, if she targeted me), that tells town that, even if I am a watcher/tracker I'm 1) lying about being a watcher/tracker, or 2) that I'm scum. These possibilities hold even if Star confirms that she jailed me last night.

With my night action failing on N4, it's impossible to independently verify my powers. And even if there were, that doesn't prove that I'm town. That I could very well be a scum tracker/watcher is a good argument, which is further supported by Xam's check on me. The only explanation that seems possible (apart from my being scum) is a non-town switcher, given that I was second on the chopping block yesterday and my purported power.

On my power and balance, I was initially surprised when RNH flipped, but I figured that it was balanced out by both of our roles being a choice; a watch may not happen on any given night at all, even if we were both still alive. RNH also needed to use each of his powers before he could repeat one. RNH was a watcher only once every three days at the most frequent, and I'm a tracker half the time. This reasoning was further supported by Salva's flip, which is quite powerful (although seemingly balanced by Matt Attack).

If Xam checked me and Star jailed me, then that means that Star's powers only block killing actions, which corroborates Scrafty's getting a burger despite Star jailing her. After my reveal yesterday I may have also been the other NK target, but I (may have been/was) jailed by Star. I'm good with being put down today to get to the bottom of this should we not need a watcher/tracker moving forward.

Spoiler

I can join my best friend, wherever he is

 

[flatearthpandas]

The minute
Nay, the second
NAY, THE MILLISECOND those two things happen I expect your vote to be on TG

I was the first person to cry foul and throw a vote at him yesterday, just thought Stanley was a safer bet and don't really regret it. I had half convinced myself there might be no cop in the game so without that flip I wouldn't have felt very good about any red checks there may have been today.

 

[StarSketch]

Yeah, I targeted Goddamn, which in retrospect was a really dumb move. I was expecting his role to be false, and for him to try to fake a tracking action. But now I'm coming up with the various things this could mean now, instead of before I made the action. -sigh-

Analysis post in coming, I'm on mobile and I need to read the rest of TG's post.

 

[Xamtheking]

I was the first person to cry foul and throw a vote at him yesterday, just thought Stanley was a safer bet and don't really regret it. I had half convinced myself there might be no cop in the game so without that flip I wouldn't have felt very good about any red checks there may have been today.

Yeah, I targeted Goddamn, which in retrospect was a really dumb move. I was expecting his role to be false, and for him to try to fake a tracking action. But now I'm coming up with the various things this could mean now, instead of before I made the action. -sigh-

Analysis post in coming, I'm on mobile and I need to read the rest of TG's post.

FEP, vote TG immediately, please. Star jailed Goddamn and we only had 1 night kill. That means 100% Goddamn MUST be part of the killing team, either Scum or a Neutral, which collaborates my RED GODDAMN CHECK on the son-of-a-bitch, which leads to TheGoddamn being the best lynch target we have today by around 10000000 orders of magnitude.

StarSketch, I also expect you to vote for TheGoddamn, but I'll let you read first. I don't want you to get too tired, after all.

 

[StarSketch]

Alright.
Possible cases here:

• TG has tracker ability, and can either be scum or town
• TG does not have tracker ability, but is the SK, and therefore knows he got blocked last night because his kill action failed.
• TG has nothing, and we're both scum (not true but I'm sure someone is thinking it)

TG Definitely has some sort of ability that can be affected by me jailing him, because I was being vague about who I jailed on purpose- I was hoping he would attempt to make a follow claim that didn't exist.

 

[StarSketch]

Oh, right. There's also the possibility he was our kill target and I inadvertently saved him.

 

[Xamtheking]

Alright.
Possible cases here:

• TG has tracker ability, and can either be scum or town
• TG does not have tracker ability, but is the SK, and therefore knows he got blocked last night because his kill action failed.
• TG has nothing, and we're both scum (not true but I'm sure someone is thinking it)

TG Definitely has some sort of ability that can be affected by me jailing him, because I was being vague about who I jailed on purpose- I was hoping he would attempt to make a follow claim that didn't exist.

He's scum
Please vote for him if you trust me
There is no reason not to
Also, you guys might have noticed I have reversed stances on making people vote the way I do.
That was before YOU FUCKS KILLED MY SISTER.
EMA, YOUR DEATH WILL NOT BE IN VAIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNN

 

[StarSketch]

*the kill target

I need to slow my roll I swear

 

[Matt Attack]

Yeah, I targeted Goddamn, which in retrospect was a really dumb move. I was expecting his role to be false, and for him to try to fake a tracking action. But now I'm coming up with the various things this could mean now, instead of before I made the action. -sigh-

Analysis post in coming, I'm on mobile and I need to read the rest of TG's post.

The simple solution here is that you stopped his scum kill. I'd say it was a pretty good choice on your part if he flips scum. From my perspective, there is a huge issues with what happened last night if TGD is town: we had only one night kill, which wasn't Xam. In this scenario, TGD was targeted, which makes no sense for scum to do (same with if they targeted CB.) Xam is a clear and present threat to scum who cannot be protected. It's baffling that he's still alive. TGD's role claim was already under some level of suspicion, so scum had even less reason to get him out of the way versus a confirmed townie like Scrafty.

These issues disappear if TGD targeted Xam to kill and was role blocked.

VOTE: TheGoddamn

 

[Xamtheking]

The simple solution here is that you stopped his scum kill. I'd say it was a pretty good choice on your part if he flips scum. From my perspective, there is a huge issues with what happened last night if TGD is town: we had only one night kill, which wasn't Xam. In this scenario, TGD was targeted, which makes no sense for scum to do (same with if they targeted CB.) Xam is a clear and present threat to scum who cannot be protected. It's baffling that he's still alive. TGD's role claim was already under some level of suspicion, so scum had even less reason to get him out of the way versus a confirmed townie like Scrafty.

These issues disappear if TGD targeted Xam to kill and was role blocked.

VOTE: TheGoddamn

You
I like you a lot
I like your hyperlinks
And your avatar
And your role
Plz ship sorian and cabot for me kthxbai

 

[StarSketch]

Alright, this makes 3:

Vote: The Goddamn

That said, I'm pretty sure turboing this feels like a bad move, red check aside.

 

[Xamtheking]

Alright, this makes 3:

Vote: The Goddamn

That said, I'm pretty sure turboing this feels like a bad move, red check aside.

Turboing is bad if you don't have enough information
I have a shitload of evidence against TG now

 

[Matt Attack]

Alright, this makes 3:

Vote: The Goddamn

That said, I'm pretty sure turboing this feels like a bad move, red check aside.

Only 6 votes to hammer, let's avoid that. Everybody should have a chance to check in. I will unvote if it gets too close before that.

 

[Sorian]

Vote Count by request

TheGoddamn (3)
Xamtheking
Matt Attack
StarSketch

 

[Xamtheking]

Only 6 votes to hammer, let's avoid that. Everybody should have a chance to check in. I will unvote if it gets too close before that.

sometimes hammers are ok

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Don't think we should turbo this, should discuss things. Still two more scum we need to get. Maybe 1 more if Zubz flips scum.

 

[Xamtheking]

Don't think we should turbo this, should discuss things. Still two more scum we need to get. Maybe 1 more if Zubz flips scum.

Discussion is for weak townies and scum

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I can see a scenario where
Mafia TG carries out the hit, leaving his lonesome buddy. Makes sense, since the thought was that he wouldn't be blocked to allow TG to test his ability.

NK takes out CB.

 

[squidyj]

Anything you want to talk about in particular MattAttack?

 

[Xamtheking]

I can see a scenario where
Mafia TG carries out the hit, leaving his lonesome buddy. Makes sense, since the thought was that he wouldn't be blocked to allow TG to test his ability.

NK takes out CB.

I agree with that sentiment

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Turboing is bad if you don't have enough information
I have a shitload of evidence against TG now

Discussion is for weak townies and scum

Calm down man, Day just started, we know we have a confirmed red. We should take the time to discuss things. The day will still likely end early anyway. Should look at past interactions of TG and others.

 

[Xamtheking]

Calm down man, Day just started, we know we have a confirmed red. We should take the time to discuss things. The day will still likely end early anyway. Should look at past interactions of TG and others.

Fiiiiiiiiiiiine.

 

[Matt Attack]

Anything you want to talk about in particular MattAttack?

Not in particular, no. At this point I'm pretty eager to see TGD's flip so I can find out if it has anything to do with my suspicions against Zubz. Doesn't mean somebody else might not have anything to add though.

I can see a scenario where
Mafia TG carries out the hit, leaving his lonesome buddy. Makes sense, since the thought was that he wouldn't be blocked to allow TG to test his ability.

NK takes out CB.

In this scenario though, what would TGD have to say when asked about the ability test? If he carried out the hit, he shouldn't have the correct answer. Unless it's his teammate and not him with a watcher/tracker/etc ability.

 

[Xamtheking]

Spoilers for Ghost Trick below:

TG, I hope you're seeing the light at the end up the tunnel, because

Spoiler

I'm going to turn you into a motherfucking lamp

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Not in particular, no. At this point I'm pretty eager to see TGD's flip so I can find out if it has anything to do with my suspicions against Zubz. Doesn't mean somebody else might not have anything to add though.



In this scenario though, what would TGD have to say when asked about the ability test? If he carried out the hit, he shouldn't have the correct answer. Unless it's his teammate and not him with a watcher/tracker/etc ability.

In mafia games, I always assumed mafia with other abilities get to perform those on top of the possibilty of carrying out the mafia kill.

So TG would send an action to sorian for watch/track and then an action for kill.

 

[Matt Attack]

In mafia games, I always assumed mafia with other abilities get to perform those on top of the possibilty of carrying out the mafia kill.

So TG would send an action to sorian for watch/track and then an action for kill.

Oh, looking at Salva's PM, you're right. In that case your scenario sounds pretty reasonable.