StarSketch
Banned
I'm going to say "I missed that one" and no one will believe me.
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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
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I'm going to say "I missed that one" and no one will believe me.
...what ever happened to that substantial post you teased?
I think CornB's little 'gotcha' Barrylocke vote, if that's really what it is is a little weird, especially when he gives away the ending so early on, CornBurrito you really could have let that sit for a while and seen if it grew into something.
Otherwise though I'm reading him as town as he seems to be interested in hunting scum, there are a number of players that simply haven't had much to say, we have 3 players who are professing to be very new as I understand it, Bowlie, RedFalco and, Hipster Cthulhu. We've got a number of people I want to hear more from but today was valentines day so I'm going to try to avoid drawing any conclusions but going forward it's something I'm trying to be aware of.
I do think it's interesting that we haven't heard from roy at all since I voted on him, I was hoping to hear something in response.
Otherwise though I'm reading him as town as he seems to be interested in hunting scum, there are a number of players that simply haven't had much to say, we have 3 players who are professing to be very new as I understand it, Bowlie, RedFalco and, Hipster Cthulhu. We've got a number of people I want to hear more from but today was valentines day so I'm going to try to avoid drawing any conclusions but going forward it's something I'm trying to be aware of.
I do think it's interesting that we haven't heard from roy at all since I voted on him, I was hoping to hear something in response.
CornBurrito
Member
Eh I hate stretching out gambits. And it wasn't a very serious one anyway.
That was Post #343; it's only Day 1, and no one's being a dingus and (fake) revealing a power role, nor do any of us have Power Role-gotten info (I'm assuming). Unfortunately, wondering why Crimson never redacted his vote was all I had to go on.
It's early in the game, so there's nothing to do but overanalyze at the moment. Still, sorry if I mislead you to expect a grand denouement! We'll probably have them soon enough.
Barrylocke
Member
Meh, I also think it should have been stretched out longer to get more potential hits. You gave that "gambit" half an hour of cook time. I call that half-baked.
Anyways, we're 12 hours away from the halfway mark so...
Vote: TheWorthyEdge
Mainly because of this:
CrimsonFist
Member
No strong reason. I was going to switch it before I went to sleep, but then you promised a substantial post, so I figured I'd wait for that.
CrimsonFist
Member
StanleyPalmtree hasn't commented at all aside from that one post... I didn't think much of the post itself, but his continued inactivity despite the suspicion on him is odd.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
i like coffee,
i like puns,
and apparently i play characters like i play my fiddle: with the best of intentions, but still badly enough to attract a lot of attention.
i can only apologized if my flavor overwhelmed, i guess i should have started with a lighter blend.
our dearest Wendy bit the proverbial bullet. and i for one am sad to see the Oldbag go.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
well thats some of the best timing i have ever seen.
as to my absence, i found myself a new job that will be sucking up a lot of my time, so the most i can promise is that i will catch up on the goings on's and chime in around this time everyday.
CrimsonFist
Member
Vote: RobotNinjaHornets
Opening with a joke vote, and then following it up with...nothing.
Opening with a joke vote, and then following it up with...nothing.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Not really that interesting, you made that vote on 00.40 AM, and that tanner post I made prior, I made on mobile while laying in bed ready to go to sleep, and quickly checking the thread one last time.
Anyway: I disagree my stance is "pro neutral", I would more classify it as "not anti-neutral by default, lets look at it on a case by case basis". The problem with neutrals is that a day we lynch a neutral, will be a day wasted for scum hunting, since it will be very easy for scum to hide on that day, hell, they don't even have to fake ignorance since they likely know just as little about who the neutral(s) are/is as us. So depending on the neutral, sometimes that will be a necessary evil, and sometimes it is better to let them live.
Thoughts about other people:
CornBro: he has a lot of role speculation, which honestly is pretty useless at this stage of the game IMO. It's all just guesswork which will tell us nothing, and a pretty easy way for a scum to appear active while actually contributing nothing. He does also seem to hunt for scum though, even though I think his quick calling out of ri'on, his argument against stanley his first post, and his Barrylocke vote gamble aren't the strongest arguments.
Xam: mostly joke posts, had to be called out before he started to actually contribute. Says he was busy with travel preparations, but if you can make joke posts, you could also give us a quick opinion about things now and then.
Starsketch: A lot of her posts read very wrong, which gives me scum vibes from her, but that was also the case in Gafia 1 so I guess that is just the way she plays. I doubt a scum would make this many mistakes so early on. Neutral is possible though.
Quantumbro: Pretty much starts the game with "I am probably going to follow the vote of Scrafty. ", which is bad. Sure, I could understand that sentiment if the day is almost over and we don't have any good leads, but to start the day with that? That's not good for discussion. Sure, we could still talk about things, but if we knew we will just follow Scrafty her lead anyway, that discussion will have a lot lower stakes without votes. Not only that, it will make the vote patterns of today completely useless.
Kalor: Hasn't said anything of value at all. He has an open door:
(yet doesn't say what he thinks about this, just that it is interesting)
A vote with 0 reasoning, not even, "its RNG" or something like that:
And some mechanical things:
He is clearly here, but not giving us his thoughts about things. I want to hear a lot more from him.
VOTE: Kalor
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Eh, it's not like we have anything else to go on now, joke vote is as good as any other vote.
Was mainly just seeing how things fell into place for the first couple of days with the plan to get more involved today since other people are always better at pushing the conversation than me at this point
Xamtheking
Member
I have an opinion, Roy
You're a piece of work
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I think QB was intentionally trying to fuck voting patterns up cause he is scum
Sketch is so-so but leaning Town
You're a piece of work
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I think QB was intentionally trying to fuck voting patterns up cause he is scum
Sketch is so-so but leaning Town
I've been keeping up with the game but I haven't really had much to say.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Interesting. Because I asked why you voted for a particular person. Huh. The other times people said they were going to vote for them because of "shits n giggles" but this was the first one that caught my eye of suspicion.
Nothing? I would say enough things have happened where you at least can give us your opinion on, even if that is the same opinion as someone else, we would at least know where you stand.
Matt Attack
Member
Based off of initial impressions, if I had to pick who got lynched right now it would be QuantumBro, so I'll leave a vote there.
VOTE: QuantumBro
Maybe it is how they play on epicmafia, but personally I don't like it and I think it's the kind of play that scum might would go for (it gives very little for town to analyze following this day). Not the strongest case obviously, but it's stuck with me.
StarSketch's post mentioning her role PM read kind of weird, but other than that I'm not really feeling too suspicious of her at this point. I certainly don't think her reaction to CB's Barrylocke vote is enough to tie the two of them together.
My thoughts on neutrals are that, barring unusual circumstances, they're probably worth lynching. We most likely won't be able to prove their win condition unless they're either dead or victorious, so I'm hesitant to leave them around when our own win condition requires them to go away. I don't mind delaying a neutral lynch if we have a really good case for somebody being scum, but otherwise I would heavily consider it.
VOTE: QuantumBro
Maybe it is how they play on epicmafia, but personally I don't like it and I think it's the kind of play that scum might would go for (it gives very little for town to analyze following this day). Not the strongest case obviously, but it's stuck with me.
StarSketch's post mentioning her role PM read kind of weird, but other than that I'm not really feeling too suspicious of her at this point. I certainly don't think her reaction to CB's Barrylocke vote is enough to tie the two of them together.
My thoughts on neutrals are that, barring unusual circumstances, they're probably worth lynching. We most likely won't be able to prove their win condition unless they're either dead or victorious, so I'm hesitant to leave them around when our own win condition requires them to go away. I don't mind delaying a neutral lynch if we have a really good case for somebody being scum, but otherwise I would heavily consider it.
Xamtheking
Member
Crimson, can I get your thoughts on Roy and Kalor?
CornBurrito
Member
Honestly Kalor was extremely quiet in Election too, where he had a double vote town power.
Granted, if town that is still fairly anti-town behavior. So I'm not opposed to a lynch.
Granted, if town that is still fairly anti-town behavior. So I'm not opposed to a lynch.
CrimsonFist
Member
Roy has been pretty active, a bit of poking people, QuantumBro and Kalor in particular. Quite a lot of focus on a potential neutral too. Seeing as how our win condition implies the presence of one, and it's day 1 so there's not as much to talk about, I don't really find that to damning. His reads post is fairly agreeable, although aside from the vote on Kalor, there's not too much new insight.
Kalor: Has said pretty much nothing of value, so there's nothing to go off. He hasn't followed up on his vote or gotten any responses from it either.
You were going to be my next vote too, although since Barrylocke beat me too it, I figured it would be more useful to place it on someone new. A lot of your posting has been speculating on fluff, which is completely useless. Aside from that, my vote was about as justified as Kalor's so it did, and still does, seem odd for you to focus on that on in particular.
Plus you never directly responded to me asking you why it was "weird," although you did post an answer to someone else at least.
CrimsonFist
Member
It actually seems like really awful play. Using that tactic, if a scum player was about to get lynched, since it would only be by one vote, they could shift theirs at the last minute to get a townie lynched instead, and if you have the confirmed townie wait until the last minute, it gives no room for role claims.
Quantumbro, I can understand their reasoning for their idea but I used to play epicmafia so maybe that's why I don't think much of it. I don't think that we should follow his idea but I also don't see the suggestion of it being suspicious.
Stanley's post of "mourning all" reads like it could be a tease of being scum but that might be reading to much into an otherwise innocuous line.
Starsketch appearing to blend in by mentioning their pm is odd but right now I don't see it as being something that we can lynch her for.
I don't like the idea but on day 1 if someone switches their vote under that plan they, and then likely the person they tried to 'save', will just get hammered the next 2 days.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Right. Think things have been going long enough now. Time to review the evidence.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
How is commenting on fluff useless?
I'm looking @ the theme of the game and trying to understand what power roles there can be. lol. If you think that's useless, trying to find out power roles, then I suspect you have a power role of your own. Interesting stuff we have here. Trying to find and figure out potential roles has ever been useless, especially on the first day when we don;t have anything to go off of.
CornBurrito
Member
Yeah, early role speculation is useless. But that is also the time when it is the most fun for me. I'm not really doing it to be appear active, though that is a side effect of it for sure. I encourage people to look past simple post count though.
Your criticism of the whole Ri'on/Stan/Barry thing is a little odd. It is D1. There have been no flips to really give info. Of course those arguments are going to be weak. D1 is about putting our suspicions out there, and forcing others to put their suspicions out there. That way when flips start happening, we have shit to refer back to.
Unvote
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Ok. So Burrito, squidy and Crimson are all at the top of my cool for now list. A decent amount of contribution that seems to actually be attempting to push forward useful conversations, even though it's difficult at this point (ok yeah I'm being a hypocrite shush).
TheWorthyEdge I'm not feeling. A good portion of his posts have been purely speculating on whether or not a character is neutral. Fair enough, it's still day 1, but it comes across a bit as someone trying to post and make it look substantial, when really they're just arguing over bullshit that doesn't matter.
StarSketch - that role post slip seems more like just a slip than a mafia trying to be like "NO LOOK I'M TOWN"
Stanley - Toootally just read his post as him playing Godot. Seems like a mafia (speaking of, what's the flavour name for that?) wouldn't want to give much away by making obviously dark posts like that.
What's wrong with using the word hell?
TheWorthyEdge I'm not feeling. A good portion of his posts have been purely speculating on whether or not a character is neutral. Fair enough, it's still day 1, but it comes across a bit as someone trying to post and make it look substantial, when really they're just arguing over bullshit that doesn't matter.
StarSketch - that role post slip seems more like just a slip than a mafia trying to be like "NO LOOK I'M TOWN"
Stanley - Toootally just read his post as him playing Godot. Seems like a mafia (speaking of, what's the flavour name for that?) wouldn't want to give much away by making obviously dark posts like that.
What's wrong with using the word hell?
CornBurrito
Member
off to a "hell" of a start. In combination with "mourning everyone."
It doesn't evoke town feelings. I get that roleplaying doesn't mean much, since why would scum roleplay as scum. But like....
I present to you, post 3 that nobody apperently reads:
Not only that, but understanding which power roles there might be isn't useful for us right now. It may be useful later when someone claims and we need to find out if they are speaking the truth, and it may be useful later when we are trying to make sense of a weird night. But right now, trying to find out power roles is useless, and may even help scum if one of our power roles slips up.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
I guess? I mean saying a hell of a thing is just a standard phrase (see: DK Rap). Whatever, I don't see much point in arguing over this as it's a fairly minor thing, so *shrug*
If he acts weird later, I may rethink my stance on that post.
Also it wasn't even trying to figure out power roles, it was just "This is a character, they might be neutral" which doesn't help. At all.
CrimsonFist
Member
Fluff speculation can be fun, but it's not really beneficial, especially when it's just discussing which names will be which alignment. The only time I can really see that being relevant would be if we have a role name cop. I won't hold it against anyone for participating, but if you're not giving us anything else, it just looks like you're trying to appear active without really contributing.
Vote: Matt Attack
I was going to complain about the read lists kind of reiterating the same points, but looking through I'm realising that there's so many people who have contributed too little to really form any sort of read. Matt Attack hasn't really been in the spotlight much yet, so he gets my vote.
Vote: Matt Attack
I was going to complain about the read lists kind of reiterating the same points, but looking through I'm realising that there's so many people who have contributed too little to really form any sort of read. Matt Attack hasn't really been in the spotlight much yet, so he gets my vote.
CrimsonFist
Member
Something about this vote rubs me the wrong way. RNG voting is fine as an opening play, but a day into the game? You should be able to find a better reason to vote that that, even if it is just poking someone for being inactive.
Not saying that Staley was being active, it's the reasoning that bugs me more than the actual vote.
CornBurrito
Member
Ok and I think you're being blind if you don't think it was a deliberate word choice along with "mourning".
Barrylocke
Member
So no new opinions besides STILL wanting Edge to say why he singled out who he did among other bs early votes, but I just wanna say:
A. I'm possibly drunk
B. I played Avalon just now for the first time.
C. I was evil.
D. I won.
E. I knew who Merlin was.
A. I'm possibly drunk
B. I played Avalon just now for the first time.
C. I was evil.
D. I won.
E. I knew who Merlin was.
Hipster Cthulhu
Banned
Kalor has still as not explained his vote for me.
Xamtheking
Member
Are you the second coming of Cabot?
CornBurrito
Member
Has RedFalco posted?
StarSketch
Banned
I'm not super familiar with your avatar, but I know he likes coffee. I'm guess this was a roleplaying attempt?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Its a 3 day game and the vote isn't set in stone. Only thing guaranteed is that there will be a lynch today. Did I miss some development that is leading to someone being scum? Sorry I'm not reading between the lines of the posts some other ppl are seeing. It's not like I came in here at the last minute with a vote.
CornBurrito
Member
So....
One way to read this post is a very offended/defensive town player being mad that they were thought of as scum for doing something that isn't inherently scummy.
But this to me reads more like scum getting mad that they were thought to be scum for something that wasn't inherently scummy.
CornBurrito
Member
To clarify, nothing is more maddening than being scum and then people thinking you are scum for what you consider to be bad reasons.
Hipster Cthulhu
Banned
EzekelRAGE
Member
Or........
A post made to be purposely defensive to see who would try to jump on it to try to claim it seemed scummy.
Barrylocke
Member
Easy to claim now
