Oh good lord, you're going to sit in your chair and say this shit while giving your heroes a free pass because they "created" some mystical wealth and produced some shit. How about the massive amount of revenue they drained from the national and global economy during their binge?
Adam Carolla Rails Against Occupy Members: "....Self-Entitled Monsters"
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Oh good lord, you're going to sit in your chair and say this shit while giving your heroes a free pass because they "created" some mystical wealth and produced some shit. How about the massive amount of revenue they drained from the national and global economy during their binge?
Thirded.
The reason he's so bad at any conversation involving politics is because he has already made up his mind and facts won't stand in his way. He'll navigate his way around that to get to his points. Even when I agree with Adam on something political, the way he reaches his conclusion usually makes me shake my head and I feel weakens the argument.
And, of course, he has surround himself with yes wo/men who agree with everything. Even when they want to disagree, they backpedal and end up agreeing. He says it's not true, but it's completely obvious to anyone with ears.
I somehow kept listening after the "We need to cull the Mexican population out of California" line when it sounded like he was completely serious, but each subsequent episode got worse and worse. I only listened when a good guest was on, but then I stopped listening altogether.
The worst one I ever listened to, and the one that kinda waned me from his podcasts, was the one he did with Donny where they talked about politics the entire podcast. All they did the entire podcast was: Adam would rail on something, then Donny would throw a strawman to piss off Adam more, then move on to the next thing. I couldn't finish it. It was unfunny in addition to being completely ignorant. Well, that and I hated Teresa.
NathanMcMahon
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Dumb ignorant comment is awesome. Please post more stupidity. I'm eagerly awaiting your wisdom nuggets with bated breath and stiff nipples.
Phoenician_Viking
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I can´t believe some people are blaming the protesters and not big corporations. SMH.
I would rather not produce anything than produce a world wide financial meltdown.
I would rather not produce anything than produce a world wide financial meltdown.
What? There exist numerous financial instruments that yield massive ROIs without actually creating wealth. (By the way, you seem to have unknowingly conflated wealth and money.)
The Technomancer
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So you responded to a post I made an hour ago, ignored the posts I've made since then, and all that to...sarcastically insult me?
Sure
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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13.9% and 20% can only get part time jobs, only 50% has full time employment.
http://www.fastcompany.com/1789018/occupy-wall-street-demographics-statistics
His childhood doesn't excuse spewing ignorance in front of a microphone to millions of people in his mid 40s, but I listened to enough of his show(s) to know that he didn't exactly have an enviable upbringing.
There's a right way and wrong way to answer this question. I'll just say this: Blacks and Hispanics are conditioned to getting exploited and shit on by American capitalism.
Thank you.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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The fact is the made money. I never said they would good or not scum, just more productive.
I'm actually sitting on a couch right now. They still at least created something, which was my point, vs OWS.
WanderingWind
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Get a job! wouldnt apply to most of them. Half of the respondents are already employed full-time, and an additional 20% work part-time. Just 13.1% are unemployed--not a whole lot more than the national average."
Which corresponds almost exactly to the unemployment rate of recent college graduates as a whole. The statistic in no way marginalizes OWS protesters.
The Technomancer
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IMO the boomers had more of a problem with this. The current generation has been through too much shit for most of us to really believe that everything is just going to magically work out.
Those numbers, of course, applying to those visiting a website, a quarter of which also participated in the protests. The important statistic is 13.1% are unemployed, which is average when adjusting the numbers for age(more young people respond and more young people are unemployed).
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Part time job isn't a way to have a sustainable life. So once again only half have real full time jobs. The rest can only at best get part time or nothing.
5% higher than the national average?
I agree about the self-entitlement complex that's going on, but that has NOTHING to do with protesting against Wall Street. If anything, they are the ones who are entitled. They can screw up the economy and yet they are the first ones that get bailed out? How about it's more like people are protesting against corruption and an insane amount of greed?
That's precisely the point: they don't produce anything. 'Productive' as an adjective is not only inapt; it's flat-out false. By this measure, they are in no way superior to OWS protesters.
Wait, wait, wait. This getting a little confusing.
So most (or half) of these protestors are from white, middle class families, that have jobs, while also being lazy and entitled and protesting because they demand that the richies give them..MORE jobs? I...wha...um..
So most (or half) of these protestors are from white, middle class families, that have jobs, while also being lazy and entitled and protesting because they demand that the richies give them..MORE jobs? I...wha...um..
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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So Manos....by your logic, would a dictator who raped, pillaged, abused, stole from millions and corrupted, be pardoned because he did some useful things too, like I don't know, built a school?
Love to hear your answer on this.
I'd imagine a large portion working part time do so because they're studying at the same time?
Love to hear your answer on this.
I'd imagine a large portion working part time do so because they're studying at the same time?
The Technomancer
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Do national statistics work the same way? That's literally all that matters here: are OWS a representative sample or not?
So does the national average.
SpeedingUptoStop
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I'm not even crazy about the Occupy movement but I think it just completely went over his head? How is any of this related to people getting ripped off by banks and wanting their government to actually work for them and do something about it? How is that entitled? What connects any of these threads? You could pretty much say he said the exact same thing while scolding his own children and it'd read the same way.
The posters who just said "Well, he's right" are even more confusing, there is a mad disconnect going on here.
The posters who just said "Well, he's right" are even more confusing, there is a mad disconnect going on here.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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I'm too busy working hard and making money to join the occupation.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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At this point you just want to deny people who produced money their due credit because they didn't produce a iPad or some physical object.
WanderingWind
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Who did? If we're going to use this every time somebody says something, this could be applied to ... well, anybody. But having two parents and graduating high school in California, USA? The hard luck thing isn't impossible, sure, but it's a hard sell.
Being a Gen X'er and looking at the Gen Y'er (I'll admit, I missed Gen Y by a year...) group, I can't help but think what the hell are you guys doing? What's ironic (and great) is the generation previous to the X'ers did the same thing though.
I think the singular point that Adam made though was about the guy or gal going to get a job somewhere and then being turned down and then they go throw a brick through the window because they were rejected and therefore, the employer must suck for NOT hiring them.
His point of envy is valid and I think we all need to take a hard look at what and who we are--- not get serious debt that we can't afford and go back to the basics. The basics ain't a 2012 Audi S4 + 4 years of college tuition + a 60" TV w/ 7.1 surround sound and all the game systems and eating out every meal and paying $1000 bucks a month in rent to live in a cool part of town.
And you simply assume they aren't specifically looking for part time work despite the article stating that over 26% of them are students.
Well, that settles that then. Lol.
Watch, he's probably going to pull a digression manoeuvre now and change the goal posts or subject. Does it every time lol.
He grew up with Molly Ringwald. Life couldn't have been that bad.
WanderingWind
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That was your article you linked to. I changed literally nothing, and nothing was out of context. You're a decent dude, but right now you are literally arguing with yourself.
The Technomancer
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Yeah, but who sold us that dream for the past two decades? Its the same problem with everyone going to college weather they need it or not: the culture has sold the vast majority of the current young-adult generation on a fantasy that can't exist.
I mean, I agree it has to change, but I think its a bit more complicated then making it all about the "spoiled brats". Or, to quote Willy Wonka
ProtoCents
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Adam Carolla is the 1% though, right. Granted he grew up poor.
I love the guys opinions but often they seem forced and very rarely are they researched. He loves complaining. Like... it's his favorite thing.
I love the guys opinions but often they seem forced and very rarely are they researched. He loves complaining. Like... it's his favorite thing.
IrishNinja
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shouldve been the first post, but instead we had bitter old conservatives saying everyone there was under 25 or something. GAF is slippin'.
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Manos: The Hans of Fate
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SpeedingUptoStop
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It's a good thing those things aren't requirements for being against footing the bill for others poor investments? I am just really confused by this thread, it seems like anybody opposing Occupy Wall Street is on a different page, or really just a different book entirely from what it's trying to communicate. Reading through this is like watching people have a conversation in completely separate rooms.
dr3upmushroom
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Simpletons: I love Adam Corolla! He's right, those guys should just get a damn job already! Girls are stupid!
Adults: Adam Corolla opened his mouth, what do you know.
Guy has a good point about modern parenting, but it's stupidity to think that that's the sole reason behind the Occupy movement.
Foxtastical
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Wow.
I don't know, go read some primary sources detailing the struggles of people in lower classes (underclass perhaps). Not modern ones necessarily, but 1945 to the 1970s maybe. Then jump from there to some literature about neoliberalism. Go from there.
Politicians and propagandists have done a great job of making the underclasses loathe each other and themselves.
The Technomancer
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You're correct about the proportion of them that can only hold down part time jobs. But your original characterization of them was as a group with a significant proportion of unemployed people. However your own statistics show that both in terms of unemployment and part time employment they are roughly in line with the national statistics.
Ergo: OWS is not skewed towards unemployed/part-time people. It is representative of the national population with respect to employment. Please tell me anywhere I'm wrong.
Manos, still waiting for your answer on this for clarifications sake and potentially more dumfounded bewilderment.
The best way to defend an indefensible position is to attack the opposition instead of the idea. Also: Stupid semantics games.
These threads are a colossal waste of energy.
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