Adam Something: Fallout 4 Is Garbage, And Here's Why

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NeoGAFs Kent Brockman


Welcome to the post-apocalyptic nightmare feature that is Fallout 4, a game committed by the game studio called Bethesda. I am not sorry.

Introduction to Fallout Series

- The Fallout series is characterized as one of the most inconsistent video game franchises, with each installment varying significantly in quality and design.
- Starting with Fallout 1, players are introduced to an exceptional post-apocalyptic RPG that features engaging narratives, memorable characters, and intricate world-building.
- Fallout 2 further enhances the experience, building upon the strengths of its predecessor, while subsequent games like Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 are criticized for their shortcomings.

Fallout 1 and Fallout 2

- Fallout 1 is praised for its compelling story and innovative game design, setting a high standard for future RPGs.
- Fallout 2 is often regarded as an improvement, offering deeper gameplay mechanics and narrative complexity, thus solidifying the franchise's reputation.

Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas

- Fallout 3 marks the transition to a 3D world, introducing a new gameplay style, yet it faces criticism for its narrative structure and character development.
- In contrast, Fallout New Vegas is lauded for its rich storytelling, character choices, and the ability to impact the game world, making it a standout title in the series.

Fallout 4 Overview

- Fallout 4 is described as a significant departure from the series' earlier titles, featuring a convoluted and poorly executed storyline that detracts from the overall experience.
- The game begins with a unique pre-apocalyptic setup, allowing players to experience life before the nuclear fallout, but quickly devolves into a confusing narrative.
- The introduction of a fully voiced protagonist is criticized for limiting player expression and role-playing opportunities.

Character and Story Issues

- The story of Fallout 4 is described as a series of disjointed events, lacking a coherent plot and failing to engage players meaningfully.
- Critics highlight the ineffective character motivations and poorly developed NPCs that undermine the role-playing aspect of the game.
- The protagonist's emotional responses are deemed unrealistic, leading to cognitive dissonance as the character oscillates between intense personal stakes and mundane gameplay activities.

Gameplay Mechanics and Design Flaws

- Fallout 4's mechanics are noted for their simplicity and lack of depth, particularly in comparison to the more intricate systems found in previous titles.
- The game features numerous factions, yet their interactions and the player's influence on the world are limited, leading to a sense of stagnation.
- The crafting and settlement systems, while innovative, are criticized for being poorly integrated into the overall gameplay experience.

World-Building and Environmental Design

- The world of Fallout 4 is described as feeling lifeless and unconvincing, lacking the vibrancy and detail present in earlier games.
- Settlements like Diamond City are criticized for their lack of realism and depth, appearing as mere backdrops rather than fully realized communities.
- The environmental storytelling is deemed insufficient, with locations often lacking meaningful interactions or significant narratives.

Comparative Analysis with Fallout: New Vegas

- Fallout: New Vegas is contrasted against Fallout 4, highlighting the former's rich character development and player agency.
- New Vegas allows for meaningful choices that affect the game world, while Fallout 4's decisions often feel inconsequential.
- The narrative depth and complexity of New Vegas are celebrated, while Fallout 4 is criticized for its reliance on clichés and superficial storytelling.

Conclusion on Fallout 4's Legacy

- Fallout 4 is portrayed as a disappointing entry in the series, failing to capture the essence of what made earlier titles successful.
- The game is viewed as a product of a creatively bankrupt design philosophy, prioritizing sales over storytelling.
- Ultimately, Fallout 4 is seen as an example of how a beloved franchise can falter when its core elements are neglected, leading to a lack of engagement and emotional resonance with players.
 

Puscifer

Member
My opinion on this has changed over the years. I used to say it was bad and not worth playing. But I've realized that's not the case: the reality is that in my opinion it's where Bethesda's "do anything, be everyone and specialize in nothing with a quest of no urgency" design that started with Oblivion became too apparent and it carried over into Starfield hardcore.
 
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Dacvak

No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Isn’t this an Hbomberguy series?

…. Hah, okay I watched more than 1 second of the video now. I’ll have to watch this later and see if it’s any good. Love hbomb’s videos.
 

bender

What time is it?
Fallout 3 is the best in the series, which set an impossibly high bar to follow.
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Hollowpoint5557

A Fucking Idiot
It completely dropped the ball after 3 and NV. I could never play more than 4 hours of it after multiple attempts while having put hundreds of hours each into 3 & NV.
 

Gojiira

Member
Fallout 3 is the best in the series, which set an impossibly high bar to follow.

Fallout 4 was destined to be a letdown no matter what.
Oh lmao no, Fallout 3 is equally as bad as 4 despite what the fanboys and their rose tinted glasses say.
And the reason why is simple, Bethesda. They dont understand or make RPGs anymore, they make RPG-Lite. Fallout 3 has zero depth, poor plot,few impactful choices. The one thing it does well is atmosphere.
F1-2 and New Vegas are vastly superior. Toss up as to which is best but 3-4-76 are nowhere close.
 

The Lunch Legend

GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
Oh lmao no, Fallout 3 is equally as bad as 4 despite what the fanboys and their rose tinted glasses say.
And the reason why is simple, Bethesda. They dont understand or make RPGs anymore, they make RPG-Lite. Fallout 3 has zero depth, poor plot,few impactful choices. The one thing it does well is atmosphere.
F1-2 and New Vegas are vastly superior. Toss up as to which is best but 3-4-76 are nowhere close.
You never played FO3's dlc expansions, though.
 
Not garbage at all. Over time I realized how it's lacking depth but I absolutely loved my first playthrough despite wishing it had better RPG systems. The exploration was fun, world was interesting and had good atmosphere, Far Harbor was really good, the combat was a big improvement over Fallout 3, and the story wasn't bad. I had fun looting, crafting, upgrading my gear. There were some really neat weapons. Great music.

On second playthrough it didn't hold up as there was not much depth and thats the biggest failing of the game. The trend of in RPG's of being able to level up any skill at any time is what really hurt this game as well as a lack of choice and consequence and, as is the case with all Bethesda games, terrible ai and some underdeveloped systems also hurt it. I still think it did a lot right. It's so much better than the disaster that is Starfield anyway.
 

nowhat

Member
Isn’t this an Hbomberguy series?

…. Hah, okay I watched more than 1 second of the video now. I’ll have to watch this later and see if it’s any good. Love hbomb’s videos.
If you can get beyond the accent (which I find somewhat endearing, Adam Something makes great content IMHO), he has a point. Several, in fact. And yes, Fallout 4 sucks.
 
It's certainly an average at best, but at least it didn't try to put me to sleep like Starfield did. I genuinely passed out from boredom for about 5 minutes while I was traveling from point A to B on some random planet.
 
I recently got into it heavily.

Its pretty different from Fallout 3 I feel. Thats the issue.

Aimless exploration is not as rewarding as before.

It does however excel when I focus on weapon upgrading and my build. I got quite addicted to it.

Edit: dunno if its true or not, but gameplay feels massively improved in next gen version. Had so much fun with shooting mechanics. Dont remember it playing so well back when I first played it.
 
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Loved Fallout 3 but never played 4 more than a few hours. Seemed to bland. Hoped Bethesda would make their next game more complex again but Starfield was even worse. Lost all hope for the studio.
 

MrA

Member
Who gives a shit Book II - The Thread
My opinion is very important, so important its actually facts, when you disagree with me you are wrong and bad, I can't understand people have different tastes than me or have nuanced discussions of things
 

TexMex

Member
Yeah I’m definitely going to watch an hour long video of some dork with a take that has been pretty universally accepted for a decade.
 

Soodanim

Member
I played like 8 hours of FO4 and regretted it. I'm still sad today that I couldn't get it refunded because I exceeded the 2 hours limit on Steam for a refund

Now that I think about it, BGS hasn't made a good game since Skyrim. Every game they made after was a piece of shit. Which doesn't bode well for TES6
I wonder if you might be able to get more from the game now. There are mod packs that do all the work for you, so you could install one that re-crafts some bits you aren't fond of.

It doesn't stop being a flawed game that suffers from poor choices like a voiced protagonist affecting the role playing experience, but there's a lot of good to be found in that world if you can get past some of the barriers that held you back before.
 
While not as good as modded Fallout 3 or modded Fallout New Vegas. A modded Fallout 4 is still better than everything that was released after it and easily among the best games of all times only rivaled or surpassed by modded versions of Fallout 3, NV, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim.
 

Katajx

Member
I love Fallout 4. My first was 3, and then I went to 4. Then New Vegas after.Dabbled briefly in 1 and 2.

3 felt like oblivion with guns for me, but the shooting and melee mechanics were honestly pretty basic. Yeah, they simplified the RPG mechanics and streamlined a bit, but they did power armor right and it felt much more significant.

They took some of the gameplay improvements from Skyrim and they carried over to FO4.Melee, shooting, killcams added to the moment to moment gameplay. Perks were also fun.I also really enjoyed Far Harbor.

Honestly I have seen similar arguments going from Morrowind, to Oblivion, to Skyrim. Is this the same?
 

Soodanim

Member
While not as good as modded Fallout 3 or modded Fallout New Vegas. A modded Fallout 4 is still better than everything that was released after it and easily among the best games of all times only rivaled or surpassed by modded versions of Fallout 3, NV, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim.

I love Fallout 4. My first was 3, and then I went to 4. Then New Vegas after.Dabbled briefly in 1 and 2.

3 felt like oblivion with guns for me, but the shooting and melee mechanics were honestly pretty basic. Yeah, they simplified the RPG mechanics and streamlined a bit, but they did power armor right and it felt much more significant.

They took some of the gameplay improvements from Skyrim and they carried over to FO4.Melee, shooting, killcams added to the moment to moment gameplay. Perks were also fun.I also really enjoyed Far Harbor.

Honestly I have seen similar arguments going from Morrowind, to Oblivion, to Skyrim. Is this the same?
I completely expect a video about their space game (I don't even remember its name) where someone will look back fondly on Fallout 4. It's all relative.

Thinking about it, there's probably a video like that already.
 
4 was enjoyable at best, it wasn't "garbage" but it wasn't as good as the other games.
I had more fun with F76 than 4, be honest I think I had the most fun playing F76 than all the other games, I know Vegas and 3 are better than 76 but I had a lot of dumb fun playing it with the misses.
 

ChoosableOne

ChoosableAll
I even finished Starfield, but for some reason, I played this game twice for about 10 hours each time and dropped it. I tried modding it on my second attempt, but I still couldn't get into it. I plan to give it another try someday, but I don't have high expectations for the rest of the game, unfortunately. Maybe I'll play the London mod first.

FO2>FO1>FO:NV>FO:3>>>FO:4

4 is the only one I haven’t beat
This is the first ranking list of any kind I completely agree with lol.
 
It's fine for what it is, a looter shooter with some RPG mechanics.

As someone who naively went into it thinking Bethesda would take some of Obsidian's ideas on board, it was the biggest disappointment in my time gaming.

Also playing the Fallout London mod really shows what the game could've been. It's crazy that a few fans working from home made a better RPG than a team of hundreds of devs on very expensive salaries.
 
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DeepSpace5D

Member
Fallout 4 is a mixed bag for me. I have 100% trophies for the base game plus all its DLC, maybe close to 300 hours in it total. The gameplay is fine, it actually has competent first-person shooting mechanics, but doesn’t compare to the top shooters at the time. The V.A.T.S system I always found to be pretty enjoyable. One thing that I remember impressed me most about the game was the sheer amount of dialog that can be read from things like computer terminals and books. Just an insane amount of lore to read about if you spend the time to do so.

That being said, the main story’s plot is awful, uninteresting, and tropey nonsense that reminded me of something you’d get on a low-budget sci-fi channel movie back in the day. The settlement and base building mechanics were not fun to use and felt like more of an annoyance than a positive aspect of the game. The game is downright ugly at times, especially with the textures of some areas underground. And of course I ran into numerous bugs, some of which broke missions for me and forced me to reload earlier saves that cost me hours of progress.

I don’t regret my time spent with it though, and I would say the DLC in particular was personally my favorite parts of the game. I found Nuka World and Far Harbor to be quite enjoyable.
 

Gp1

Member
It's a good game with the best gameplay in the series.

With the proper mods its a good Fallout game, not on the level of 2 and NV but definitely better than modded or vanilla F3.
 

Mephisto40

Member
I think the only thing that really lets it down is how boring it is to start a new character, and just go through the same list of mundane missions again

I enjoyed my first play through, but trying to go back to it and start from scratch feels like a chore
 

Mokus

Member
I liked Fallout 4 over Fallout 3 but mainly because it's much more enjoyable to explore the post apocalyptic world and visually also is more immersive. But otherwise the Bethesda Fallout games are almost garbage level bad compared to Fallout 1 & 2.
 

Embearded

Member
It's fine for what it is, a looter shooter with some RPG mechanics.

As someone who naively went into it thinking Bethesda would take some of Obsidian's ideas on board, it was the biggest disappointment in my time gaming.

Also playing the Fallout London mod really shows what the game could've been. It's crazy that a few fans working from home made a better RPG than a team of hundreds of devs on very expensive salaries.

In general I agree, but to be fair to the devs, if this is what they were asked to do, then they did it fine.
The problem must be the direction here, not the technical know how.
 

ZehDon

Gold Member
It's definitely not as good as Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas, but I wouldn't call it garbage. The main narrative is the weakest point, followed by the lack of real role playing opportunities. It's story always felt like Bethesda were trying to out-do the faction-orientated narrative of New Vegas, and ended up creating possibly the least interesting narrative - not even main quest, I mean single narrative - in any Bethesda game ever. The minute-to-minute, however, is actually pretty decent. Having recently played Fallout 3 on my Steam Deck, it's clear they stepped up their gameplay work in basically every way. It's rough going back.
 

jwaxeman

Member
Fallout 4 isn’t a great RPG by Fallout series storytelling/decision-making standards but it’s a very good action RPG in general and when you play it on survival mode it offers one of the most unique, challenging, and rewarding RPG experiences in gaming. I’m surprised people are still working to criticize this game almost a decade later. The survival mode is just unmatched to this day.
 
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nowhat

Member
Honestly I have seen similar arguments going from Morrowind, to Oblivion, to Skyrim. Is this the same?
No. It's completely fucking up the lore. Also, pretty much no RPG elements WRT dialog/story choices.

I mean, Bethesda took the BioWare conversation wheel - and actually made it even worse. Quite a feat. You have options for "yes", "sarcastic yes" (whatever that is), "angry yes" and "ehh... but still yes".
 
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