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After car broke down, Florida church drummer killed by plainclothes cop (Up: Fired)
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Didn't we just had a case where a woman called for help and then the police came and took shots at her daughter and killed the dog or something?
Also the case where somebody called for mentally challenged one who neeeded help and was shot by the arriving police.
Both weren't black I think, but you can imagine that these situation wouldn't gone better with the people being black.
darkinstinct
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It is. That's what happens when everyone is allowed to carry guns, police are scared, police are triggerhappy. And criminals are more likely to murder people, murder rates in the US are about 5 for every 100.000 citizens, in Europe it is less than 1.
My guess is that it's all coming from the gun culture. As there are so many guns out there there is a big chance that the person a cop faces at some point is armed. So cops are trained to shoot at the smallest reaction from the other side.
What's baffling me is that it's too often a deadly shot. Why not try to shoot just to injure? Maybe because it's easy to hit the area where a shot becomes lethal?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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I would not feel safe calling the police if I was American
What if the tables were turned and the victim was able to kill the cop? This cop will not be arrested or face any form of punishment because he's a coward. Would the victim get off Scott free if he killed the cop and said it was because he feared for his life wheb he saw a random guy had a gun? Nah... They'd put his black ass underneath the jail. So basically he was fucked the second that cop showed up.
The only thing silly is to still trot out this argument like it means anything.
Why? Most of these killed by police incidents aren't from people calling the police.
this is such a tired argument. But, let's address it yet again. The police in this country are allowed to operate in a protective bubble and overwhelmingly go unpunished or regulated when they screw up. this isn't just about the actions of a single officer. it's about the actions of the officers and culture that surround them, especially after they break the law. there is a large problem that needs fixing and judging the police in their entirety is justified.
We're assuming its one shot. Most of the time the police shoot someone they seem to just unload. Wouldn't be surprised if this poor guy was shit seven or eight times.
Most of these incidents aren't from people calling the police. More like they just show up, stare down the person of colour, and then execute them because... ummm... suspicion.
That would be even worse. Any more than one-two shots should invalidate the argument of self defense.
Why?
If you legitimately fear for your life, you shoot until the threat is incapacitated.
I would not feel fully safe in the US knowing that there are police like this out there. Especially when the corrupt murderer 'police officers' don't seem to get much of a punishment, if any at all. On average, and statistically, American police are much more likely to kill you than any other western nation's police. The amount of lives they've taken compared to other nation's police forces should not be acceptable for a first world country. These pointless civilian executions need to stop.
This whole situation is creating a vicious cycle where the increasing distrust towards police officers creates paranoid police officers that are more likely to whip out their sidearm than they were before. That 'fraction of one percent' is going to keep climbing higher and higher unless something is done.
Agent Gibbs
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So a black man is parked on the road side in a broken down car at night
Along comes a police man in plain clothes in an unmarked car, and the end result is he dies
I'd put money on the 'officer' who'd look like any random person not an officer, pulled up behind the car and got out
Jones who's in the dark at 3am, sees a car pull up and someone get out who isn't a tow truck, he probably picked up a tyre iron, or perhaps the supposed gun he owned and exited the vehicle (unless he was already out taking a leak, examining the engine etc)
The officer as standard practice probably approached gun drawn, with a flash light
Jones 'appears' from the dark and the officer reacts by shooting instinctively
I'd be the officer said nothing, never announced himself, just shot a bloke who he saw in the dark holding something - that something could be debatable.
I can't think of a situation where a plain clothes officer approached and followed procedure that resulted in a shooting, the only way it makes sense is if the cop was trigger happy in the dark and shot first
Along comes a police man in plain clothes in an unmarked car, and the end result is he dies
I'd put money on the 'officer' who'd look like any random person not an officer, pulled up behind the car and got out
Jones who's in the dark at 3am, sees a car pull up and someone get out who isn't a tow truck, he probably picked up a tyre iron, or perhaps the supposed gun he owned and exited the vehicle (unless he was already out taking a leak, examining the engine etc)
The officer as standard practice probably approached gun drawn, with a flash light
Jones 'appears' from the dark and the officer reacts by shooting instinctively
I'd be the officer said nothing, never announced himself, just shot a bloke who he saw in the dark holding something - that something could be debatable.
I can't think of a situation where a plain clothes officer approached and followed procedure that resulted in a shooting, the only way it makes sense is if the cop was trigger happy in the dark and shot first
Marauder Shields
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Would be nice if there was footage to see if he was actually armed or not.
1.21Gigawatts
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Do we have information about that? It shouldn't be hard to figure out whether or not the victim was armed with a gun.
Anyway, unless the victim attacked the cop for no reason(which is highly unlikely scenario) the cop was at fault here and should be prosecuted for manslaughter.
Tha's how I see it.
Worse. Bleeding woman calls a random cop for help. But she owns a Boxer dog and they're pretty big and friendly. This cop misses the dog, accidentally hits the woman's daughter and runs from the scene.
I'm not surprised US cops seem to be generally pretty terrible considering one of thread comments in that NeoGAF thread, from who I presume to be a cop, said this:
Like this guy is normally a huge police apologist who constantly uses the "NOT ALL POLICE" defense but this really does seem to exemplify the US police's stance on lethal force.
Lord Panda
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Why am I not surprised.
I'm furious that someone's life can just be extinguished and the murderers continually get away with it.
I'm furious that someone's life can just be extinguished and the murderers continually get away with it.
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Transhuman
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I can't wait to read this thread when it gets bumped 7 months from now with a not guilty verdict.
Triggerhappytel
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But this line of thinking only works if you ignore all of the good things police do: stopping crimes, arresting criminals, protecting people, resolving situations and so on. I know it grabs headlines to report when they do something wrong, or shoot the wrong person (and I'm not defending that at all!), but I'm sure they good the police force does for individuals and for society at large far outweighs the bad things. To blanket call them "scum" and compare them to a criminal gang is just fucking stupid.
1.21Gigawatts
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I blame the good cops at least partially for not speaking up.
Why isn't the police force equally outraged as we are by these things?
Why aren't cops demanding better training? Why aren't cops speaking up against racism in the police force? Why aren't cops speaking their mind about gun culture and the lack of gun control which creates a much more dangerous work environment for them?
Sometimes I don't feel like giving them the benefit of the doubt and buying into the "just a few bad apples" narrative, because I don't hear the good apples condemning the bad apples.
Gravy Boat
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People don't ignore those things though. Police, nurses, firemen etc all get credit for the good work they do, and are generally greatly respected (although their pay oftentimes isn't worth the work they do). But at the end of the day, it's their job. People shouldn't expect to be praised every time they do their job correctly, but they can sure as hell expect to be called out when their poor behaviour results in someone getting killed. Like, it's not as if this was an accident or anything. The officer wasn't aiming to shoot a rabid coyote and missed. He purposely shot this guy for whatever reason, and rightfully deserves to be legally punished for that. It's good that this stuff makes the headlines because it forces people, and the police system as a whole, to take accountability for their actions.
There vast majority of people within the police force are probably good, honest people who want to do their part to make their society a safer and friendlier place to live, perhaps even this particular officer. That doesn't change the fact that the royally fucked up though, and the fact that police shootings are so insanely high in the US points to a problem with the system more than the individuals. So I get what you mean that people shouldn't label all cops as thugs or whatever, but it's so hard not to make judgements like that when there is a very clear problem with the system as a whole and not enough of the good cops are speaking out to help improve things.
Primarily white area, black man killed in the middle of the night, no witnesses or camera footage supposedly. Probably will get some paid time off and then be back on the force like nothing happened.
Triggerhappytel
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Yeah, fair enough - I can't disagree with any of your points. Especially that they should be properly answerable for their crimes and not protected by their own, but then that's a complete organisational change which needs to come from the top. I still think comparing them to a criminal gang is dumb though.
They're paid to do that, you make it sound like they're going out and doing these things out of the goodness of their hearts. They are one of the few jobs I can think of where messing up results in the loss of life and the reaction is just "oh well" as they go unpunished. They have killed 780 Civilians this year, and we still have 2 more months to go.
The good does not out weigh the bad for people who are hassled by Police because of how we look.
No that line of thinking works if you actually DO thinking and are thereby able to differentiate between "cops" as in the institution, system, what have you - and literally every member of law enforcement in the US. Not to mention the "good" is literally their job.
Just because the people screaming #notallcops at the top of their lungs are unable (or unwilling) to make that distinction doesn't mean the rest of us are. So take your poor and tired attempt to obfuscate somewhere else please.
Triggerhappytel
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I'm not obfuscating anything - merely trying to suggest why comparing them to a criminal gang is stupid. I don't defend or condone their trigger-happy bullshit and, being from the UK, I find the gun culture of America utterly terrifying.
Why is it stupid? List your criteria of criminal gangs and we go from there.
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Absolutely heartbreaking. He worked as a property manager at a local Housing Authority and his boss says that "he was very aware of how to handle police because of the job he did."
Absolutely heartbreaking. He worked as a property manager at a local Housing Authority and his boss says that "he was very aware of how to handle police because of the job he did."
I already added it before this thread.
I'm just imaging gun enthusiasts getting in bad situations like getting their foot stuck in train tracks and opening fire on an oncoming train. Or being in a rock slide and shooting at each rock as it careens down a mountain.
I guess blacks do cause a legitimate fear for my life tho.
Tertullian
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Send plainclothes cops after stranded cars in isolated locations at 2:30 in the morning. That's sure not gonna make people scared and panicky and lead to dangerous confrontations, no sir.
Plainclothes cops are such a stupid, bullying, authoritarian idea unless they're doing some specific undercover work involving organized crime.
Plainclothes cops are such a stupid, bullying, authoritarian idea unless they're doing some specific undercover work involving organized crime.
Alright there, calm down kid.
Gordon Shumway
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..RIP.
RevengeOfDoh
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I can't wait to hear about how Jones was chasing hulk hogans with sizzurp and smoking a fatty before turning into Super Negro right before the cop approached, which caused the cop to fear for his life.
Triggerhappytel
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