After the PS3 slim the next question is...when does MS redesign the X360?
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infinityBCRT
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It didn't happen with the original xbox because:ivedoneyourmom said:
- it came to market late
- nvidia was getting out of the chip manufacturing business at the end of the xbox lifecycle so it was a convenient time to move on
- neither intel nor nvidia was giving ms the access and rights to modify/manufacture the hardware themselves (which prevented them from shrinking the chips)
MS has already shrunk the innards of the 360 from 90nm to 60nm and its expected to go to 45nm eventually. It would make sense to shrink the case at that time.
Its possible that MS won't shrink the console because of the risk of reintroducing the RROD problems but if they go to 45nm the amount of heat generated will be signficantly lower than the Jaspers let alone the original hardware.
Rapping Granny
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Sometimes I wish Sony and MS merged, MS could handle the software, Live etc and Sony could do hardware, I mean they got the machine into a slim in 3 years with the PSU inside.
Rapping Granny
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It would be awesome. I love my PS360, now if only they were one.
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Rapping Granny
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clashfan said:
Yeah man, you tell them. FIGHT THE POWER!
Rapping Granny
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clashfan said:
lol calm down, console wars taken to heart.:lol
Cirekiller
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What kind of funtionality did the Arcade SKU provide?clashfan said:
My question is, will we Get a Wii Lite? I would love to see Nintendo make an even thinner Wii. Maybe make the GCN Controller and Memory card slots an optional attachable accessory, or just cut them out (And GCN support) completely, and they may be able to make an even thinner, smaller system.
AdventureRacing
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Why do people act like all MS made consoles are garbage and all sony's are gold?
MS has had 2 consoles one which was really sturdy another which was pretty low quality (partly due to rushing to be first i would think).
Sony has had 2 consoles which had high failure rates and 1 which is really sturdy.
It's not like either have a great track record.
MS has had 2 consoles one which was really sturdy another which was pretty low quality (partly due to rushing to be first i would think).
Sony has had 2 consoles which had high failure rates and 1 which is really sturdy.
It's not like either have a great track record.
Cirekiller
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ok...where the hell did anyone say that..?AdventureRacing said:
element
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that isn't a valid argument. Arcade provided a lower priced model without changing any of the hardware (hdd or no hdd), there wasn't any other design changes then a simple clip on device.Cirekiller said:
Slim to Full size is a totally different board, case, bluray drive. it is a totally different machine.
You can do that with features and software more so then a new shell.
What does the console size have to do with its demographic? Are you suggesting that Wii is popular because it is smaller? If MS wants to go after Wii they will do it via features and price point, not shell size.
I just want Microsoft and Nintendo to eliminate those power bricks. I don't even care if they kept the size the same, as long as the redesign doesn't melt my system or set fire to my room. They're just a hassle I don't want to deal with. I have a section on my shelf dedicated to power bricks.
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AdventureRacing said:
The DVD drives sucked on the original Xbox in case you forgot. I had two of them crap out on me in under two years. Also remember the power cord recall after someone's house burnt down. Those were some very severe problems.
Sony has problems out of the gate but fixes them quicker.
Nintendo consoles are built like tanks. Only the Wii and DS have had problems but they never were major. I guess you could count the old NES cartridge slot problems too, but after a few tries with that, at least it worked!
ajcastillo
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Yeah wtf with those power bricks, in my 15+ years of gamer the xbox 360 power bricks is the biggest of all history damn at least modify the power brick
It would, actually. But you're right that it's only one part. When you add it all up - smaller board, shell, packaging materials, packaging, shipping, etc., it matters. Don't dismiss elements like shipping costs, which can be a significant portion of total cost. I used to do cost analysis for the boards and systems group in the company I work at. Smaller form factors can have large impacts on costs. Of course, you need to do the cost/benefit of changing processes. But I suspect MS plans enough volume left in the life cycle that it will be worth it.element said:
element
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that is why i put shipping in there. I think R&D on a new shell, new fab contracts for the shell, change in manufacturing line, and other additional front loaded costs make it a tough sell. especially if natal is 100% self contained hardware (pretty much an add-on)GhaleonEB said:
AlucarD.eq
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Maybe a new look for the Arcade?... So far I can see PS3 Slim vs XB360 Elite... Wii vs Arcade?
Paracelsus
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PS3 hardware revision getting announced together with a massive (?) pricecut, videos of the Wand and more importantly the rebranding shows that Sony wanted to shake off their shoulders the image of the "599$ big bad bastard". Microsoft doesn't need that, since people gladly kept buying their consoles even after the whole RROD thingy, because of the good games and features (XBL etc.). Moreover, If they managed to bring the price of the Arcade down to 149 I can't see why they would need such a heavy revision to further bring down costs. Who knows, maybe the slim will be born when 360 hits 99$.
intheinbetween
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if it wasn't for the RRoD issue, MS wouldn't have to worry about a redisign at this point.
however, iirc, some time ago there was an internal leak about the different chipsets for XBOX 360. one of these chipsets is code named Valhalla, it combines the CPU and GPU onto one 65nm chip. requiring even less cooling that we'd see in the Jasper chipset, so it's likely to be the chipset that's gonna be used for the new XBOX 360 model later in 2010.
http://kotaku.com/356917/new-opus-and-valhalla-xbox-360-chipsets-coming-next
maybe this "Valhalla" chipset is gonna be used in a possible and future 360 redisign, but, who knows?
however, iirc, some time ago there was an internal leak about the different chipsets for XBOX 360. one of these chipsets is code named Valhalla, it combines the CPU and GPU onto one 65nm chip. requiring even less cooling that we'd see in the Jasper chipset, so it's likely to be the chipset that's gonna be used for the new XBOX 360 model later in 2010.
http://kotaku.com/356917/new-opus-and-valhalla-xbox-360-chipsets-coming-next
maybe this "Valhalla" chipset is gonna be used in a possible and future 360 redisign, but, who knows?
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True, but they also failed to design significantly more capable hardware with an extra year (practically an eternity for tech) and a price that was hundreds higher.Rapping Granny said:
Fox Mulder
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I'd rather they shrink the innards and put the PSU in there, even if it means the same case. It's like a 50 pound ball and chain when you want to take the console over to a friend's house.
But I wonder if the power supply problems they had with the first xbox will prevent them from trying it ever.
But I wonder if the power supply problems they had with the first xbox will prevent them from trying it ever.
I can't remember if I read it in an article around the 360 launch, or if I read in that 360 uncloaked book.HUELEN10 said:
But I specifically remember them stating that the overall architecture (including many of the components) were designed so they could be shrunken and redesigned over time. Many decisions were also knee-jerk reactions to what they suffered through with the original XBOX. This was when Microsoft was fine with the idea of not shipping with a hard drive with the 360.
If they plan on keeping the 360 much longer than the original XBOX, a redesign has to be in the works. I'm sure the R&D department has at least considered the the possibility and not just sitting around scratching their balls,
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Epcott said:
Last February.? so even the newer models still RROD.?
Psychotext
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When it's bought isn't important. What's bought is.Tormentoso said:
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Rapping Granny said:
There fixed for you my friend.
But i care more about RROD than about the size of the unit,i was hopping to get one soon now even sooner because i know that MS will probably do another price drop,but reliability is a + for me,and i already loss one 360.
Tormentoso
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Psychotext said:
Oh so he may have got and older model.
Tormentoso
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Dilli666 said:
Is one of the things i don't really get,why in hell the xbox 360 is so big when it has no internal power supply or internal HDD,and the console got so many problems with heat when no PS was in or HDD,come to think of it if the unit on launch would have come with those 2 build in the rate of failure would have been even bigger.