Lone_Prodigy
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Not a field agent. Walking into a hideout knowing that you'd have to fight your way out is one thing. Getting betrayed by an ally with death imminent? Anyone would be crying.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (to...Hey guys, I found it!)
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Not a field agent. Walking into a hideout knowing that you'd have to fight your way out is one thing. Getting betrayed by an ally with death imminent? Anyone would be crying.
BronsonLee
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So? That was refreshingly realistic as hell. He also y'know, shot a few dudes while doing so
BattleMonkey
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Then ABC should have held off airing the episode. What ABC expects is totally different than what Marketing and advertisers expect or want.
MiamiWesker
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Wow no ratings bump scares me. I was just watching an ABC show from last week and a commercial for the last Shield episode came on and it said "the show you must watch LIVE!!!" They really want non DVR watchers.
Jag
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I don't think Garrett was the Clairvoyant either. So who is the Clairvoyant? Is it Mrs. Hyrda? Was it just a cover Hydra used and it's not a single person or could it be:
CA:WS Spoiler
Arnim Zola? That makes the most sense since he's the one who infected SHIELD with Hyrda and is part of a computer interface.
Pai Pai Master
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I don't think there is a Clairvoyant. It was just a ruse set up to throw them off.
I'm sure Garrett was involved but like Centipede it was just a front.
I'm sure Garrett was involved but like Centipede it was just a front.
I agree. It was different to see an agent hide and cry than kick-ass like everyone else.
Though I also am in the camp going "Dude, don't cry, DO SOMETHING!"
But again, it did feel a little bit more grounded for sure.
fallengorn
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Well, someone has to have been the head of the operation, unless they planned Centipede by committee.
There are 6 gems in total unless it's different in the MCU.
Well if you have all the others it's almost trivially easy to get that one back.
The ratings had leveld off at 2.0,
and yep, the "hyped up" event led to a 1.7 (as of now)
Looking at Wiki, it seems like a show got a minor boost with the Thor tie-in
But I don't remember how that was advertised?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxuGpyl6b0
Seems also suggested needed to see Thor 2.
So wonder why it worked there and not now.
But I don't remember how that was advertised?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxuGpyl6b0
Seems also suggested needed to see Thor 2.
So wonder why it worked there and not now.
Napoleonthechimp
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The show needs some big hitters to guest star. That'll get the ratings up.
And I don't just mean Nick Fury or Maria Hill.
Throughout that entire thing I was thinking "god damn, have some self-respect".
And I don't just mean Nick Fury or Maria Hill.
lol
Throughout that entire thing I was thinking "god damn, have some self-respect".
Jay Shadow
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Definitely 6. The Collector said 1 down, 5 to go.
Alcoremortis
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Well, it wasn't really death imminent. It was more like being shot in the kneecaps and then forced to work for Hydra imminent. But yeah, still applies.
Pai Pai Master
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Because every scientist should be a secret master ninja badass?
Maybe because the Thor tie-in was absolute bullshit and some people didn't think of falling for that again.
Napoleonthechimp
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In a show that could get away with having "secret master ninja badass's" guest star? Yes, suspension of disbelief is a welcome thing.
I'm totally confused on which they handed over.
If the Loki's staff contains one of the Infinity "Gems", which is NOT in Asgard's possession, what did they turn over to the Collector? The Tesseract? (Is that even the same?) Or are we supposed to assume its another stone altogether?
(Not sure if spoiler tags needed...)
Pai Pai Master
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They gave the Aether to the Collector, presumably after it was recovered from Malekith's body.
Napoleonthechimp
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They handed over the Aether.
BlackNMild2k1
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I would think it helped as everyone that tuned into HULU, like myself, were taracked and forced to sit through commercial breaks.
But honestly, if HULU was smart, they would make airing episodes ahead of cable a regular feature for paying subscribers, as I really see no other benefit to paying to watch commercials online (outside of catching up on TV shows... also with commercial breaks).
They could potentially find an extended audience in those that don't subscribe and find alternate ways to watch.
I think in Ftiz situation, he did Couson and May a huge favor by staying out of the way. He is not a combat trained operative. He was an early graduate from the science division at SHIELD, so the best thing he could do was let May handle the guards, let Coulson handle Garret and Fitz lay in wait for an opportunity to be helpful. There was no need for him to get beat up and then distract both Coulson & May from who they were dealing with, just to protect him from catching a bullet.
and to add to another part of the discussion, I also think this show should have came on the air later than when it did. Maybe start with a Thor tie-in in November and carry the show with 2 less months of break time to keep momentum. The show might have progressed a little different if it started right after Thor 2.
Next season will not have the same issues this season had of having to hold off on reveals and pace itself with the release of the movies, as there will be no movies releasing during the schedule of season 2, so maybe next season they can just start it later in the year and have it run right into Avengers 2 and lead the way to Ant-Man or something.
Father_Brain
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I'd say it should have been a 13-episode season, debuting in January or February. The writers had enough story for six or so good pre-TWS episodes, not sixteen.
Really, given how creatively crippled the show was out of the gate, it's a wonder that it didn't lose even more of its audience in the first half of the season. The initial conversations with the writers must have gone something like this:
"It's Mission: Impossible meets The X-Files, in an enormously popular superhero universe! Anything within a TV budget can happen! Except you can use only a limited set of Marvel characters, because most of them are reserved for the films or other TV projects. And you can't use general plot concepts like time travel, magic, alternate dimensions, gods other than the Asgardians, most alien races other than the Chitauri, advanced ancient civilizations, or (for some reason) psychic powers, because none of those things have appeared yet in the MCU. Oh, you also can only make very limited use of superpowers, period, for most of the season because there are very few superpowered humans established in the MCU, so focus on futuristic gadgets instead. And even though the series is ostensibly about a shady, all-powerful quasi-governmental organization, you can't make SHIELD look shady or establish any real intrigue within it until April. Also, ABC and Jeph Loeb think that first nine or so episodes should be procedural even if that doesn't fit the espionage side of the show, and can you please make them accessible to people who have never read a Marvel comic or seen a Marvel Studios film? Finally, there's a movie coming in April that blows up most of the premise of your show, but to avoid spoiling it, we can't have you leading into it in anything but an extremely indirect way."
Of course, the show can and should have been better even within those constraints, but that's not exactly a creative environment conducive to doing one's best work.
Black-Wind
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This. Either there is none and it was just a ruse or it was Him ...
The whole point of this was to show that "The Clairvoyant" wasn't some super powered dude sitting in a room somewhere, it was just someone using Shield intel and manipulating the Agents. Seems that that's Gertta or who ever he is and that dude's a Hydra Agent.
So basically this whole mess was a Hydra cover. Simple as that ...
And I can NOT see how Ward is double crossing Hydra here. He gave a whole jet full of people head shots with non-icer rounds and I see nothing to be gained from killing off Shield Agents. This aint Buffy, Ward can't hand wave killing off innocent people because "It's his nature ... but he's fighting it!".
They didn't show Hand's body on the floor getting double tapped with bullets because, ya know, this is a prime time Family show ... not The Walking Dead
Jest Chillin
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Hulu's statistics don't affect ratings to my knowledge. Ratings are designed to let advertisers know how popular a particular show is with a specific age/sex group that they might want to advertise to. They can't really track that information reliably on Hulu. Neilsen boxes don't seem that accurate to me either (since it utilizes a subsection of the viewer base rather than the whole) but it's what Networks rely on most.
TrAcEr_x90
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Isnt this the normal process for a Whedon show? One long build up to the end of the season which might pay off but by then nobody is watching anymore?
That problem + Loeb's "I hate serialization" = trainwreck. They needed to do a front 13 arc and a back 9 arc (HYDRA) instead of what they attempted this season.
This seems like a poor excuse. The show has been averaging like ~6 million viewers for the past couple of months, the only people still watching at this point are diehard Marvel fans that would've already seen Winter Soldier opening weekend.
Rewatching the episode via Hulu right now since my DVR is the pits. First things first, Simmons is totally Hydra. There's too many lines she has that don't mean anything unless you assume she is. She has that about to smile face on her face the whole time professor is about to die telling them about Hydra, and not to mention her complete silence when they're being interrogated. The only time she spoke up is when defending Coulson, so I don't know what that means.
Ward has been a Hydra sleeper for a long time. When Garrett pulls him aside to catch him up to speed, he goes "Hand is the Clairvoyant, so chew on that for a bit" and he does that pondering face. Oh yeah, I think Ward still has the harddrive that Skye gave him for safekeeping. Y'know, the HDD with every adventure they've ever gone on? So that's really bad. I think Ward is Hydra all the way through. He'll have a roll protecting the team from the sidelines.
And I think Hand is dead. Ward capped off 2 SHIELD agents and double tapped Hand. You don't survive a double tap. Icers or not. They played up a whole lot of stuff. Anyone who got more than 3 lines is important. People who got the lions shares are Hand, Ward, Simmons, and Garret.
Last thing. Can someone re-tell me what The Fridge is? Why is it secure for sure and where is it? What's The Treehouse? Does that exist only in SHIELD-Verse?
To be fair, that's usually used to create interesting characters
Which I still think this show is so-so on
I want almost all of the main cast to be bit players on their own show
Triskelion = the DC HQ in CA2, never been referenced on the show itself.
Hub = the main operations HQ Hand was in charge of, location unknown
Treehouse = we don't know yet, probably a teaser for the future
Fridge = storage/containment facility for dangerous weapons and people.
Hub = the main operations HQ Hand was in charge of, location unknown
Treehouse = we don't know yet, probably a teaser for the future
Fridge = storage/containment facility for dangerous weapons and people.
fallengorn
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A) The Fridge is a containment and storage facility. Stuff like the gravitonium from an earlier episode is there in an unmarked vault. But apparently they also hold people there as well.
B) Who knows.
I guess we'll see next episode.
C)You're guess at the Treehouse is as good as anyones. This was the first time it was mentioned, I think. All these facilities are from the show. They've never appeared in the movies.
The Fridge is a facility where they store shit they find like the 084, that kid weather thingamagig, Hoffa's corpse and eht Abomination.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
The Abomination is in Alaska, unless that's a euphemism for the Fridge.
Looks like she is agreeing with Coulson that the HIMYM ending was bullshit.
Robin is the secret identity of Maria hill.
Well, I am with Loeb on that one,
but I wasn't no sserialization, it was just toned down, se the first few seasons of Smallville as a good example.
Hasn't it been mentioned twice by now?
Pai Pai Master
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Fitz definitely mentioned a while ago that he had an Academy buddy who was now at the Triskelion.
Yes first time was in T.A.H.I.T.I, when Fitz/Simmons were trying find where Coulson was resurrected.
TrAcEr_x90
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So I've only seen the first episode. Is it worth going back and watching these? Maybe just jumping in midway through the season? or just wait and see if there is a season 2?
Weapxn
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Eps 6 and 7 are interesting IMO. And it starts to get better slowly starting around the 10th episode.
Father_Brain
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Ratings were adjusted up two-tenths to 1.9, so the drop from last week's episode (2.0 adjusted) is almost statistical noise. Still not good news, but not particularly bad given that it seems to be holding steady at around 2.0.
watch the hole thing first thing
the first half off the season is just ok second half is great
Pai Pai Master
Banned
That seems to be the case. HYDRA survived by regrowing its ranks from within SHIELD but then you also have people like Centipede who aren't specifically SHIELD agents. And Baron Strucker himself is certainly not within SHIELD. There are probably other HYDRA supporters out there but they knew they could not blow their cover until SHIELD and Fury were out of the picture. As Strucker says, the time is now to come out of the shadows and start wreaking havoc for groups like The Avengers to have to deal with.
It scares me that Marvel out Jeph Loeb in charge of television. If anyone has the potential to make the whole thing a disaster it's him.
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