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pieatorium
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it also reflected iron mans super cutting lasers doesnt mean cap can lift a car
If Cap had taken that hit by himself he would be splattered all over the ground. You have no idea what you talking about, please inform yourself a bit before coming up with bad arguments like that.
pieatorium
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he wouldnt be splattered imo more like what blonsky looked like after hulk kicked him into a tree which is pretty close i guess
I can kinda understand there. Thor is in his world, Captain America is travelling, Stark is in his area. Spider-Man lives in New York just like the Fantastic Four and just like Stark now that his house is gone. It works now because everyone is spread out and they each have their role. Otherwise it would be like a movie where Wolverine takes on a bad guy alone while inside of the X-Men mansion.
As I said, I have only seen the movies and the cartoons. That is enough information to discuss the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the Spider-Man cinematic universe. Everything else doesn't exist there.
pieatorium
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and spider man is portrayed as way stronger than cap and especially most of the x men which is the first thing you were arguing against.
crimsonheadGCN
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I think the problem with the movies and cartoons is that the animated or movie series never last long enough to show that Peter Parker is holding back a lot of his power. There never seems to be a good time to bring that up.
Anyways, he's held up an entire building in the comics:
No he is holding up one support beam and praying that the Bugle doesnt fall down around his ears.I think the problem with the movies and cartoons is that the animated or movie series never last long enough to show that Peter Parker is holding back a lot of his power. There never seems to be a good time to bring that up.
Anyways, he's held up an entire building in the comics:
No, the first I argued was that he doesn't seem strong enough to be in a world where Stark and Richards live in the same city. I also argued he doesn't seem A-tier in the movies. People posted comic book pages and discussed the Spider-Man versus X-Men thing, but I'm behind on my X-Men movies so I won't go there. You seem familiar with the comics, so you know his strength there. I don't, the comics don't appear here and I'm not interested in reading them. A lot of people who watch the show, the movies, ... fall in that category.
See, that is what you don't get from the movies.
I'm not sure what you're arguing about here. Your original point was that Spider-man would get overshadowed by the other heroes and that he isn't that strong. Both wrong, your perception of them doesn't matter. Marvel would keep him as close to his comic strength and intelligence as possible. This entire argument is a giant "what if" that isn't gonna go anywhere though.
In strength only Thor and Hulk out power him. But his speed, spider-sense and webbing would let him go toe-to-toe.
In intelligence he is smarter than Stark, only less focused and driven to really pursue his science career fully.
In strength only Thor and Hulk out power him. But his speed, spider-sense and webbing would let him go toe-to-toe.
In intelligence he is smarter than Stark, only less focused and driven to really pursue his science career fully.
pieatorium
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i have never read a spider man comic everything i've talked about is from the movies and i mention that in my posts
Shouldn't be true considering how sophisticated his tech is. So many heroes being on genius level or close to across both DC and Marvel is really dumb.
He can not go toe to toe with Thor or Hulk and that last line seems like complete comic book bs.
The only heroes stronger than Spidey in the MCU are Thor and the Hulk, this is just going from Amazing Spider-man 2. Also Stark and the FF have their own shit to deal with so to expect them to deal with Sandman robbing a bank when Doom is plotting to kill the world or the Mandarin is holding a Mongolian pride parade at the steps of Stark tower is a tad silly.
There's so much shit going on in a day to day basis in New York that no one hero could fix it all. Just wait till the Netflix shows start and they add Daredevil, Iron Fist and Luke Cage to city. Not to mention the rumored Dr Strange movie.
Anywho i need to catch up with the show before the finale.
I'm pretty sure when Spidey is with these guys, the opposite is protrayed. Show me spidey going one on one with Thor or Hulk or being smarter than Stark when they are together.
pants
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It used to be about half a dozen episodes ago, it's gotten interesting recently though
Shin Johnpv
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Parker is one of the strongest heroes outside of Cosmic Marvel. Hell there was an issue he held up an entire building all by himself. Dude is no joke and can EASILY hang with Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor. (though Thor falls into Cosmic Marvel and is more powerful, he can still hang with him)
Messypandas
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No he was holding up one support beam and was praying that the Bugle didn't fall down around his ears.
From the first Captain America movie speaking about the shield:
Howard Stark: "It's completely vibration absorbent."
That means anyone could've been holding the shield and taken that hit from Thor according to the movies.
Wait...then why did Cap flew away when he got shot by that grenade thing in TWS?
Plot hole?
Love that scene though. Made me go "holy shit!!".
I would find Spider-Man's new strength strange because the previous movies portrayed him as smart, agile and not that strong. He is strong, but not Avengers strong in those movies.
Yep, comics. Not movies. As I said, I don't read comics as do many movie viewers.
I haven't seen that one yet, but he doesn't look that strong in the four others. He seems strong, but not robot suit strong.
So they'll need to find reasons to explain. The movies take place around the same time they're released. The show proves Thor 2 and Captain America 2 are about 6-7 months apart. There are already questions why nobody helps anyone else while they still have the advantage of geographical distance.
In that case we're drawing different conclusions. For instance, Spidey does stop the train, but he can't without his webbing. The Thing holds up the London Eye in the Silver Surfer even when the others aren't helping, The Hulk throws a tank. Both of them would be living in New York. Stark has an army of suits.
Okay. That would still leave people like The Thing and Hulk in this hypothethical movie universe.
Funky Papa
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Vibranium works in the exact, precise way the writers want. Try not to think too much about it.
pieatorium
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he isnt as strong as thor or hulk whatever but that has nothing to do with what started this conversation
the way he has been portrayed in the movies compared to characters from other movies he is above cap, hawkeye, bw, wolverine and most the x men and i would argue loki aswell in a 1on1.
im not arguing anything about who would or could come to help or who is stronger but to say spiderman would be overshadowed based on the movies is i think crazy
The Hermit
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By now we should be all acepting that hes becoming Taskmaster, so yeah, that won't happen.
Trip is very "nice" in all his scenes, Coulson likes him, so I think hes going to die...
Maybe I am watching too much Game of Thrones, lol
Ps: pietorium if you want to talk abou spiderman power, make another topic
No.
Most people in the thread are fine with what the show's doing now. This is just an offshoot of an earlier conversation about the movie rights to other heroes possibly reverting to Marvel.
Jest Chillin
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And since the show operates within the MCU, the conversation is still relevant to AoS anyways.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Thought this may be relevant here.
Jest Chillin
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And while that thread is tailored for MCU discussion, that doesn't make MCU discussion irrelevant for this thread.
MutonCommander
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I'm so glad that the show got renewed, it became really good after TWS. Can't wait for the Netflix series!
Thought this may be relevant here.
I like it.
Lol, this pointless shade.
TheCowboyPoet
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So how long till either Coulson and his team or Carter and her team time travel and team up for a two part crossover "event"?
But not before initially fighting before realizing they're on the same side, of course.
I'm thinking they'll somehow record something for Coulson and his team to help them ala Doctor Who.
Peter is not smarter than Stark. That has been established in many comic resources multiple times.
Yeah even Peter himself has said it, and furthermore we have never seen Spider-Man go toe to toe with the Hulk or Thor. Thor and Hulk can go toe to toe against Juggernaut (regardless of who wins) and Spider-Man was only ever able to beat Juggernaut by tricking him into cement foundation. He was completely outmatched.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=topxx&id=5&pg=8
Last episode sucked!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=topxx&id=5&pg=8
Last episode sucked!
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Alcoremortis
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And neither of them made the top eight smartest people in the world until Leader and MODOK got brain fried.
In Iron Man 3 he solved the problem the girl was working on for many years in his one night drunken conquest to sleep with her.
Thought this may be relevant here.
I like this.
It's pretty funny how the smart guys make fun of Stark for thinking he's the smartest guy in the room though. Happened like two or three times in the last three months of comics.
It's not like she was anywhere near the tier of the real geniuses of the Marvel universe...
The other smart guys just feel threatened by how accomplished and together Tony has his shit.
She was obviously well above average intelligence and there are a handful of people on the scale you are talking about.
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